regoarrarr
King
Okay I see it and should be able to give it a play this evening.
I will try to follow cap'n ruff's ideas from above:
I will try to follow cap'n ruff's ideas from above:
Ruff09: Which Improvement?
- Thread starter ruff_hi
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Very interesting game you have launched there ruff. That gold you've snatched there is amazing 
Also those other huts - one can see you're not playing the high levels, all those goodies......
Boy I can't believe there are ppl that play marathon deliberately and like it
Also those other huts - one can see you're not playing the high levels, all those goodies......Boy I can't believe there are ppl that play marathon deliberately and like it
regoarrarr
King
T129 - Swap over to a library. I check and see that on Marathon, a whip gets 90 hammers. I see that a library takes 270 hammers. So I should be able to triple whip it. I will wait a few turns to get maximum overflow into the Henge.
T131 - I notice we're not in Slavery, so I revolt (2 turns)
T132 - Meet shaka of the Celts and Washington of teh Indians (in the far NW)
T138 - Meet Augustus of the Romans
T143 - IW->Wheel. Iron 5 tiles east of
T146 - ANOTHER jungle grows at the capital
T148 - with 1 turn to grow to size 7, I triple whip the library. 34 hammers overflow
T153 - Meet Darius I of Holy Rome in the NW, who I believe is the last civ. I count 18 names on the scoresheet.
My computer crashed and I had to reboot. Hopefully not too much of a foreboding sign. No screenshot because everything is the same as above.
The wheel came in and I stopped here. I tentatively queued up Pottery
T131 - I notice we're not in Slavery, so I revolt (2 turns)
T132 - Meet shaka of the Celts and Washington of teh Indians (in the far NW)
T138 - Meet Augustus of the Romans
T143 - IW->Wheel. Iron 5 tiles east of
T146 - ANOTHER jungle grows at the capital
T148 - with 1 turn to grow to size 7, I triple whip the library. 34 hammers overflow
T153 - Meet Darius I of Holy Rome in the NW, who I believe is the last civ. I count 18 names on the scoresheet.
My computer crashed and I had to reboot. Hopefully not too much of a foreboding sign. No screenshot because everything is the same as above.
The wheel came in and I stopped here. I tentatively queued up Pottery
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
What! How can everything be the same? Didn't we put some hammers into the Henge?
Roster
- Ruff - on deck
- CHEESE!
- Liquidated
- regoarrarr
- Diamondeye - up
regoarrarr
King
Yeah we put many hammers in to the henge. Maybe that "everything is the same" jazz was just my excuse for getting off the computer because Lost was coming on?
IIRC, we have about 178 hammers to go on henge - I remember it was 4-whippable.
ANOTHER Jungle grew and we are now at stagnant growth with 2 scientists.
IIRC, we have about 178 hammers to go on henge - I remember it was 4-whippable.
ANOTHER Jungle grew and we are now at stagnant growth with 2 scientists.
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
hmm - stagnant growth - prob not a super idea ... anyway, up to the next player to fix it 
... get back to lost!
... get back to lost!
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
I see it and will play later today. Those hut pops are just insane. Remember that for these kind of games, Hunting is a nice starting tech 
Uhm... Are we going to tech Wheel? Or Agri? Or IW (god forbid it at this speed!)? And just slowbuild SH while growing, then set up for a Settler? (Do we have a Warrior escort?)
Uhm... Are we going to tech Wheel? Or Agri? Or IW (god forbid it at this speed!)? And just slowbuild SH while growing, then set up for a Settler? (Do we have a Warrior escort?)
regoarrarr
King
We already have agri, IW and the wheel (the latter 2 finished on my set). THe choices I saw were Pottery and Math or maybe Alpha?
ETA: We could unstagnate if we fire our scientists
ETA: We could unstagnate if we fire our scientists
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
or chop some of that blasted jungle in our BFC
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
After our Worker had chopped a jungle (reducing 
to 1, I believe), I decided to have him road towards the Iron site (eventually connecting us to the river):
Our northwestern Scout had himself quite some encounters:
... Luckily he had a move left in both situations, allowing him to dash off.
After Pottery came in (I just let this slide; Granaries seem paramount with this amount of whipping!), I decided to run for Archery due to these latest barb encounters (I know this might be paranoid):
... But halfway through (or more accurately with 3 turns left), we pop a GS:
He can GA, Academy, Settle or bulb (Maths). I thought I'd stop it here because I am definately not going to make the right choice alone
So: What do we tech?
Do we keep slowbuilding SH?
When do we push out a Settler (some AIs already have a 2nd city)?
to 1, I believe), I decided to have him road towards the Iron site (eventually connecting us to the river):
Our northwestern Scout had himself quite some encounters:
... Luckily he had a move left in both situations, allowing him to dash off.
After Pottery came in (I just let this slide; Granaries seem paramount with this amount of whipping!), I decided to run for Archery due to these latest barb encounters (I know this might be paranoid):
... But halfway through (or more accurately with 3 turns left), we pop a GS:
He can GA, Academy, Settle or bulb (Maths). I thought I'd stop it here because I am definately not going to make the right choice alone
So: What do we tech?
Do we keep slowbuilding SH?
When do we push out a Settler (some AIs already have a 2nd city)?
