Ridiculous Map spawns

[HiRezAudio]

Okay, this is now beyond daft.
Map = Wetlands, Wet selected.
I spawn with Tundra to the South of me and Desert to the North of me to the point I would have both Tundra and Desert in the initial City Radius.
How the holy hell is that 'wetlands' please?

Re-roll.
Next map? Nothing but desert to my South.
Sheesh - these are the driest wetlands I have ever seen.....

Re-Roll.
Hurrah. No Desert Spawn, so that'll do.
Let's see how long before I get the first crash, shall we?

 

[Oberinspektor Derrick]

And the point of this topic is...?

 

[HiRezAudio]

That's it.
Ridiculous map spawns.
Have you ever heard of a wetlands with both Tundra & Desert within 3 hexes of each other?
It's a new one on me, and must be a record for the wetlands type - hell, it would be bizarre enough on a regular continents map.

 

[Scrum Lord]

That's it.
Ridiculous map spawns.
Have you ever heard of a wetlands with both Tundra & Desert within 3 hexes of each other?
It's a new one on me, and must be a record for the wetlands type - hell, it would be bizarre enough on a regular continents map.

What size maps are you generating? I ask because the poles in smaller maps are fewer hexes away from each other than the poles on larger maps. That, and desert doesn't always spawn right at the equator, so tundra and desert 3 hexes away isn't that surprising, especially for smaller maps.

The "Wetlands" map type adds rivers and features like marsh, forests, and jungles, but has no effect on terrain generation, as in deserts, grasslands, plains, tundra, and snow. So if you want less desert then try lowering the Temperature map setting. It's called "Wetlands" because the added land features are like increasing the Rainfall option for a continents map (plus you get extra rivers).

 

[Leyrann]

What civ are you playing? Starting biases are a thing. Russia, for example, will almost always start near tundra.

 

[Oberinspektor Derrick]

That's it.
Ridiculous map spawns.
Have you ever heard of a wetlands with both Tundra & Desert within 3 hexes of each other?
It's a new one on me, and must be a record for the wetlands type - hell, it would be bizarre enough on a regular continents map.

If everyone was to make a separate thread whenever they were unhappy with 3 different spawn attempts, there would be nothing but such threads on here.

These things happen, just reroll again if you're unhappy.
RNG is RNG.

 

[Vargas1]

Wetlands does not mean the entire map is going to be covered in wetlands (though that could be an interesting map option itself). It just means on balance, the whole map will have more rivers, marshes, rainforest, etc.

 

[Leucarum]

I installed the real start locations mod from @Zegangani and I have to say... I'm usually getting really interesting starts that are fun to play (see my latest one attached). I'd suggest trying it out. I don't know to quantify how much it is responsible for the more entertaining starts, but a) thanks for making it and b) I'd recommend it.

 

[Saxo Grammaticus]

JNR's Wetlands mod can take the sting out of tundra (if you are feeling it) by generating floodplains and swamps there and elsewhere. I will also second Leucarum's endorsement of Zegangani's Real Start Locations mod for leading to more interesting starts.

 

[HiRezAudio]

What irritates me is things like getting Tundra & Desert within 5 hexes on a Large map.
It's just...wrong.

 

[Leyrann]

What irritates me is things like getting Tundra & Desert within 5 hexes on a Large map.
It's just...wrong.

Deserts don't need to be hot. In fact, it can sometimes be pretty hard to tell apart desert and tundra, for example in western China or Mongolia.

In the technical sense of the word, "desert" in fact just means there's less than a certain amount of yearly rainfall (250 mm, if I remember correctly). Antarctica is usually considered a desert by meteorologists.

 

[HiRezAudio]

Deserts don't need to be hot. In fact, it can sometimes be pretty hard to tell apart desert and tundra, for example in western China or Mongolia.

But not in Civ maps. Which is what I am talking about. I am referring to Tundra at the bottom or top of the map with Desert tiles that spawn Dust Storms within 4 hexes.

In the technical sense of the word, "desert" in fact just means there's less than a certain amount of yearly rainfall (250 mm, if I remember correctly). Antarctica is usually considered a desert by meteorologists.

Which only goes to show how bloody clueless most meteorologists really are, as the yearly snowfall in Antarctica is kinda....wet.
NOT a desert, and claiming this as justification is not really on

 

[Leyrann]

But not in Civ maps.

What's your source for that?

Which only goes to show how bloody clueless most meteorologists really are, as the yearly snowfall in Antarctica is kinda....wet.
NOT a desert, and claiming this as justification is not really on

Oh, you're one of those people who tell the experts how to do their job, got it.

But because I'm in a nice mood, have the Wikipedia article about Antarctica's climate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Antarctica#Precipitation

I quote:

The total precipitation on Antarctica, averaged over the entire continent, is about 166 millimetres (6.5 inches) per year. The actual rates vary widely, from high values over the Peninsula (15 to 25 inches a year) to very low values (as little as 50 millimetres (2.0 inches) in the high interior. Areas that receive less than 250 millimetres (9.8 inches) of precipitation per year are classified as deserts.

The air in Antarctica is also very dry.