Ruff09: Which Improvement?

ruff_hi · Apr 6, 2009

oh - and I left in the diplomatic victory condition so that we can build the AP and get a few more hammers out of those religious buildings.

CHEESE! · Apr 6, 2009

Luck Ruff.

Liquidated · Apr 6, 2009

btw, when talking about losing hill hammers, isn't a generic citizen just as good as working a non riverside grass hill, grass forest or civil farmed plains? not even talking about mids here.

Cheers!
-Liq

Diamondeye · Apr 6, 2009

I'm sad I didn't get to comment on the start - I'd have sent the scout to the hill down south...

Anyway, definately settle on the northernmost gems.

CHEESE! · Apr 6, 2009

I hope we get this up soon, because I will NEED to play this tonight and it is already quarter past nine here on the better side of the Atlantic.

CHEESE! · Apr 6, 2009

Since it appears that Ruff will not complete the round by midnight today, so count me as out for the next set.

ruff_hi · Apr 6, 2009

CHEESE! said:
Since it appears that Ruff will not complete the round by midnight today, so count me as out for the next set.

ruff_hi said:
I will have a report up by tomorrow night

I thought I was clear that the report would be up by tomorrow (Tuesday) night. Looks like the Cheese! is a skip for this round. Sorry if that ruined your plans.

CHEESE! · Apr 6, 2009

Yeps. Ah well. Shift happens, or in this case, skips.

regoarrarr · Apr 7, 2009

Okay after talking with ruff, he has coopted me into the roster for as long as my computer can handle it. I told him it was only fair since it was my min-road SG idea that he stole!

Plus.... it's my birthday today!

Liquidated · Apr 7, 2009

Welcome! Happy Birthday!

Aztec Fred and the Lost City of Jewels!

or something... :confused:

Cheers!
-Liq

phungus420 · Apr 7, 2009

lurker's comment: With allowing farms, and whipping/chopping you guys can pretty much play a Specialist economy variant, slightly tuffer, but not too much. Given what I saw from the other no improvement game, and the no worker's game, this noble difficulty with these players is going to be a blowout. I strongly suggest you reroll a start on Monarch, if you want a challenge, instead of just rolling over the AI. I'm only a monarch/marathon player, and under these game rules, I'm confident I could win on noble.

ruff_hi · Apr 7, 2009

And here is the report. I played 75 turns ... 75 turns for 1 stinking working, 2 researched techs and a city of size 3 - who the heck suggested marathon? Well, at least we now know how long the initial sets should be ...

First Set: play approx 50 - 60 turns - try and finish at a logical break within those bounds
Subsequent Set: play approx 25 turns, again, trying to finish at a logical break

I move the settler as suggested and settle our capital on the Northern most gem (it automatically pops the hut for 210 gold!!). I start a scout (a 30 turn build for 1 stupid scout). Scrap that for a silly suggestion, I swap it over to StoneHenge (due in 360 turns!) - much better. Why didn't I start a worker? What could he do ... agriculture is 30 turns away and we are teching towards bronze working / iron working - we need to knock out mining first (21 turns).

so, the city is set to grow, putting its 1 hammer into Stonehenge and teching mining.

I send our scout in a circular path to reveal the land around us - he finds another hut to our North and ...

Tribal village results: scout

See - told you that building a scout off the bat was a crappy idea!

From there, 1 scout continued to circumnavigate our city while the other scout when hut hunting.

Excluding the first two huts, this is what we got from huts ...

Tribal village results: scout
Tribal village results: map
Tribal village results: lots of gold
Tribal village results: technology - Masonry
Tribal village results: a little gold
Tribal village results: lots of gold
Tribal village results: map
Tribal village results: a little gold
Tribal village results: a little gold
Tribal village results: map
Tribal village results: a little gold
Tribal village results: a little gold
Tribal village results: warrior
Tribal village results: a little gold
Tribal village results: lots of gold
Tribal village results: map
Tribal village results: technology - Animal Husbandry
Tribal village results: a little gold
Tribal village results: warrior
Tribal village results: lots of gold
Tribal village results: lots of gold
Tribal village results: experience
Tribal village results: warrior
Tribal village results: lots of gold
Tribal village results: experience
Tribal village results: technology - Horseback Riding

By the end of my set we have:

2478 in the bank!
2 Woodie II scouts (double movement thru jungle!) - 1 of which has 15 XPs - I think he is already level 4, thus unlocking the Heroic Epic
1 Woodie I scout
1 warrior that I moved back home to guard the our capital
1 warrior out scouting

Here is a screenshot of the lay of the land ... (note that I have marked Zulu even though we haven't met them yet

)

This is lifted from the military advisor and has revealed another weakness of the current interface - no method of getting a really good overview (sans flying camera). Thus I will be modifying BUG to add a large minimap (if you know what I mean).

Oh, people that we met ...

Contact made: Khmer Empire
Contact made: Carthaginian Empire
Contact made: Incan Empire
Contact made: Maya Empire
Contact made: Spanish Empire
Contact made: Dutch Empire
Contact made: Ottoman Empire

Obviously another improvement that BUG needs - it doesn't show the leader. In most games, that isn't a problem ... in this game, it is.

