Role Play Challenge: Charlemange the Blessed

[madscientist]

Long time lurker reporting in. Great game so far, really enjoying it. I've been a fan of your RPC's for a long while. Could you show us the % of Christians, maybe? Can't help you with advice, though, this is way beyond my skill level.




Edit: In fact, wouldn't it make sense to make a home-made victory condition? E.g. if x % of the world is Christian, you've won. Not as good as a 'real' victory condition, I guess, but still. Such a shame the AP is Hindu.

Thanks for following teh RPC's!

Last I saw it was 50%. Now almost every city has christianity except for Gandhi and I am working on that. So I can say every city will be christian. I think we need some other victory condition to determine that we got a "WIN" although converting the world to the true faith even if we get eliminated should be somewhat satisfactory to Charles!!!

 

[madscientist]

If I remember corectly AI count his vassels relationship aswell as his own towards other. And since his vassals are anoyed and furious with you isent there a big risk he will attak you very soon?

That is a problem. Mao and Gandhi detest GK just as much though, and he's easier pickings.

SO I need to spam missionaries to Gandhi and bribe him, then use a spy to force convert Mao for diplo points.

 

[CivCorpse]

Cultural win's are a No-No. Tsk Tsk Tsk. Shame on you mad. You must win by diplomacy. To do that you need land. Shaka has land. So does Justinian. The trick is to get that land. I would start with Justanian. Do NOT ask shaka to join in. Justanian will capitulate to him with lightnening speed. Once you have his lands.....Insert that shiny steel thingy into the broad and oh so unsuspecting back of GK. Yes he is a Christian on the surface...but deep down he is 100% heathen.
If you can get cereal mills (no sushi since you have little seafood) then spread it and get your population base higher.

 

[madscientist]

Damn you are annoying CivCorpse But you are correct, as I went through all the rules and there is NOTHING in there preventing me from attacking a brother christian!!!

I will consider this for a day, as it just does not seam right. However, the rules are the rules. We have gotten ourselves into a pickle!!!

 

[CivCorpse]

Damn you are annoying CivCorpse But you are correct, as I went through all the rules and there is NOTHING in there preventing me from attacking a brother christian!!!

I will consider this for a day, as it just does not seam right. However, the rules are the rules. We have gotten ourselves into a pickle!!!

I am glad I could be of enlightenment. I hope my little ray of sunshine has brought happiness to you. Space Race and Cultural didn't seem like viable options anyway. It is only a matter of time before Shaka DoW on you or Khan or Justinian. Then yer done. Because even if it is khan or justinian he attacks...you know they are going to turn to you for help. And you MUST help your christian brothers. So then you get the ever pleasant task of DoW on Shaka. May god have mercy on your soul.

 

[NintendoTogepi]

I would restart the game.

This game just didn't seem like it was good enough for the "spirit" of Charlemagne....you got dealt bad leaders. I'd try it again and beeline the AP diplo victory ASAP.

 

[madscientist]

I am glad I could be of enlightenment. I hope my little ray of sunshine has brought happiness to you. Space Race and Cultural didn't seem like viable options anyway. It is only a matter of time before Shaka DoW on you or Khan or Justinian. Then yer done. Because even if it is khan or justinian he attacks...you know they are going to turn to you for help. And you MUST help your christian brothers. So then you get the ever pleasant task of DoW on Shaka. May god have mercy on your soul.

Unless Shaka changes religions, we cannot DoW on Shaka (That is in the rules I believe.)

I am not one to give up, so I will play this out.

 

[BalbanesBeoulve]

Originally Posted by Orzio View Post
If I remember corectly AI count his vassels relationship aswell as his own towards other. And since his vassals are anoyed and furious with you isent there a big risk he will attak you very soon?

That is a problem. Mao and Gandhi detest GK just as much though, and he's easier pickings.

SO I need to spam missionaries to Gandhi and bribe him, then use a spy to force convert Mao for diplo points.

No, it doesn't work that way. Mao and Ghandi's opinions have absolutely no bearing on what Shaka will do. Only Shaka's opinion of you matters on whether he'll attack you or not. The vassals are only taken into account in regards to what other civs think of Shaka. So if Genghis or Justinian hate mao and Ghandi but are friendly with Shaka , then they could still be bribed to attack Shaka (though i'm sure they're afraid of his military might in this game).



