Role Play Challenge, TNG: Simon Bolivar, Rise of the Amazon
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madscientist
RPC Supergenius
I was thinking of that however he is still stacked and Amazon production is not exactly too robust now. However, I can certainly start directing espionage towards Monty and perhaps up the ep slider.
I don't think you're as in trouble as you think. While the situation certainly isn't good, the land is pretty much built to get into a large hole and then pull out late. And with this many people, you just need to get a monopoly tech or two to get back to a respectable spot.
That said, I think you did make a huge mistake in going down the optics line. This isn't an isolation game, 4 other people on your continent is more than enough to trade and tech quickly with. Now your stuck with 3 or 4 useless techs, and the people in the old world can't even help you because they're so far ahead in tech. 4 trading partners is more than enough to make a quick liberalism push and go from there.
You did catch a pretty raw deal with America getting 2 of the 3 early religions, makes your situation tougher, and the old world as Jewish buddies.
From here, I would say forget about the old world completely. You can take over America and win like that. Even if it takes you a long time, there is enough land to overcome the huge head start. I'm a fish out of water in situations like this, but if there is anyone who can win by slogging through medieval warfare in the 1500's and later, its you.
That said, I think you did make a huge mistake in going down the optics line. This isn't an isolation game, 4 other people on your continent is more than enough to trade and tech quickly with. Now your stuck with 3 or 4 useless techs, and the people in the old world can't even help you because they're so far ahead in tech. 4 trading partners is more than enough to make a quick liberalism push and go from there.
You did catch a pretty raw deal with America getting 2 of the 3 early religions, makes your situation tougher, and the old world as Jewish buddies.
From here, I would say forget about the old world completely. You can take over America and win like that. Even if it takes you a long time, there is enough land to overcome the huge head start. I'm a fish out of water in situations like this, but if there is anyone who can win by slogging through medieval warfare in the 1500's and later, its you.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Yikes, another Satan game!
The monopoly tech is what I was thinking although that is tough and Liberalism has already fallen. I have also yet to meet asia which may have some surprises there.
I agree on the optics beeline, but hell no one likes the UU and thought I would flount it a bit. egads how bad was that!
Der Graf
Omnipresent Eye
I don't think beelining Optics was that big a mistake
First, you would have needed it anyway to go for Astronomy and your UB. Second, you can at least make some minor trades as the other Old World leaders don't have it.
What about bulbing part of Astronomy with your GS and making a fire sale ?
Check the bulb tables and see what you would get for a GA (or what you could manouver to quickly by strategic teching). I can see a scenario where caste-enabled Artist spam in Sanat Cruz (sic) could flip one of Monty's jungle cities and give you a tradable tech while not ruffling SBs feathers.
Htadus
A and L's dad
Awsome UU if playing terra map. But IMHO, your optics beeline was not fast enough. By the way this is a very educational setup and I am learning alot. I think I will also give the Isreal map a go too.
As a typical lazy man, I only wish that the game was set up in Buffy, but that could be cheating instead of real micro management.
I played my game up to 1345 AD.
Spoiler :
. I was hoping that he will stay true to his greedy ways and heading to Economics. So I shut down my economy and waited for the GS's to show up. Two GS's bulbed Education for me and I traded around to get many techs and alot of gold. Turn science to 100% and played with each city until no of turns droped to 11 at -125+ deficit. Just two turns before its due I hear the chime 
but that was for someone proving the world is round. 
So on 1325AD we get Liberalism and Chemistry from it. 3 turns later, get Astro and trade it to get near tech parity. In the mean time I get the apostolic religion; Buddhism. So at the stopping point I am bussy building 2 monastaries so I can spread around to other cities for hammers. I have two to many techs on all others and they have Economics and Charleman has SM which he is willing to trade.
Question: Do we loose the AP hammer from the Monastary if we learn SM?
Silv Something
Pi(e) Loving Maniac
Whoops, missed the start of that RPC. Well, I'm here now.
Do SOMETHING! (I haven't played civ in 6 months thanks to my wondrous computer, so I can't tell you what to do.) Perhaps espionage? You dealt with this in the Satan game, as some have already said.
