[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

AvianBritish said:
Canada would not be last. From a marketing perspective they will announce all of the Civs that will get people to buy or preorder based on their marketability or intrest. Korea and the Netherlands have a huge player base and were announced first. If Canada is due for release they will not leave them last, they will make sure Canadians are aware of their inclusion to preorder. My bet is that Mongolia will be the last Civ announced and the alt leader will be the week after. (Just like Russia then Gorgo)

The fact that we knew Korea and Mongolia will be in this expansion means they will hit off with one of them was also no surprise and turned out true. And the fact Korea has such a huge player base compared to Mongolia which I cannot imagine is that big (sorry if I am sterotyping) I would imagine that Mongolia will be the nice tidy reassurance on the end.

The fact that for the base game they started of with the 2 biggest markets; United States/America and the United Kingdom/England followed by Japan, China, France then Brazil with the occasional "reasurances" of Egypt inserted (also because Cleopatra as the first leader we had confirmation of so there was no reason to continue to hide her), Scythia for "newness reassurance" and then Germany for Gamescom(?) and then trailing off to eventually end up at Russia then "Surprise Gorgo".

Reading into it, I don't think Mongolia will definitely be last, but I do think it will be a Civ that is not hugely marketable on nationally alone.

(In otherwords, Canada won't be last; if they are to be included they will either be next or the one after or not at all.)
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I do wonder what percentage of players really like playing as their own country (and that being a motivator towards purchase) vs are mainly interested in the game mechanics and civs based on other factors (historical importance, interest, civ standards, etc.). I'm in the later category, but that's probably the case for a lot people on these boards. A significant amount of the broader gaming community is presumably in the former. I wonder if we will eventually have the top 20 of this list:
https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-100-countries-by-game-revenues/ (though I think said list might be skewed by phone game revenues a decent bit)

It may be a factor in the more 'creative' leader choices as well - in that their hands are fairly tied about what countries are in (i.e. a lot slots are taken by market share requirements as well as standard and historical requirements) so they have to shake up the leaders to help keep the game feel fresh and pull in interest from that vector.
 
bbbt said:
I do wonder what percentage of players really like playing as their own country (and that being a motivator towards purchase) vs are mainly interested in the game mechanics and civs based on other factors (historical importance, interest, civ standards, etc.). I'm in the later category, but that's probably the case for a lot people on these boards. A significant amount of the broader gaming community is presumably in the former. I wonder if we will eventually have the top 20 of this list:
https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-100-countries-by-game-revenues/ (though I think said list might be skewed by phone game revenues a decent bit)

It may be a factor in the more 'creative' leader choices as well - in that their hands are fairly tied about what countries are in (i.e. a lot slots are taken by market share requirements as well as standard and historical requirements) so they have to shake up the leaders to help keep the game feel fresh and pull in interest from that vector.
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I'm definitely in the later category as well. I'm a history geek who happens to live in the U.S. that prefers European history especially classical era Greece and Rome as well as East Asia after taking a course over it in college. That being said I have played as America but gameplay wise I find many others more enjoyable and that peak my interests more. I also agree that many people here do not limit themselves to their own country, if able.
P.S. Ironically my favorite part about American History, and even Texas History, in school has always been learning about the Native Americans.
 
bbbt said:
I do wonder what percentage of players really like playing as their own country (and that being a motivator towards purchase) vs are mainly interested in the game mechanics and civs based on other factors (historical importance, interest, civ standards, etc.). I'm in the later category, but that's probably the case for a lot people on these boards. A significant amount of the broader gaming community is presumably in the former. I wonder if we will eventually have the top 20 of this list:
https://newzoo.com/insights/rankings/top-100-countries-by-game-revenues/ (though I think said list might be skewed by phone game revenues a decent bit)
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I admit when I first starting playing Civ games back in Civ2 days I mostly played as America. But it was different back then since all the Civs had the same mechanics, there were no bonuses for particular civs, so I figured I may as well play as the Americans. Plus I like the city names better. :) But the last 2 civ games in particular I haven't cared for the American bonuses. Even Civ4 Americans weren't that great, I preferred Elizabeth in Civ4 because that financial was just so powerful.

