RomeoRedux Altruistic Americans (Sid)
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romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
I will get to this tonight. 4th straight day of Christmas parties tonight. I am now in finals week so time should become availible or something. I am thinking Yes on mobolization, I usually do that as soon as San Fran builds a factory. I can usually get 3-4 cities on 1 turn marines with mobolization.
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
I will need an educational deferrment on this draft cycle. (SWAP)
Bede should take it, and I will try to go after him.
Thanks
Bede should take it, and I will try to go after him.
Thanks
Bede said:
Well, if not Tokyo, how about Wake Island?
1) We must never sell anything to our allies. We can only give stuff away. We can use our gold to buy stuff, but only gold, no resources, techs, or luxes.
2) We cannot steal technology from our allies. We can steal technology from the Japanese, as America copied some componenets from a Zero fighter.
3) No Nukes. Thus the Greenpeace label.
4) Pollution cleanup must take all availible untasked workers at the end of every turn. This includes flying workers to Hawaii if need be. If a worker is mining and it takes 3 turns, he doesn't have to be interrupted.
Mar-June, 1943
Kept up naval bombardment pressure at Kwajelein and Wake Island, destroying three Japanese Zeros on the ground at Kwajelein and the airfield at Wake to elminate airlifted reinforcement. Sunk a Japanese sub with bombers and depth charges in the waters off Wake.
Prepared the Wake Island force at Midway and set sail for Wake with two transports of Marines plus destroyer contingents.
After the final strike at Kwajelien in June 1943 shifted the battle group in support of Wake Island.
The commonwealth and the Netherlands sent naval and ground forces towards Formosa and scared off a couple of IJN destroyers in the Formosa Straits.
The Japanese sortied an invasion force out of Formosa towards Luzon so defenses have been redirected to cover the landing sites. The OSS reports only six Imperial Marines so amphib assault is not likely.
Lost a bomber to a Zero in the Formosa Strait and another to AA at Kwajelein.
In June 43 mobilized the economy. Bombers are building on the mainland to replace losses. When done on the IT the mainland will be producing Marines or CE's at a pretty good clip.
The Allies gained 2085VP (15445); Imperial Japan 3585 (22445)
NW Pacific
Formosa Strait
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
lurker's comment: Please explain for the idiots just why you want Wake so desperately?
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
probably to get a thorn out of our side. we really need to start securing the VP locations, so we can start making a dent in the growing point disparity. What's the closest VP location? Davao (near Manilla)?Admiral Kutzov said:
grahamiam
In debt to Mr. Geisel
I checked the save and Kwajalein is one, but wake is not. however, it would probably be good to get the Japanese off Wake as well.Bede said:
After those two, we can go Truk, Saipan, and Guam. Then stretch for Davao.
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
I'll pick this up in the morn.
Another Lurker Comment:
Does the VP locations really matter ?
Do you not earn much much more VPs from capturing cities, followed by killing units ?
Also, the VPs are likely to be heavily defended, making VP pickings better when quickly capturing the lightly defended other cities.
grimjack
Does the VP locations really matter ?
Do you not earn much much more VPs from capturing cities, followed by killing units ?
Also, the VPs are likely to be heavily defended, making VP pickings better when quickly capturing the lightly defended other cities.
grimjack
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
IHT: Not too much to do.
IBT: The Brits sink some more of the IJN, we are untouched.
Turn 1 : Aparri worker to worker. Midway worker to carrier. San Fran, Bomber to Marine, Los Angelos Bomber to Marine, Portland Bomber to Marine. Commonwealth just got advanced flight. I will Rearrange tiles and stuff to try and get some 1 turn marine factories. Capture Wake with no losses, use an artillary to rush a worker. Heading to Kwajalein. Creating a consolidated fleet now.
IBT: Brits shoot down 2 bombers, we shoot down 1.
Turn 2: Our bomber shoots down a zero at Kwajalein. Destroy an elite on the tarmac at Kwajalein. I love BB bombards. Kill 2 MG battalions and a flak, capture Kwajalein. USe artillary to rush worker again. Setting up for Truk. Do not bomb the snot out of it with planes. Spotted sub at Kwalajein, sank same. Our only remaining reg bomber promoted to Vet.
IBT: An elite BB leaves formosa to bomb Aparri and head back to Formosa.
Turn 3: Kwajalein worker to worker. Seattle Marine to Marine, Portland Marine to Marine, LA Marine to Marine, San Fran Marine to MArine. Dyes hooked up, lux to 0%. Moving ships to Truk. I am moving the top row of ships to Guam and Siapan, as they move too slowly to keep up with the main fleet as I had to heal them up a bit. Carry on with the offensive.
IBT: I pushed enter instead of save. Truk fired artillary at our fleet, An F4F I moved to Manila shot down a Jap bomber. A bunch of Marines completed, moving on to Marines. Sorry about that.
