Role Play Challenge: Pericles, Greek God of Peace

[Sleepless]

Looking forward to this one as well. Victory choice I think Culture, after Al the God of War just seems right.

You will be limited to 2 cathederals per culture city, so that is something to take into consideration. I'm going to try it anyway.

Good luck.

 

[bestje]

i'd like to see a culture game won at this level with so few cities
but either way, good luck

 

[BARBEERIAN]

OK, about settling inplace versus the floodplains.

Both have fresh water.

Both give us 2 floodplains to work, as bets we can see.

Both give us the two resoruces.

Both give us 2 hills to work although settling in place may give us an extra hammer if we are on a plains hill which I did not check.

So the big choice is this

The computer usually is reliable in the best settle point at the start, it knows something we do not.

Moving would get us the levees and at least 6 extra hammers.

There may be extra seafood to the west which we will claim for health if we move, but would be outside the BFC. Also to the east could be better workable land which our scout can evaluate before we commit.

But I think the BIG decision is, Which victory condition do we think we are going to go after? Levees are very important for the space race since we would be limited to 6 cities and thus tech slower. OR Cultural where I thing I would take the chance for more seafood in the BFC to run artists (remember the ODEAN allows us to run 2).

My feeling is that a culture win is more in line with the Greek Civilization, leads to less pollution, and more befitting for a God of Peace.

So unless we find something tasty to the east, I am thinking of settling in place and sacrificing the levee option.

I'd go cultural with Pericles, he's just an absolute monster for culture vics and I think it's a more fitting victory for Greece than Space or Diplo. You can start crapping out GA's very early and in large quantities with cheap Theatres and Odeons from CRE. Libraries and Universities are also cheap for Pericles so your research will do well for a small empire and you can get OXU running more quickly. They also provide some extra culture as well (every bit counts).

Basically I'd settle the vast majority of my GA's (only start bombing when you're beginning the home stretch of the culture vic) in whichever of the three cities is lowest in /turn at that point. Those settled GA's give a huge boost to /turn which is multiplied my cathedrals, etc. Research to Liberalism + Gunpowder then max out the culture slider under Free Speech and cruise to victory. Tech your way towards rifling with your slider at 0% just in case anyone feels like raining on you parade. If they do just put your slider back up until you finish rifling so you have better defenders.

 

[semirami]

Spoiler :

The start is really overpowred. It is going to be an easy cultural win

 

[swordmaster29]

I'm at work and not feeling well, but I think if you move to the hill S of the settler with your scout (turn 0), then you'll be able to see if it's a plains square in the BFC, and what your second ring in the water will look like. Worth a shot, at least. It will also help you see a bit of the second ring to the south if you were to move.

 

[CivMcNut]

Looks like plenty of trees and hills to get the production going, and a few floodplains to get either the commerce or food going.

What's the plan out the gate? REX until 6? Go for the best 6 spots you can scout? Or just try to settle around the capital to save on maintence?

 

[madscientist]

Looks like plenty of trees and hills to get the production going, and a few floodplains to get either the commerce or food going.

What's the plan out the gate? REX until 6? Go for the best 6 spots you can scout? Or just try to settle around the capital to save on maintence?

I will take the best 6 spots that are closest to the capital to minimize costs (so we can utilize the slider more) but not impeding on any AIs if possible.

In another words, I will not too agressively plants cities on AI borders. One or two to cut off access to good land is OK, But the idea is to share. The less land we claim, the more the AI can have.

In a perfect world I would like to see all 6cities BFC touching culturally but that is unrealistic.

 

[Nares]

OK, about settling inplace versus the floodplains.

Both give us 2 floodplains to work, as bets we can see.

Both give us 2 hills to work although settling in place may give us an extra hammer if we are on a plains hill which I did not check.

1SE offers three flood plains to work. There are four flood plains total, but you only have access to two if you settle in place.

1SE opens up the plains hill you're on, though it sacrifices a grasslands hill.

1SE just seems like a better city overall. Fewer water tiles, plenty of river, more flood plains. I don't think that a second water resource would be worth staying in place for.

@semirami

Spoiler :

The start is really overpowred. It is going to be an easy cultural win

I was looking at some of his other RPC games, and they all seem to feature drastically overpowered starts. I'm wondering if they're edited.

 

[madscientist]

Pericles, Greek God of Peace: Part I

Ok, we are off to business right away. Got some nice goody huts, found some interesting neighbors, and looking for our first decisions.

First of all, we sent the scout directly east to scope out those lands. Also the hill we were on was a plains hill, so we get the extra hammer. Then we decided to settle in place, and

Good choice! While we lost the levees and jumbos in the BFC, we gained two excellent food resources for a great GP farm!

We start building a workboat

AS I typically do, I work the most hammer heavy tile when building an early workboat

We started with a workboat/worker/workboat/scout then warriors and archers until the settler

Techpath: AH/BWarchery/agriculture/pottery

Very soon we meet our first AI

OK, one of the more peaceful leaders.

