Rock and Roll, Hollywood, and Broadway?

[irishlamma]

Yeah, Elvis Presley was 1st rock and roll artist.

elvis should be shot
the blues is were rock started back with robert johnson and all those legends

 

[Louis XXIV]

The one thing to keep in mind about Broadway is its significance was more important earlier in history. Don't just look at modern Broadway and assume that's all its importance.

 

[Louis XXIV]

elvis should be shot
the blues is were rock started back with robert johnson and all those legends

To go on the other side of the argument I said previously, Rock and Roll originates from more than jazz and blues as well. But Robert Johnson was important for some groups (Eric Clapton of Cream definately admits to being inspired by Robert Johnson, and the song "Crossroads" is a cover of Johnson's "Crossroad Blues").

 

[LostKing]

They should replace Rock and Roll with Anime, and Broadway with Civ 4.

 

[Akka]

Same I said before : Wonder are supposed to be outstanding achievements or accomplishments from a civilization. They are supposed to be awesome, inspiring and strikening.

Hollywood has an enormous influence element, can't be denied. But it's not really an accomplishment, nor something which make people proud/awestruck ; rather, it's just something which is popular. While most wonder require a concentrated effort of the civilization (or at least the elite of it), Hollywood is just an amalgam of movie companies making money. Not really the definition of a wonder. At best it's a very mediocre wonder, and still it's the "best" of the three.

The other two are simply laughable : Rock'n'roll is just a music genre. Nothing to do with accomplishments, nor effort, nor awesomeness. It's a popular trend, and I fail to see how popular trends are wonders - or else, you would require a wonder for each music genre that was popular
Broadway is ridiculous, plain and simple. It's not even that famous, it accomplished nothing, and it's nothing close to even impressive, much less wonderful.

To sum up : they suck. Big time.

 

[Cyberstar]

The wonder of Hollywood can be debated all day long. For all it's greatness (read Lord of the Rings), it's filled with much more trash that one might consider cultural pollution. Rock and Roll, though also great, is tainted in many ways too. Hence, I would hesitate to call something that has such a mixture of good/bad values a genuine Wonder. Credit cards are another American wonder. How would they affect the game. Why couldn't we trade with another civ on credit?

I haven't read anything anywhere about adding other great wonders such as sports. While not so big in the US, soccer is massive around the world. Even baseball or football could have filled the billed for cultural wonders.

 

[TerraHero]

A new type of wonder, dun sound bad. Also the export of stuff is interesting. But i really cant get ahead of facts untill i actually played it myself so i'm saving my vote till i have.

 

[Snoopy]

The reason Rock and Roll is in is because some of the Firaxians love Elvis; I thought you all knew that by now.

Where is Graceland anyway?

 

[dannyevilcat]

I really like the concept of wonders creating exportable goods, so I give thumbs up to Hollywood, and even Broadway... but Rock n' Roll? That's not even a place, how can it be constructed? I would have expected Firaxis to at least have named it Graceland (not that Graceland should be considered a wonder, but at least it's a location)

 

[Mrdie]

The other two are simply laughable : Rock'n'roll is just a music genre. Nothing to do with accomplishments, nor effort, nor awesomeness. It's a popular trend, and I fail to see how popular trends are wonders - or else, you would require a wonder for each music genre that was popular.

"We have just gotten news that Civ V will feature a whole new wonder! The Emo wonder! When built, a random Leader will slit his wrist and that Civilization will end! However, there are two cons with this, every round a citizen will automaticly die from suicide and your culture will be decreased."

Anyway, I like the idea of the new luxurys, but "Rock & Roll" is just...what will it look like in Civ IV?

 

[Jecrell]

Rock and Roll is an absolute wonder (the people who doubt that are the people who don't like it and/or want to generalize it to "Music", plain and simple).

Broadway is no where near a wonder, but Hollywood, damn, now that's a wonder.

 

[holy king]

its just three wonders that stand for culture export...
(and all three create luxuries that can be exported)
the fact that all three are american achievements is a bit unlucky of course, although i couldnt think of another MODERN wonder that could match those three... maybe change broadway to... bollywood? japanese horror films? swedish porn? i dont know...

the only idea i can come up now would be to erase broadway and substitute it by an ancient wonder "greek plays"... but i dont know how much that would affect gameplay...

 

[Red Door]

The reason Rock and Roll is in is because some of the Firaxians love Elvis; I thought you all knew that by now.

Where is Graceland anyway?

Graceland is in Memphis, Tennessee.
It sucks.

 

[Bluetooth]

I can't say I’m excited, but they’re OK.

 

[GaryWins]

The wonder of Hollywood can be debated all day long. For all it's greatness (read Lord of the Rings), it's filled with much more trash that one might consider cultural pollution. Rock and Roll, though also great, is tainted in many ways too. Hence, I would hesitate to call something that has such a mixture of good/bad values a genuine Wonder. Credit cards are another American wonder. How would they affect the game. Why couldn't we trade with another civ on credit?

I haven't read anything anywhere about adding other great wonders such as sports. While not so big in the US, soccer is massive around the world. Even baseball or football could have filled the billed for cultural wonders.

True.
What about Organized Sports? The Olympic Games (Modern or ancient wonder?) That kind of thing....

 

[Akka]

Olympic Games would be much, much better than anything of these three.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Same I said before : Wonder are supposed to be outstanding achievements or accomplishments from a civilization. They are supposed to be awesome, inspiring and strikening.

Hollywood has an enormous influence element, can't be denied. But it's not really an accomplishment, nor something which make people proud/awestruck ; rather, it's just something which is popular. While most wonder require a concentrated effort of the civilization (or at least the elite of it), Hollywood is just an amalgam of movie companies making money. Not really the definition of a wonder. At best it's a very mediocre wonder, and still it's the "best" of the three.

Its sort of like a modern Shakespear's Theater. The theater itself probably isn't all the spectacular.

 

[Obark]

I don't like them.

They are simply not wonders.
Rock'n roll is just a genre of music. Or should we also add techno and barocco ?

Broadway... Uhh well I don't know what the people at Firaxis smoked when they came with this but that's ridiculous

 

[MRM]

I don't like them either - at least not as wonders, because they don't really fit this category. The original wonders are all buildings - they where planed as great monuments and where not made for buisness - so I can not see how they fit here

Especially Rock'n Roll is IMO to overrepesented. As far as I have seen it's not only a wounder, Elvis is one of the great artist too - have they cloned him so they could use him twice ?

Braodway - haven't seen any large impact yet - for me it's a theater like many other in the world too. - they could have used Moulin Rouge instead

IMO it would be better to add a feature for generated luxuries ( but without calloing them "wonders" ) - and then I would add something like olympic games, silk etc - + let them expire somewhen - because that are only fashions

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I am fine with Hollywood for ist massive global influence.
Rock and Roll and the Broadway are not that important. R´n´R is just one of many music styles and musicals a cheap/ tuned down substitute for operas.

I would like to see some kind of sports (Olympic games as mantioned) represented as cultural resource, maybe also operas (imo high art in perfection - and also common in different cultures).