RK-06: SGOTM3 Practice (Warlords)

[GreyFox]

What RK said ... the point we are not discussing strategy in this practice SG ...

I agree discussing is a lot more important than just raing through the game ... but this is a practice game. I don't think RK even plan to finish it. The idea is to get some experience on how a crowded 17 civs on a standard map (thank god its not tiny or duel!) would open up strategy avenues that are different of your other typical games.

When you have time to play, just log on, check to see if anyone is playing, and then post a got it, and off you go to play. Why would a 3 hrs from-got-it-to-report rule deter anyone from playing unless in the first place he/she is not very interested in / enthusiastic about this game?

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[Meatbuster]

I'm keeping a text file of the other "Secret Plans" in a text file offline. As for the strategy/observations already on the thread, consider it as my gift to the "competition".

Hey Greyfox, didn't realize you lived in Singapore so we're almost on the same time zone.

And finally, game ends on December 1 whether we finish it or not, so we can start on the actual SGOTM.

 

[Cosmichail]

just one comment:

Well I just think if someone is pressured for 3 hour turnaround it might be less interesting. What if they got it and 2 days nothing too which isn't desired either oh well let's just play and like you say I am sure the players will play. Playing isn't so hard it's writing/typing the report which we don't have to do.

 

[GreyFox]

Hey Greyfox, didn't realize you lived in Singapore so we're almost on the same time zone.

Why did you think I b!tched about the swap-me-up-at-1AM-and-bump-me-at-10AM episode? I used to put my location as "Singapore", but figured most playersI played with knew that by now, so I replaced it with something more fitting to my avatar.

@Cosmic: so, is that a got-it? ... nah, just kidding, I know it's not.

 

[Meatbuster]

So who's going to pick up!?
I'm so desperate, I'm even allowing Greyfox to pick up. (hint hint)

 

[Cosmichail]

How's this Robo Kai "got it" playing now........

 

[GreyFox]

First of all, forgive the grumpy greyfox, but:

- any reason why my recommendation of having the scout meet up with the galley was blatantly ignored?

- why is rostov more important than the iron-elephant city? Even if the player feel that it is important to establish a city in the southern island to gain us a foothold instead of conceding it to Cyrus, I would have moved rostov east to claim the rice iron site, instead of the 3 food resources site.

Enough of being grumpy:

We are deemed one of the most advanced among the 18 civs ...

That's great!

Afterwhich is a series of uncovering who are among the 17 rivals:

First Louis:

Traded to get montheism for OR, which I revolted:

Then Sally:

And ... *drumroll* ... Izzy, who hated us to her guts (if she got one) even before we met her:

Traded for polythesim in our push for Literature (TGL):

Met KK ... no wait, they have a faceoff, this face now belongs to QSH:

And then I meet the strangest person of all ....

Hmm ... shouldn't it be the salad man instead? AC wasn't in Vanilla Civ, so he shouldn't be in SGOTM3.

I obliged to GK:

met HC:

and this is the reason why I recommended scout to be loaded on the galley ... well, they go our chance of popping CoL ...

Rostov is not producing any culture, but here comes the resuce. The axe to the east is to go kill the hut protector.

Settler ready: I still recommend the iron-phant city .. we need the ivory, and we need the WE, and we need iron. There is a seafood resource for decent growth ... don't understand why the previous player think it is an unworthy site. But wait for the archer to be produced before heading off, or better still, you can pull an archer from St Pete.

Notice my trend of diplomatic strategy is to follow a simply rule: oblige to our taoist brothers, and say nay to those who are annoyed with us already.

>>> The Save 50AD <<<

Spoiler autlog :

BTW, anybody knows how to add custom log entries (i.e. user comments) to the autolog file for the HoF mod?

Turn 150 (250 BC)

Turn 151 (235 BC)
Novgorod grows: 3

Turn 152 (220 BC)
Contact made: French Empire
Tech learned: Polytheism
Moscow's borders expand
Novgorod finishes: Granary
Axeman defeats (4.55/5): Barbarian Warrior

Turn 153 (205 BC)
Novgorod begins: Axeman
Tech learned: Metal Casting
Contact made: Arabian Empire
Contact made: Spanish Empire

Turn 154 (190 BC)
Research begun: Literature
St. Petersburg grows: 7
St. Petersburg finishes: Axeman