And we popped a few techs from goody huts including 25gold

And then we meet one of the not so peaceful leaders.

OK, where are the military resources!!!

Seriously, he is probably the utmost challenge for the God of Peace!!!! People have said in other threads he's one of the more loyal AIs once you have warmed up to him, let's see!

After Animal Husbandry

There are plenty of horses, lot's of options here.

Now that long straight steam though floodpalins looks pretty interesting.

Especially after teching BW

But soon it get's much more interesting.

And then even more interesting

Ok, Tokugawa is trying to cramp us!

Once we teched pottery and finished the settler we saved teh game, looking for some advice on where to settle.

I think we should tech IW next as I do not think those copper resources are too easy to access.

I have mapped out the land (Darius is also close to us in the northeast.

Those are my priority cities. Time to send some fogbusters pretty quick and let's hope Toku and Darius expands east!!!

 

[semirami]

Amazing!

Spoiler :

I just cant believe. My highest score ever!

 

[Nares]

@madscientist

So are you editing these maps? Every one of your RPC games has an incredible start.

I don't even think the random map generator could produce something like this.

 

[madscientist]

@madscientist

So are you editing these maps? Every one of your RPC games has an incredible start.

I don't even think the random map generator could produce something like this.

I never edit the map, or if I do I am straight foreward about it (See Asoka and Al I).

The only thing I do sometimes is restart from a save if distracted by home affairs which lead to a poor performance. I have a wife and 2 teenage daughters!

This is what RMG genie gave us, and it's appreciated after those maps that Al got!

 

[BalbanesBeoulve]

Based on the screenshots of the land around his capital, i'm not seeing anything unusual at all. And if he wanted a peaceful game would he have really put Toku that close to him?

 

[CivCorpse]

@madscientist

So are you editing these maps? Every one of your RPC games has an incredible start.

I don't even think the random map generator could produce something like this.

A. I have gotten starts that have been so good, they make this one look like an isolated tundra 4 tile island in comparison.

B. Who cares if he edits anyways? It's not cheating if you're just out to have a good time. I usually regen a lot just to see maps. I'm weird like that.

C. Tokogawa must die. Rules are rules but Big Perky is the God of Peace, or GOP for short. Which explains all the elephants. (For our non-U.S. readers, the GOP stands for Grand Old Party, the nickname of the Republican political party. Their mascot is an elephant. This is the political party that brought you George Bush. George Bush is like Montezuma with the American UU and UB)
Anyways GOP has a duty to destroy toko. He is evil

 

[Groogaroo]

Yes toku might not be the best of nextdoor buddies, but there is not much you can do about it going by the rules. I would setting city 1 first to block off the other sites on the north-west. hopefully toku won't head south just yet due to the jungle. I'm hoping there is alot of land out to the east so that the AI happily settle in that direction.

I never edit the map, or if I do I am straight foreward about it (See Asoka and Al I).

Yeah when you cheat, you do it with style! Modern Armour at 4000BC

 

[grandad1982]

Oh man that flood pain riverlooked so nice! Bad Toku!

I'd also settle 1 first maybe followed by 6. Then I take a stack of axes and ram it down... oh sorry wrong brother.
Also my theory about the bare hill having a resourse is all over as I just noticed a forest grew there - forests won't grow on a resourse (except resourses found in forests...!) is that right?

 

[Gwynnja]

C. Tokogawa must die. Rules are rules but Big Perky is the God of Peace, or GOP for short. Which explains all the elephants. (For our non-U.S. readers, the GOP stands for Grand Old Party, the nickname of the Republican political party. Their mascot is an elephant. This is the political party that brought you George Bush. George Bush is like Montezuma with the American UU and UB)
Anyways GOP has a duty to destroy toko. He is evil[/QUOTE]
Ha!
Send spys to find WMD, and vassalize him for oil

 

[madscientist]

C. Tokogawa must die. Rules are rules but Big Perky is the God of Peace, or GOP for short. Which explains all the elephants. (For our non-U.S. readers, the GOP stands for Grand Old Party, the nickname of the Republican political party. Their mascot is an elephant. This is the political party that brought you George Bush. George Bush is like Montezuma with the American UU and UB)
Anyways GOP has a duty to destroy toko. He is evil

Oh come now, you know the GOP believes in peace through absolute force!!!

I'll play the game legit, but if Toku come knocking on our door he shall be pillaged so that we have rifles before he get Samuri.

But I am convinced we can get along with the same religion, if it can get spread fast enough and Darius does not found too many other conflicting religions. We may have to stick with Mercantilism though.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

You coud always try gifting Toku alphabet as soon as you get it, it's not as if he is going to trade with everyone else immediately like Mansa or anything.

 

[semirami]

We may have to stick with Mercantilism though

5) We cannot adopt theocracy, vassalage, nationalism, mercantilism, or police state.

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