Definitely don't give up. This game is still winnable. Get the UN and take out your "brothers."

 

[madscientist]

Well, actually the game is unwinable although I made a run at it and came pretty close to an AP win.

What we forgot, or I forgot. I am home to the home to the AP by capturing Bejing and even though it is Hindu and we are Christian, we get to vote in matters!!!! And we came pretty close to voting ourselves a diplo victory. Unfortunately, Shaka sided with Mao in the Vote and ended up declaring war on us later. I mean BIG TIME. I even restarted from the last save and forced Mao into Christianity to block his AP access, but to no avail, Shaka hit us before the vote came up, and without his AP vote support we cannot win.

So it is a loss!

On the Bright side, We got every city to have Christianity, so we got a moral if hot real victory!!!!

I'll post the unhappy recap!

I think I will retry the RPC again, with a different map and slightly different rules. I think the problem is that these Pangea maps are great for the war-monger, but looking for a different victory condition is not easy.

 

[madscientist]

Charlemagne the Blessed: Part V and Finale

Well, we made a sincere try at this, but it was not meant to be.

Techpath we went after PP/RP/rifling which we never finished.

Soon after we started the segment, we discovered

That we can still vote on AP matters!!!!

Unfortunetaly,

Shaka is not voting for us. In fact, the entire segment we watched Shaka remain pleased with us, all the way through becoming cautious onc ehe adopted Free Religion.

We settled several cities to work on the population, but Shaka's not about to wait until Mass Media to take care of us. Soon he had enough on his hands!!!

We adopted a defensive pact with Justinian, but did that deter old Shaka.

Nope. We were simply overwhelmed, lost cities early. The AP was going to fall back to Mao (Shaka and Mao had rifles/cavalry to our muskets), and critical cities were going to be lost.

We conceded the game here. Shaka is just too powerful.

I thought we played a good game even with the loss. All the world was Christian, so that counts for something!!! Pangea maps are too war-mongering to play this style of game.

So I will post a new start again. One more time we will try, for better or worse. Different map, a few changes. Maybe leverage the UB a little more!!!

 

[grandad1982]

Bad luck mad.

My theory is you get all exited with your new RPC's and need a bedding down period! Its a bit of an learning process - you go away and come back with a new insight into how the game can be won. This makes your loses as good as your wins IMO.

Can't wait for your summery and the replay - I've got a couple of days of next week so I need some new reading material!

Edit. You got your summery up before I posted!

 

[madscientist]

Three classic failed RPCs were

Shaka's Culture I
Mao I
Charlemagne I

And all three had something in common. Non-war-mongering games that started on a Pangea map.

Note to oneself, limit the Pangea's to something like Al's God of War, or Asoka amongst teh war-mongers.

 

[CivCorpse]

Don't forget, good ole pete the wannabe spy

 

[paydro]

Didn't Al fail a few times too?

To me the map isn't the problem... Shaka just got off to a great start and crushed his way to victory. You could potentially have won if Shaka were even a little less powerful, I suppose you helped him too much at the start.

Anyway, good luck on round 2, I look forward to following.

 

[Commodore Nate]

That's too bad! But I can't wait until the next installment.

 

[madscientist]

Don't forget, good ole pete the wannabe spy

Although Pete was a Big/Little map I believe.

 

[madscientist]

Didn't Al fail a few times too?

To me the map isn't the problem... Shaka just got off to a great start and crushed his way to victory. You could potentially have won if Shaka were even a little less powerful, I suppose you helped him too much at the start.

Anyway, good luck on round 2, I look forward to following.

Yes, Al failed the first time because always war was too difficult to play. The second failure was the game accidently went to emperor difficulty even though we ended up with a continents maps.

The problem with Pangea maps is that they allow the more agressie AIs to run away with the game, as happened here, as we did with Al, or Asoka long before the modern era arises.

I am not complaining much here, but it's an observation. So the bttom line is any game where we want war or a military victory, Pangea seams the best option. Any type where we want any type of peaceful game Pangea is a nono!