Turn 155 (175 BC)
Tech learned: Monotheism
St. Petersburg begins: Settler

Turn 156 (160 BC)
Tech learned: Calendar
Moscow finishes: Taoist Monastery

Turn 157 (145 BC)
Moscow begins: Taoist Missionary

Turn 158 (130 BC)
Taoism has spread: Karakorum (Mongolian Empire)

Turn 159 (115 BC)
Contact made: Chinese Empire

Turn 160 (100 BC)
Contact made: Roman Empire
Tech learned: Literature

Turn 161 (85 BC)
Research begun: Construction

Turn 162 (70 BC)
Novgorod finishes: Axeman
Rostov finishes: Worker

Turn 163 (55 BC)
Novgorod begins: Forge
Rostov begins: Theatre
Moscow grows: 7

Turn 164 (40 BC)

Turn 165 (25 BC)
Contact made: Incan Empire

Turn 166 (10 BC)
Rosalind Franklin (Great Scientist) born in Moscow

Turn 167 (5 AD)
Moscow finishes: Taoist Missionary
St. Petersburg finishes: Settler

Turn 168 (20 AD)
Moscow begins: Forge
St. Petersburg begins: The Great Library
Moscow begins: Archer

Turn 169 (35 AD)
St. Petersburg finishes: Academy

Turn 170 (50 AD)

 

[GreyFox]

Sorry cosmic ... I preempted you!

I knew I should have posted a got-it ... I hope you are not playing right now!

:sorry:

 

[Cosmichail]

I just played but that's ok don't worry about it.
Also:

- why is rostov more important than the iron-elephant city? Even if the player feel that it is important to establish a city in the southern island to gain us a foothold instead of conceding it to Cyrus, I would have moved rostov east to claim the rice iron site, instead of the 3 food resources site.

I so agree why didn't we settle on the iron/phant island???

Again doing good tech wise. I would play from your save but have to go now.

Gave me a chance to use autologger since I don't use it much. We did the same play getting another settler but I went for COL however was he haw and humming on construction.

 

[Meatbuster]

Sorry I didn't understand the scout-galley thing. I thought the scout was was to explore the island.

And as for Rostov, well...
1. consider it a from me
2. I didn't think the phant site was too good immediately because it was full of jungle and we don't have enough extra workers
3. maybe I overestimated automatic relgious spread
4. finally I didn't think we didn't immediately needed iron since we had bronze

 

[GreyFox]

Hmmm ... CoL might be better ... it's just the warmonger in me that chooses construction ... since I was aiming for the iron-phant site.

Don't worry about , this is a practice game afterall.

 

[Cosmichail]

Yeah wait and see what happens if you smoke in the official SGOTM. Make you do Russians dance for 24 hours and eat caviar. Hey that aint so bad if there is some of those nice blonde Russian babes too and some Vodka. Nice eastern European food and that would be perfect.

Next day find yourself in Siberia. (but with global warming probably not so bad there anymore like Canadian Arctic) Been as far north as Churchill, Manitoba where the polar bears run free and people eat Bear and Moose meat. mmmmm Good......

 

[GreyFox]

That will be real bad for tropical squatters like us ... the coldest place i have been to is only Minneapolis in march I think ... (granted been to more northern places like Vancouver/Montreal, but those were in the summers).

 

[Meatbuster]

Coldest place I've been to is... Shanghai.

 

[Cosmichail]

@Greyfox Minneapolis can be pretty cold in March very much like a Canadian winter, although Montreal can be brutal too. Vancouver rarely gets a lot of snow and tends to be mild.

Coldest spot in Canada is Winnipeg. Corner of Portage and Main they have tracked windchills there as low as -60 or something crazy like that. But we don't get them as bad anymore like today here in November its 12 celcius which is unusually mild for here. (normally start to have snow by now and averages of -1 to -5 celcius.) Next week supposed to go to 17 celcius which is just bizarre. Ok now tell me global warming isn't kicking in.

@Just to give you an idea Shanghai is 10N and we are 43N and it's just as warm here as there. Personally I prefer the colder weather feels more Canadian.

Ok sorry to be off topic but just wanted to carry on the conversation of the coldest visit. So who's going to grab it now.

BTW the SGOTM thread is open.

 

[Meatbuster]

Fine, got it and I hope I don't mess up again. Heh heh heh.
Playing/reporting in 3 hours.

 

[Meatbuster]

Ok, that took a while. I did say in 3 hours, but as you may know the forum underwent some... downtime.