Here is the land around our capital ...

Funny and other stuff that happened during my set ...

This AI scout (cannot see him in this screenshot because I moved my scout) was injured so he spent 3 or 4 turns healing beside a hut - even when I turned up, he still left it to me to pop - very nice of him.

Spoiler log :

And we got jungle growth at our capital - 3 or 4 tiles of jungle growth. From memory, that is about 45 or 60 turns of worker action to remove that jungle :gripe:

Did I mention that we have 2 Woodie II scouts - please don't get them killed until they have found the remaining 10 AIs.

Liquidated · Apr 7, 2009

man WTf with the huts. Well that's why liq suggested a scout first, glad the hut popped it instead haha. Ok so who is next?

I can play it in a few hours when I get home if you care.

Imagine we want to uh hut research more

Btw the name "Farmer Fred" alone means this was the right leader!

Cheers!
-Liq

ruff_hi · Apr 7, 2009

Roster

Ruff
CHEESE! - skipped
Liquidated - up
regoarrarr - on deck
Diamondeye

Liquidated · Apr 7, 2009

Ok what's the plan?
Revolt to slavery when? Keeping in mind 30 turns of unhappy until we can nail our ub.

Keep moving on the Stonehenge? Can hire spec for an extra hammer eventually.

Stall settlers until iron working comes in or spam the marble and silver towns sooner?

Tech after IW wheel?

Cheers!
-Liq

Liquidated · Apr 7, 2009

Ok so glacial pace incoming... have a ForeverHenge cooking with uh 48/360 hammers installed.. right. So roughly let that cook while we grow.

Salient numbers.
2478 Gold
16ish turns to size 4
11 Turns to farm on the other rice
8 turns on BW
312 turns On stone Henge hehe.
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So not much happened other than move scouts and whack end turn. Grew to size 6 hammering on Stone Henge and researched towards IW which is due in 12ish.

No scouts were harmed, one managed to nail woods two while the 15 exp scout managed 20 exp and was promoted medic as there were wolves jumping all over him.

Events:
2530bc Justin founded the first city of the game.
Justin Maya got shock axes event.
A few - beaker events for people.
Grew another jungle in the bfc =/

Researched BW
Found a cache of isolated huts and other than 20 exp for the scout, managed to snag Writing and over 700 gold.

HBR might be more raw beakers but hell if I can think of a more important tech to nail from a hut than what we found.

Up to 3204gold, yeah wtf.

This is the mini map with where I found the Civs, and the white areas are yet to be explored. There's a mountain range in the way and was hitting a line of huts hehe.

Zara of the Mali is in the south and Bk inca is north.
Asoka of Khmmer is west of Hannibal France.

The score list.

Stonehenge has 147 hammers in it. yay? did NOT revolt to slavery and did NOT open borders with anyone.

Time to start working on a settler, have the population to whip.

Cheers!
-Liq

ruff_hi · Apr 7, 2009

good set - love that minimap. I think we should revolt to slavery and whip in a library (try to max hammer overflow into the Henge but don't sweat it. Then hire 2 scientists while we recover from the whip anger - at which point, I would whip out a settler ... then back to that stupid half-cultural trait stonehenge thing.

Roster

Ruff
CHEESE!
Liquidated
regoarrarr - up
Diamondeye - on deck

Liquidated · Apr 8, 2009

yeah that's perfect actually about whipping the library. Well just managed to get to size 6 ish while the 20 exp scout was running for his life from a pack of about 6 wolves haha. Keep that scout traveling west and north btw!

I assume not being able to build mining inc exe's was part of the plan?

Cheers!
-Liq

Conqistador · Apr 8, 2009

Is Stonehenge a serious aim, or is it more of a "might get it, who cares if we don't" build?

ruff_hi · Apr 8, 2009

phungus420 said:
lurker's comment: With allowing farms, and whipping/chopping you guys can pretty much play a Specialist economy variant, slightly tuffer, but not too much. Given what I saw from the other no improvement game, and the no worker's game, this noble difficulty with these players is going to be a blowout. I strongly suggest you reroll a start on Monarch, if you want a challenge, instead of just rolling over the AI. I'm only a monarch/marathon player, and under these game rules, I'm confident I could win on noble.

Its not about winning - that is a given

. I selected noble (or lower was the original plan) so that we could concentrate on making our cities huge, our kingdom huge ... I want to see how high we can get our in-game score (just another sub-aim of this SG

).

Personally - I don't think we should ever chop forests - this game will be hammer poor so we need to keep every one we can.

Conqistador said:
Is Stonehenge a serious aim, or is it more of a "might get it, who cares if we don't" build?

Deadly serious. I hate building monuments to get city pops. I really hate it if it takes me 45 (is that right @ marathon?) turns to build one. I always view StoneHenge as half a cultural trait - thus giving us 2.5 traits instead of just 2. And what else would we sink hammers into anyway ... warriors?

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