scenario editor?????

[dojoboy]

Its been a year for me. I preordered mine the day it (mac version) went gold. I believe it was 1/7/02 or 7/1/02 to those outside the U.S.

 

[Gottesfreunde]

Yeah, two things that really made the game fun (SMAC/X) was that if there was another nation getting too big for its digital britches you could get other nations to go to war against it without you having to do so yourself. This made espionage incredibly fun. Sometimes you'd get caught, but that was part of the fun too. Additionally, i really liked creating my own units. The ONLY thing i did not like about SMAC was that if you used a planet buster, the nation you used it against would NEVER speak to you again. When i hear or read all the talk of the advanced diplomatic functions in Civ III i just cringe. It is completely dummied down in my book. i can't help but wonder what the hell the creators were thinking. The game is addictive, in an OCD kind of way--but could have been so much more enjoyable with the graphics it has with the diplomatic functions of SMAC. When i first heard they were doing the game, i was excited as i thought there was no where to go but "better"--i thought it would be a matter of course to take the SMAC diplomacy model and build on it. Instead they created some mottled Hasbro version of diplomacy--an excruciating let down.

 

[nmcul]

You're right, you know: Civ 3 has the exact same number of diplomatic options as Civ 2 (we gained MPPs but lost cease fires). It's just that, to be blunt, rabid fanboy supporters of Civ 3 refuse to admit Civ 3's lack of progress in their blind trust.

 

[snoozz]

Being a poor college kid , i've not ever played SMAC or Civ 2, so all this bashing you do of a game i love makes me wonder how much greather these others are. Would they be worth putting forth the extra few bucks?

 

[ejday]

Originally posted by snoozz
Being a poor college kid , i've not ever played SMAC or Civ 2, so all this bashing you do of a game i love makes me wonder how much greather these others are. Would they be worth putting forth the extra few bucks?

Well... they're awfully similar. They're fundamentally the same concept, but when some people are steeped deep in the genre, the little tweaks make all the difference. It's not unlike two world-class sprinters debating the difference between "Nike" and "Asics" shoes. They do the same thing, in fundamentally the same way. The only difference is the "feel"... and what you're comfortable with.

So...? I'd find it on eBay or tinker on a friend's computer before shelling it out for it. Take me with a grain of salt though, I played Civ2 to death (made whole conversions for it). Also bought and played SMAC ad nauseum for a while, too. Fun, I'll admit, but not the be-all-end-all of this kind of game. There were even some things I loved about Civ:CTP that I wish Civ3 would just steal. Hopefully, they'll include some of these things for Civ4 (and MacSoft will port it with due dispatch).

 

[Sid]

SNOOZZ: if I were you, I'd save for a bit longer and get Masters of Orion III in the next month or so. You'd be getting state of the art programming on OS X. SMAC/X has been ported to a Public Beta by Brad Oliver, but it's a little unstable as you go up the tech tree. SMAC/X is a great game, but you'll miss some of the tweaks that Civ3 has been given; it is a much smoother game. Most of us miss two main things about SMAC/X: terraforming the planet; and the Unit Design Workshop. I'm sure there's other stuff, but these two are not part of Civ3, more's the pity.

You'll see various comments in these forums about MoO3, which has certain similarities to Civ games. Not sure how much it has been changed for the re-vamp, but MoO2 felt a bit like SMAC to me.

 

[dojoboy]

Originally posted by snoozz
Would they be worth putting forth the extra few bucks?

Aspyr Media for SMAC (Alpha Centauri) and SMACX (AC: Alien Crossfire). Definitely worth the money.

 

[Inventor_of_Mac]

a WEEK HAS PASSED WHERE DA **** IS THAT EDITOR?!

 

[nmcul]

Bashing? How was I bashing? I simply noted that Civ 3 doesn't actually provide more diplomatic venues than its predecessor, contrary to the claims of Firaxis and Civ 3's vocal supporters. I never said that Civ 3 was bad , or even not good. I can't see where you're going with this.

Oh, and I heard that there's a place where you can get Civ 2 for only shipping and handling; I've seen it, too, but I forgot where it is.

 

[easy]

nmcul, I'll say it for you, " Civ 3 is a big disappointment for all the hooplah that was givin it ". I own, play, and enjoy it alot, but there are still things that let me down. When and if the editor shows up, it will solve alot of problems. If I can get good at designing new units, the game will become totally different ( hopefully ). I'd like to see Civ IV be a coupling of Civ 3 and SMACX. 1>Change the government and unit design to SMAC style.
2>Leave or improve the resources from Civ 3.
3>Get rid of global warming except for massive nuclear strikes.
4>Introduce religion types to the game; jew, Christian, hindu, confusius, etc. for that civil war idea that's been posted.
That's all from me. EZ

 

[Grey Randall]

umm forgive the ignorance... what is SMACX?

 

[dojoboy]

Originally posted by Grey Randall
umm forgive the ignorance... what is SMACX?

SMACX (Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri: Alien Crossfire - X) is the expansion to Alpha Centauri (SMAC)- designed by Firaxis w/ Brian Reynolds (RoN) as the lead programmer. Great series.

A few posts up is a link to Aspyr Media where you can check it out and purchase it.

 

[Kinniken]

Originally posted by Inventor_of_Mac
a WEEK HAS PASSED WHERE DA **** IS THAT EDITOR?!

Well... after taking two weeks to convert the help files, I guess they just realised that the PC icon is only 32*32, and that they must create one at 128*128.
Don't worry though, one of their graphist is on the project, he should be able to start in two month when he is done with his current stuff. Of course, since the merger they are no longer exacly sure the guy is still employed, but if he's not they'll look for an other one in a few month, before deciding that Civ4 is just around the corner, and cancel the whole project before realising that they are not porting Civ4 for the mac anyway. Either that, or Apple will move to an intel platform, and the PPC editor will be obsolete. Something like that, anyway.
I predict we will get the editor in 2015, at which time PC users will be playing Civ10 or something.

And to think that Brad has had a working version for a few weeks now...

 

[Thunderfall]

What's taking so long, Brad? If you want to release the editor just email the Mac editor to me and I will make it available.

I have been following the status of the Mac editor since the beginning and I have to say Mac civers are "too" patient.

 

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by Thunderfall
What's taking so long, Brad? If you want to release the editor just email the Mac editor to me and I will make it available.

If that were in my power, I would have posted it to my own website a while back.

 

[dojoboy]

Originally posted by Thunderfall

I have been following the status of the Mac editor since the beginning and I have to say Mac civers are "too" patient.

Thanks for your Thunderfall. We try to encourage one another, to keep our spirits up.

 

[senecasax]

Any word at all?

 

[Daelda]

anyone have the SMAX Carbon? I have SMAC only, and recently got given the Alien Crossfire.

 

[gfeier]

Originally posted by senecasax
Any word at all?

Well, there is a phone no. on the Destineer site - (952) 697-6000. I called early last week, but things were in a state of flux just then. They probably have more info now. Guess I'll try them again when I get a chance. If you're really impatient, you might want to give them a call yourself.

 

[dojoboy]

Originally posted by ferretloverdc
anyone have the SMAX Carbon? I have SMAC only, and recently got given the Alien Crossfire.

I've got it. Email me your e-address again. I don't have it at home.

If you get it working, let me know. I never really tried it in OS X. Maybe we can team up in a MP game?