Do SOMETHING! (I haven't played civ in 6 months thanks to my wondrous computer, so I can't tell you what to do.) Perhaps espionage? You dealt with this in the Satan game, as some have already said.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Well, I am not really sure how much further this RPC will go. I want to play out a few more turns before I post it but seams tech is a hopeless hole we cannot crawl out of. Sitting Bull has vassaled Monty and half the Old World hates us.
Expect an update later tonight, one way or another.
Expect an update later tonight, one way or another.
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Simon Bolivar, Rise of the Amazon: Part IV
Bolivar paced across the floor of his palace. "This is terrible, thousands of soldiers would be better, but the world just considers the Amazon, nothing"
Indeed, the world appears to be passing south America by.
"Amazons, start on Astronomy!"
And immediately Bolivar starts trading off Optics while he builds Carracks to search the world, perhaps there are worse off civilizations thatn the Amazon.
Not much although Calendar does open up Atronomy.
The next point of business, what to do with teh Great Scientist
While bulbing Astronomy seams like a good idea, the trade value is poor. Bolivar opts for a Golden Age to trigger off civic changes
Time to try an pump out as many Great people as we can get.
A few turns at Civil service allows us to shoot off a few more trades.
Great, only 39 turns until Astronomy! Oh wait, I don't play Marathon anymore, never mind, it sucks.
Quickly another GS pops
Bolivar uses this Genius and all future genius's to found academies. Time to start investing in the future, this will be a LONG ride.
Near the end of the Golden Age we swap civics again
And we start meeting more of the Old World.
An assortment of strong leaders there! At least we can fight Churchill for having the lowest score!
And Bolivar slaps his forhead at the stupidity of letting this happen.
To call this an ill-played RPC would be incredibly kind!
At this popint our Carrack heading towards the Pacific found some leaders
We opened border with everyone, made some decent resource for gold trades since everyone else has astronomy, and scowled at being so far behind in tech that we cannot shoot off a trade.
Then FINALLY
And the world improved a little as massives amount of commerce rolled in from overseas trade routes. Our trade prospects were
Limited.
To Be Continued.......
Bolivar paced across the floor of his palace. "This is terrible, thousands of soldiers would be better, but the world just considers the Amazon, nothing"
Indeed, the world appears to be passing south America by.
"Amazons, start on Astronomy!"
And immediately Bolivar starts trading off Optics while he builds Carracks to search the world, perhaps there are worse off civilizations thatn the Amazon.
Not much although Calendar does open up Atronomy.
The next point of business, what to do with teh Great Scientist
While bulbing Astronomy seams like a good idea, the trade value is poor. Bolivar opts for a Golden Age to trigger off civic changes
Time to try an pump out as many Great people as we can get.
A few turns at Civil service allows us to shoot off a few more trades.
Great, only 39 turns until Astronomy! Oh wait, I don't play Marathon anymore, never mind, it sucks.
Quickly another GS pops
Bolivar uses this Genius and all future genius's to found academies. Time to start investing in the future, this will be a LONG ride.
Near the end of the Golden Age we swap civics again
And we start meeting more of the Old World.
An assortment of strong leaders there! At least we can fight Churchill for having the lowest score!
And Bolivar slaps his forhead at the stupidity of letting this happen.
To call this an ill-played RPC would be incredibly kind!
At this popint our Carrack heading towards the Pacific found some leaders
We opened border with everyone, made some decent resource for gold trades since everyone else has astronomy, and scowled at being so far behind in tech that we cannot shoot off a trade.
Then FINALLY
And the world improved a little as massives amount of commerce rolled in from overseas trade routes. Our trade prospects were
Limited.
To Be Continued.......
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Simon Bolivar, Rise of the Amazon: Part IV continued.
As Washington tends to be the biggest miser here (well except for Sitting Bull who won't trade), we offered him astronomy first
So let's see the world
North America
Africa
Europe
Asia
well the Jewish lovefest has allowed all eladers to get nice and friendly with each other. Damn!