I'd say that's a good thing about Civ6, the civ unique abilities, units, and improvements are interesting enough that I've played every civ at least part way through a game. And I'm having fun trying out the different abilities and making them work to my advantage.
 
bbbt said:
I do wonder what percentage of players really like playing as their own country (and that being a motivator towards purchase) vs are mainly interested in the game mechanics and civs based on other factors (historical importance, interest, civ standards, etc.). I'm in the later category, but that's probably the case for a lot people on these boards. A significant amount of the broader gaming community is presumably in the former.
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I'm not sure if playing their own country is actually an attractive thing. BUT, having some country in makes the game appear in local media, which is a significant part of advertizement. See the Dutch TV presenting netherlands, Polish game magazine coming with Civ on its cover and so on.
 
Don't forget that there's some civ players who long to play against their own country. Why? There's many reasons, including the ability to hear what their own leader say.

That does not make one unpatriotic at all.

Yes, one can play as his/her own country and play against a duplicate of that country.
 
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Xefjord said:
So my next question is; with the Netherlands and Korea out of the way, who is next? I think Mongolia is pretty sure confirmed, but any other civ is still kind of up in the air as to what it could be, right?
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I hope it's not an obvious one like Mongolia.

I'm fairly confident one slot will be reserved for a NA native tribe. To that end, I'd like to know which tribe they decided to go with.

Same scenario with a potential new African civ. Who would they go with? Mali? Ethiopia? Swahili?

I want to see civs from regions that have multiple candidates.
 
Xefjord said:
So my next question is; with the Netherlands and Korea out of the way, who is next? I think Mongolia is pretty sure confirmed, but any other civ is still kind of up in the air as to what it could be, right?
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Mongolia is nearly confirmed.
Incas are expected due to their wonder
Portugal is guessed based on the sailing part of the trailer, but it could be another Netherlands hint as well.

I don't think we have any other strong clues, however:
The plague scene of the trailer could belong to Netherlands, but could be also Italy, Venice, etc.
In the scene of Mongols attacking stone walls we see some archers, which could be another hint.
 
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I'd say the first three civs that were going to be revealed were put in an obvious position in the trailer. The other civilizations, I think, they want to be surprises, and thus didn't hint at in the trailer, or hinted more subtly in the trailer.
 
chronoturner said:
I'd say the first three civs that were going to be revealed were put in an obvious position in the trailer. The other civilizations, I think, they want to be surprises, and thus didn't hint at in the trailer, or hinted more subtly in the trailer.
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Yes, that's what they usually do. So, "Sid Meier leads Genghis in Rise and Fall Civilization: Mongols" or something like this next week.
 
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I will put my bets on:

1. Korea
2. Netherlands
3. Canada or NA tribe
4. Ottomans
5. Portugal
6. Mali
7. Inca or Maya
8. Mongolia
9. Isabella of Spain or Constantine of Rome or Bismark of Germany.
 
okay, so that does mean we have to hope we don't get canada now.
 
1. Korea
2. Netherlands
3. Canada or NA tribe
4. Ottomans
5. Portugal
6. Mali
7. Inca or Maya
8. Mongolia
9. Isabella of Spain or Constantine of Rome or Bismark of Germany.
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These are good choices to put your bets on. I think there's a high chance every one will be in there (we already know about 1 and 2). And I would be happy with this list myself.

I could also see France, Egypt, or India getting the second leader as well.
 
If the wonder Kilwa Kisiwani is an indicator of a civ, Kilwa Sultanate is possible to be in this expansion, eliminating the chance for a Swahili civ and possible removal of Zanzibar as a city state.

Edit: Swahili and Kilwa can be considered as one civ?

Kilwa sultanate fits also in the rise and fall theme, if we are to look at this Wikipedia reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilwa_Sultanate#Decline_and_Fall

Possible leader (found a Civ V mod by JFD: http://civilization-v-customisation.wikia.com/wiki/Kilwa_(Ali_ibn_al-Hassan)
 
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sonicmyst said:
If the wonder Kilwa Kisiwani is an indicator of a civ, Kilwa Sultanate is possible to be in this expansion, eliminating the chance for a Swahili civ and possible removal of Zanzibar as a city state.

Kilwa sultanate fits also in the rise and fall theme, if we are to look at this Wikipedia reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilwa_Sultanate#Decline_and_Fall
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they could put emir muhammad kiwabi as a leader with a governor bonus since he was a governor that took power and became sultan, that would be amazing
 
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