@Grimjack, I have never noticed VP locations being extra heavily guarded in this scenario, but When I bombard with a dozen ships, then send in up to a dozen marines, their garrison really doesn't matter. I also usually score almost all my VP's from Killing units and taking cities so the VP locations really don't matter much.
The Save
IBT: The Brits sink some more of the IJN, we are untouched.
Turn 1 : Aparri worker to worker. Midway worker to carrier. San Fran, Bomber to Marine, Los Angelos Bomber to Marine, Portland Bomber to Marine. Commonwealth just got advanced flight. I will Rearrange tiles and stuff to try and get some 1 turn marine factories. Capture Wake with no losses, use an artillary to rush a worker. Heading to Kwajalein. Creating a consolidated fleet now.
IBT: Brits shoot down 2 bombers, we shoot down 1.
Turn 2: Our bomber shoots down a zero at Kwajalein. Destroy an elite on the tarmac at Kwajalein. I love BB bombards. Kill 2 MG battalions and a flak, capture Kwajalein. USe artillary to rush worker again. Setting up for Truk. Do not bomb the snot out of it with planes. Spotted sub at Kwalajein, sank same. Our only remaining reg bomber promoted to Vet.
IBT: An elite BB leaves formosa to bomb Aparri and head back to Formosa.
Turn 3: Kwajalein worker to worker. Seattle Marine to Marine, Portland Marine to Marine, LA Marine to Marine, San Fran Marine to MArine. Dyes hooked up, lux to 0%. Moving ships to Truk. I am moving the top row of ships to Guam and Siapan, as they move too slowly to keep up with the main fleet as I had to heal them up a bit. Carry on with the offensive.
IBT: I pushed enter instead of save. Truk fired artillary at our fleet, An F4F I moved to Manila shot down a Jap bomber. A bunch of Marines completed, moving on to Marines. Sorry about that.
@Grimjack, I have never noticed VP locations being extra heavily guarded in this scenario, but When I bombard with a dozen ships, then send in up to a dozen marines, their garrison really doesn't matter. I also usually score almost all my VP's from Killing units and taking cities so the VP locations really don't matter much.
The Save
Justus II
General Staff
Well, I think we're ahead of the historical schedule, and we don't even have to return to Manila, since we never left! Looks like China is holding out well too. Where are we on VPs, BTW?
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Maybe we should consider going directly at the Japanese mainland via the Philippines.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
lurker's comment: I'd almost pay money to see Operation Olympic
Dwip
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October, 1943 -
We're significantly ahead of OTL's 1943. Malaya, Singapore, the Dutch East Indies, and assorted other places never fell, not to mention Luzon. We've also pushed the Japanese out of Wake and Kwajelien much ahead of schedule, and are preparing to assault Truk, which never actually got invaded.
We're pulling 1-2 turn Marines in all the West Coast cities, and our fleet is about the biggest one out there, since the IJN is now Sir Not Appearing In This Scenario.
We have 20380 VPs to Japan's 27810, and are at 51%/58% area/population, and we need 66%/46% to win that way.
China has Advanced Flight, but doesn't feel like selling.
So, here's my thoughts on strategy:
1. We can probably ignore the Philippines. They're out in the comparative middle of nowhere, and we've got plenty of closer places to strike.
2. We should hit Truk because we're right there, then either swing north and take Guam and Saipan, or ignore them. Since we're right there, we might as well just take them. Iwo Jima is optional, but we can probably snag it at some point.
3. Having done that, I say it's time to shoot for Operation Downfall[1], and invade Japan itself. Because I'd almost pay money to see it too.
[1] - Just to be all technical, Downfall was the name for the whole invasion of Japan, Olympic was the Kyushu part of that, and Coronet was the Honshu invasion. But anyway.
That's all a ways off, though. First, we try to take down Truk. This is accomplished after both minimal naval bombardment and minimal losses to our marines.
Other operations this month include:
1. Prep work for the invasion of Saipan.
2. Switching to the construction of a transport in Manila which can then go retake Davao with all those spare GIs we have on Luzon.
3. Airfields are built back in the US to help move troops to Wake Island for loading on transports. One of the nice things about Saipan is that it has an airport that will help us get troops closer to the front.
Our workers are about out of work to do.
(IBT) - Some Japanese BB bombards Appari, and some planes bomb there and Manila, but otherwise nobody to be seen.
November 1943 -
Manila Transport->F4F
Honolulu Transport->Transport
Seattle Marine->GI
San Francisco Marine->GI
Los Angeles Marine->Marine
Bombard Saipan heavily. It turns out that a fairly large chunk of the IJN is holed up there, including at least one CA, 3 DDs, and a transport. It also turns out that the IJN as a whole is far from defeated - 5 BBs, 8 CAs, 18 DDs, 4 CVs, and a bunch of planes - 59 Zeros and 7 bombers. Where all of this is, I have no idea. In any case, our entire fleet and our entire air force isn't enough to destroy the defenders, so we'll hold off on invading.
(IBT) - We shoot down a Zero over Appari, and duel with shore batteries on Saipan.