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
We have 8(!) jungle tiles in our BFC for -2 health. We need to chop 4 files to get that back to -1. How many turns to chop a jungle tile at marathon ... 12? 15?
The other option is that we road to the rice for +1 health. The pic below has a 2 yellow lines as road suggestions - one heading to Iron-City and the other heading to Silver-City. Purple line is a legal, alternate route to Silver-City.
The other option is that we road to the rice for +1 health. The pic below has a 2 yellow lines as road suggestions - one heading to Iron-City and the other heading to Silver-City. Purple line is a legal, alternate route to Silver-City.
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
Correction of Ruff: We only have 7 jungles, for -1 health, when I checked at least..? (always round down!)
The Rice is connected without the road (which I am building anyway for Iron dot).
The Rice is connected without the road (which I am building anyway for Iron dot).
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
um - no. I count 8 jungle tiles. And how is the rice connected without the road?
Edit: ignore this stupid post - I didn't see that DE had posted a report. Comments based on rego's report.
Edit: ignore this stupid post - I didn't see that DE had posted a report. Comments based on rego's report.
regoarrarr
King
2 jungles grew in my turnset and yes, it was 12 turns to chop. I had started our worker chopping 1 (which looks like it finished in diamonedye's turns) as Wheel had not come in yet.
My first thought was academy though without cottages maybe that's not the way to go
My first thought was academy though without cottages maybe that's not the way to go
regoarrarr
King
As for stonehenge, in 18 turns we could triple whip it (135 hammers to go).
And ruff, remind me how you have codified the "minimum roads" rule?
And ruff, remind me how you have codified the "minimum roads" rule?
Dave Hartwick
Prince
It's adjacent to the river, and there's a road to the river. It's in the screenie.
Liquidated
Goofed Up on Cough Syrup!
A land based resource doesn't need a road if it is on a river, no roads are needed as the river counts as the trade link. So long as there's access TO said river and the entire trade path is within contiguous culture to the river, they are 'hooked' up for us.
The main addition to this is that once sailing is researched, contiguous cultural borders are no longer needed so long as there's a combination of roads, coasts, and river attached to the tile itself (which is in cultural borders).
The flat north yellow road to silver town is better since the roads will delay jungle growth in that bare tile. A danger about chopping jungle is that we have no way to place an easy improvement to curb the growth of jungle back in the effing tile until civil.
Cheers!
-Liq
The main addition to this is that once sailing is researched, contiguous cultural borders are no longer needed so long as there's a combination of roads, coasts, and river attached to the tile itself (which is in cultural borders).
The flat north yellow road to silver town is better since the roads will delay jungle growth in that bare tile. A danger about chopping jungle is that we have no way to place an easy improvement to curb the growth of jungle back in the effing tile until civil.
Cheers!
-Liq
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
oh sorry DE - totally missed your report . I was basing my comments on rego's save.
Re road rule ... I havent' formally codified it but ... here goes ...
Road Rule
Examples:
Any of the yellow roads connecting the two top cities are valid.
The purple road is also valid.
Basically, any road network that is 4 tiles long is valid.
If you already have the roads layed down for the top two cities and you settle the bottom one, then work out a suitable way of connecting the 3rd city to the existing road network in as few a tiles as possible.
If you settle all 3 at the same time (ie before you start the road network), then something like red is valid.
. I was basing my comments on rego's save.Re road rule ... I havent' formally codified it but ... here goes ...
Road Rule
- City tiles are automatically connected to the road network
- Each city must be connected to the road network in as few a tiles as possible.
- Of the 8 tiles immediately surrounding each city, a maximum of 3 tiles can be roaded
- If there are 2 or more paths between a new city and the existing road network that qualify under (B) above, all of them are valid and it is at the decision of the player to select the appropriate pathway
- turn players that violate this stupid road rule will be flayed alive!
Spoiler :
Examples:
Any of the yellow roads connecting the two top cities are valid.
The purple road is also valid.
Basically, any road network that is 4 tiles long is valid.
If you already have the roads layed down for the top two cities and you settle the bottom one, then work out a suitable way of connecting the 3rd city to the existing road network in as few a tiles as possible.
If you settle all 3 at the same time (ie before you start the road network), then something like red is valid.
Liquidated
Goofed Up on Cough Syrup!
Ok Makes Sense. Screw photoshop then haha.
I see no reason to bulb math with the GS and would actually lean towards settling the GS over an academy for the first application of GPersonAbuse for the simple reason it gives us +1 hammer in addition to the nice beakers.
Cheers!
-Liq
I see no reason to bulb math with the GS and would actually lean towards settling the GS over an academy for the first application of GPersonAbuse for the simple reason it gives us +1 hammer in addition to the nice beakers.
Cheers!
-Liq
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
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got it! I prefer the academy at our capital.
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- Ruff - up
- CHEESE! - on deck
- Liquidated
- regoarrarr
- Diamondeye
got it! I prefer the academy at our capital.
Oh - now that is a great idea. I think my plan is to max growth, finish teching archery then head towards CoL and whip out our settler when we hit size 6 (ie tripple whip). That way I can put the hammers we are generating in to SH and the food we are currently storing into our settler (via the whip). This is an example of how to grow while building a settler
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