Turn 172:
Research: construction -> Compass

Turn 173:
Meet the technologically backward Mansa Musa.
Trade his Currency for Monarchy + Literature

Turn 175:
Yaroslavl' established at Crab+Elephants site

Turn 176:
Spread Taoism to Yaroslavl' (note: I moved the Taoist Missionary from Rostov to it)
Sell Drama to as many civs as possible (doesn't get worst enemy modifier with Taoist allies)
Trade Mansa Drama + 540 gold for Code of Laws

Turn 178:
Rostov: Theater -> Work Boat
Meet the technologically backwards Washington
Sell Polytheism to Washington (forgot how much)

Turn 179:
Research: Compass -> Civil Service
I think we should hang on to Compass since +50% from trade routes is powerful.
Moscow: delay Worker -> Harbor

Turn 180:
Whip Harbor in Moscow

Turn 181:
Moscow: Harbor -> Research

Turn 181:
Moscow: Research -> Granary
Open Borders with Genghis

Turn 182:
Mocow: Granary -> Resrarch
Open Borders with Saladin

Turn 183:
Moscow: Research -> Worker

Turn 184:
Moscow: Worker -> Forge

Turn 188:
Novgorod: Forge -> Colossus

Turn 189:
Genghis builds Hanging Gardens
Trade Cyrus' Silk for our extra Gems

ETA:
Colossus: 13 turns
Great Lib: 30 turns
Forge in Moscow: 23 turns
Civil Service: 2 turns

Notes:
*Cyrus is willing to trade Feudalism, but for the losing deal of Philo + (our) 250 gold. Didn't go through with it. Cyrus also has 490 gold but we have nothing good to sell him (he doesn't have Compass but I'm not doing that).
*No one has Philosophy except us. No one has Compass except us and Victoria.
*We should probably sell Construction to Genghis to improve relations as well as get his gold.
*We have 292 gold, going 90% research and -14gpt.
*I think we should send Alex, GK and Cyrus some missionaries. Alex is especially in danger of converting out of Taoism since he only has 1 city with the Tao in it.

 

[remconius]

Got it!

Playing now, post within the next hours!

 

[remconius]

Turn 191 (365 AD)
Tech learned: Civil Service
Rostov finishes: Granary

Turn 192 (380 AD)
Research begun: Paper
Rostov begins: Lighthouse

Turn 193 (395 AD)
St. Petersburg grows: 9

Turn 194 (410 AD)
Tech learned: Feudalism
Moscow grows: 7
Rostov grows: 3

Turn 195 (425 AD)
Yaroslavl' finishes: Granary
Taoism has spread: Niani (Malinese Empire)

Turn 196 (440 AD)
Yaroslavl' begins: Harbor

Turn 197 (455 AD)

Turn 198 (470 AD)
St. Petersburg begins: Harbor
Remconius bah miss GL
Moscow grows: 8

Turn 199 (485 AD)
Novgorod finishes: The Colossus

Turn 200 (500 AD)
Novgorod begins: Harbor
Tech learned: Paper
St. Petersburg grows: 10
Yaroslavl' grows: 2

Turn 201 (515 AD)
Research begun: Education
Moscow grows: 9
Rostov grows: 4

Turn 202 (530 AD)
Christianity has spread: Rostov

Turn 203 (545 AD)
Yaroslavl' begins: Work Boat
St. Petersburg finishes: Harbor
Novgorod grows: 6

Turn 204 (560 AD)
St. Petersburg begins: Granary
Moscow finishes: Forge
Rostov grows: 5

Turn 205 (575 AD)
Moscow begins: Lighthouse
Moscow begins: Settler
Novgorod begins: Longbowman
Novgorod begins: Longbowman
St. Petersburg finishes: Granary
Novgorod finishes: Harbor
Rostov finishes: Lighthouse
Yaroslavl' finishes: Work Boat

Turn 206 (590 AD)
St. Petersburg begins: Longbowman
Rostov begins: Longbowman
Rostov grows: 5

Turn 207 (605 AD)
Moscow begins: Longbowman
Moscow grows: 8
Moscow finishes: Settler
St. Petersburg grows: 10

Turn 208 (620 AD)
Tech learned: Machinery
Moscow finishes: Longbowman
Rostov grows: 6
Yaroslavl' grows: 2

Turn 209 (635 AD)
Moscow begins: Longbowman
Tech learned: Music

Turn 210 (650 AD)

Builders turnset.
Completed Colossus missed Great Library .
Built settler to found more cities.
Got more cash (2K on the bank )

And the save:
View attachment 143128

 

[Meatbuster]

I got it and I will try to push this game even more. Playing now.