December 1943 -
Truk Worker->MG
Seattle GI->Marine
Portland Marine->Marine
San Francisco GI->Marine
Reno Marine->Marine
On Saipan, we use every ship at our disposal to saturate the island with gunfire before the marines hit the beach. This works pretty well, and our losses are minimal, although the airport is destroyed in the fighting.
With Saipan down, we're ready to take Guam down, and then on to Iwo Jima and then to Operation Downfall. We have troops in place off Guam now, with our supporting fleet a bit north off Saipan. More transports are coming from Wake, which is still our forward airfield for the moment. I left a garrison on Wake, which still has resisters, and somehow we need to get the resistors off Kwaj, too, and the 9 in Saipan. There are GIs on Wake for the purpose. There's also a transport in Manila to go take back Davao.
VPs: 23,830 for us, 29,665 for Japan. 52%/60% for land/pop.
We're significantly ahead of OTL's 1943. Malaya, Singapore, the Dutch East Indies, and assorted other places never fell, not to mention Luzon. We've also pushed the Japanese out of Wake and Kwajelien much ahead of schedule, and are preparing to assault Truk, which never actually got invaded.
We're pulling 1-2 turn Marines in all the West Coast cities, and our fleet is about the biggest one out there, since the IJN is now Sir Not Appearing In This Scenario.
We have 20380 VPs to Japan's 27810, and are at 51%/58% area/population, and we need 66%/46% to win that way.
China has Advanced Flight, but doesn't feel like selling.
So, here's my thoughts on strategy:
1. We can probably ignore the Philippines. They're out in the comparative middle of nowhere, and we've got plenty of closer places to strike.
2. We should hit Truk because we're right there, then either swing north and take Guam and Saipan, or ignore them. Since we're right there, we might as well just take them. Iwo Jima is optional, but we can probably snag it at some point.
3. Having done that, I say it's time to shoot for Operation Downfall[1], and invade Japan itself. Because I'd almost pay money to see it too.
[1] - Just to be all technical, Downfall was the name for the whole invasion of Japan, Olympic was the Kyushu part of that, and Coronet was the Honshu invasion. But anyway.
That's all a ways off, though. First, we try to take down Truk. This is accomplished after both minimal naval bombardment and minimal losses to our marines.
Other operations this month include:
1. Prep work for the invasion of Saipan.
2. Switching to the construction of a transport in Manila which can then go retake Davao with all those spare GIs we have on Luzon.
3. Airfields are built back in the US to help move troops to Wake Island for loading on transports. One of the nice things about Saipan is that it has an airport that will help us get troops closer to the front.
Our workers are about out of work to do.
(IBT) - Some Japanese BB bombards Appari, and some planes bomb there and Manila, but otherwise nobody to be seen.
November 1943 -
Manila Transport->F4F
Honolulu Transport->Transport
Seattle Marine->GI
San Francisco Marine->GI
Los Angeles Marine->Marine
Bombard Saipan heavily. It turns out that a fairly large chunk of the IJN is holed up there, including at least one CA, 3 DDs, and a transport. It also turns out that the IJN as a whole is far from defeated - 5 BBs, 8 CAs, 18 DDs, 4 CVs, and a bunch of planes - 59 Zeros and 7 bombers. Where all of this is, I have no idea. In any case, our entire fleet and our entire air force isn't enough to destroy the defenders, so we'll hold off on invading.
(IBT) - We shoot down a Zero over Appari, and duel with shore batteries on Saipan.
December 1943 -
Truk Worker->MG
Seattle GI->Marine
Portland Marine->Marine
San Francisco GI->Marine
Reno Marine->Marine
On Saipan, we use every ship at our disposal to saturate the island with gunfire before the marines hit the beach. This works pretty well, and our losses are minimal, although the airport is destroyed in the fighting.
With Saipan down, we're ready to take Guam down, and then on to Iwo Jima and then to Operation Downfall. We have troops in place off Guam now, with our supporting fleet a bit north off Saipan. More transports are coming from Wake, which is still our forward airfield for the moment. I left a garrison on Wake, which still has resisters, and somehow we need to get the resistors off Kwaj, too, and the 9 in Saipan. There are GIs on Wake for the purpose. There's also a transport in Manila to go take back Davao.
VPs: 23,830 for us, 29,665 for Japan. 52%/60% for land/pop.
Justus II
General Staff
Nice turns! 
I agree with driving straight for their heart, with the short time frame of the scenario, we're better off going for a few big cities than a bunch of small ones, and it just sounds more fun! 
In that line, I'd say Iwo is a definite, it gives us a base in range of the home islands for aircraft, and if we can take that airport intact, it will greatly shorten our supply line.
I agree with driving straight for their heart, with the short time frame of the scenario, we're better off going for a few big cities than a bunch of small ones, and it just sounds more fun! In that line, I'd say Iwo is a definite, it gives us a base in range of the home islands for aircraft, and if we can take that airport intact, it will greatly shorten our supply line.