Next trade was with Hyuna
And while we were cruising along researching NAtionalism and paper next for potential trade fodder, Tokugawa came by demanding our treasury.
Nothing to do about it, we caved in not wanting a war against Japan.
we then researched Printing Press simply because it looked like we could trade it
Oh yeah, we got music as a gift from Kublai!
Not much, but anything helps here.
Sitting Bull declared war on Monty, quickly forcing
So the New World is basically the Native Americans and the Amazon, with alot of powerful Old World leaders with "Enough on their hands" who hates us.
Next on the research platform was education, followed by Liberalism. After that we have civic choices and the opportunity for some trades
MUSKETS!!!!! Some sound defense there, at for a little while.
Just trade fodder for later on.
So we are researching Scientific Method (9 turns) and waiting to make more trades, perhaps I can pry it away from Washington in a few turns.
Diplomatically
A hell of alot of DPs there!
The biggest issue here is what to do with the civics??? My preference is natiohood to draft defending muskets and Free Religion to cool off the Old World tempers. Howeverm FR will tarnish the New World relations who are only trading partners at the moment, plus I prefer to nab economics before the big civic change. Also representation may be helpful if we can trade for it, but several Old World leaders are kept OK in diplomacy using HR.
Seams like alot to decide in a few turns, which is why I saved here.
Ideally, Biology, State Property and Steam Power can really bust South America out. IF we survive to that point.
After Scientific method I think it's Communism/Chemistry/Biology
As Washington tends to be the biggest miser here (well except for Sitting Bull who won't trade), we offered him astronomy first
So let's see the world
North America
Africa
Europe
Asia
well the Jewish lovefest has allowed all eladers to get nice and friendly with each other. Damn!
Next trade was with Hyuna
And while we were cruising along researching NAtionalism and paper next for potential trade fodder, Tokugawa came by demanding our treasury.
Nothing to do about it, we caved in not wanting a war against Japan.
we then researched Printing Press simply because it looked like we could trade it
Oh yeah, we got music as a gift from Kublai!
Not much, but anything helps here.
Sitting Bull declared war on Monty, quickly forcing
So the New World is basically the Native Americans and the Amazon, with alot of powerful Old World leaders with "Enough on their hands" who hates us.
Next on the research platform was education, followed by Liberalism. After that we have civic choices and the opportunity for some trades
MUSKETS!!!!! Some sound defense there, at for a little while.
Just trade fodder for later on.
So we are researching Scientific Method (9 turns) and waiting to make more trades, perhaps I can pry it away from Washington in a few turns.
Diplomatically
A hell of alot of DPs there!
The biggest issue here is what to do with the civics??? My preference is natiohood to draft defending muskets and Free Religion to cool off the Old World tempers. Howeverm FR will tarnish the New World relations who are only trading partners at the moment, plus I prefer to nab economics before the big civic change. Also representation may be helpful if we can trade for it, but several Old World leaders are kept OK in diplomacy using HR.
Seams like alot to decide in a few turns, which is why I saved here.
Ideally, Biology, State Property and Steam Power can really bust South America out. IF we survive to that point.
After Scientific method I think it's Communism/Chemistry/Biology
CreeDakota
King
I would put some turns into Econ now and try and get it from monty for Divine right. Take Free religion; If sitting Bull comes at you at least you will be fighting at Tech parity and you will have cities to take in a counter attack if you can. In contrast, IF the old world invades you could get a stack of rifles and cannons landing next to your capital.....
Htadus
A and L's dad
pulling yourself by the boot strap.Your experience really shows here. I would have been in a defensive war against Toku right now. Humm that is probably why my high level games suffer
. Spoiler :
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) The Dark One
Settled Priest
Bravo for not giving up! As you say, there's a chance of pulling something out of the bag if you survive long enough... Just hope the Eurasians dogpile SB and not you. Good luck!
Silv Something
Pi(e) Loving Maniac
Except the Amazon on the Old World's side. 
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Somehow, The Amazon is still alive and slowly moving up in tech. Too late to post the full game, so here is the save.
