SCENARIO: The Napoleonic Wars Mk. II

[Procifica]

I can't remember if the Second Partition was 1792 or 1793 actually, but looking at your map trip, it looks like 1792.

 

[Steph]

Originally posted by Trip
I've got a great program which gives me the exact map from any month from 1792 until 1815.

I think it may be time to get an archive of good images of uniforms going again. What uniforms do you think would be good representatives for the smaller minor nations which don't have their own easily-found uniforms?

Why should they have not easily found uniforms ?

The only one I don't have I think is Ottoman empire

 

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Steph
I could give the details of regiments, but here are some figures
Bavaria : 30 000 troops
Wurtemberg : 12 000 troops
Mecklemburg - Schwerin: 1900 troops
Mecklembourg - Strelitz : 400 troops
Wurzburg : 1 inf rgt, 1 cav rgt,
Baden : 8 000 troops,
Saxony: 15 inf rgt, 8 cav rgt.

So I would suggest to keep Bavaria, Saxony, then Wurtemberg and Baden, but not Mecklemburg, Wurzurg or Koln.
It's nice to have several German states, but I'm afraid they are to many of them right now.

They still exist, whether they had 1 200 troops or 120 000. It's better than forming "fake" states that didn't really exist. If you have any alternative states which had a bigger army, I'd be glad to change things.

 

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Procifica
I can't remember if the Second Partition was 1792 or 1793 actually, but looking at your map trip, it looks like 1792.

It was actually "completed" in 1793.

Which reminds me that I have to change things. When I first made the map, I was looking at a map during the middle of the war which led to the Second Partition.

 

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Steph
Why should they have not easily found uniforms ?

The only one I don't have I think is Ottoman empire

True, but part of the reason the scenario stopped moving was because my unit creator went AWOL.

 

[Jon Shafer]

Okay, a couple things for people out there watching:

Troop numbers -
If someone (everyone ) has any information on nations' troop numbers (and regiment/division/corps organization and location) in 1792, 1805 and 1812, I would greatly appreciate it. I could probably find this information on my own, but there's probably someone out there who can find it faster and easier.

Second, Naples -
What should I do with the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies? I've seen a variety of sources which have had Naples-Sicily under Spain, under Austria, under its own crown favoring one of the two nations, even completely independent, etc. What I need is a definitive answer as to what I should do with the country - whether it should be independent or not, or whether it should be part of one of the Habsburg countries.

Keep in mind here that diplomacy is very limited. So if Naples is very close with Spain, for example, modelling Naples as a seperate country hurts the scenario's accuracy more than helps it, since there's no way to set diplomacy in the game and Naples wouldn't know Spain from Sweden.

 

[Yoda Power]

On Naples: As far as i remember, under the 14 years war(1701-1715) Naples was conquerd by Austria, and i think it was reconquerd by Spain in 1735(im not sure, i havent looked it up), one thing i know from sure is that Naples were under controll of Spain in 1782. So i think that Naples should be a part of Spain, but give me some hours, then i will be home, where i can get more information on the subject.

 

[Procifica]

I remember that Naples and some of the other "duchies" in Italy became "independent" under some relatives of the Spanish monarch, starting in 1735 till 1759. I'm not sure though if any of these reverted later to Spain or Austria.

 

[Steph]

About troop numbers, check your old scenario thread, you will get regiments number for most of the major countries

 

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Yoda Power
On Naples: As far as i remember, under the 14 years war(1701-1715) Naples was conquerd by Austria, and i think it was reconquerd by Spain in 1735(im not sure, i havent looked it up), one thing i know from sure is that Naples were under controll of Spain in 1782. So i think that Naples should be a part of Spain, but give me some hours, then i will be home, where i can get more information on the subject.

That sounds familiar and (as you can see from my map), that's what my belief was as well. Please let me know what you find out.

 

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Steph
About troop numbers, check your old scenario thread, you will get regiments number for most of the major countries

I knew it seemed like déjà vu somehow. I'll check those out in the other thread tomorrow (being that it's 4:15am here... ).

 

[Rocoteh]

Naples was independent 1735-1798.
OK, that`s in theory. De facto it should be Spanish.

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by Trip
I knew it seemed like déjà vu somehow. I'll check those out in the other thread tomorrow (being that it's 4:15am here... ).

funny i always thought you were german

 

[Procifica]

Alright, regarding the Kingdom of Naples. Naples was conquered by Spain in 1735, the conquest was recognized by Austria in 1738. Until 1759, Naples was ruled directly by the Spanish crown. Naples was then ruled by a branch line of the Bourbons of Spain until 1798. As Rocoteh stated, they essentially can be thought of as Spanish.

The more proper name was "The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies".

In 1798 the French revolutionary army set up a republic. In 1799 the Bourbons were restored by Lord Nelson. In 1806 Napoleon drove the Bourbons out of Naples, who fled to Sicily. First Joseph Bonaparte, then Murat, ruled Naples. Murat was executed in 1815 and control passed to Ferdinand I, who crowned himself King of the Two Sicilies in 1816.

Hope this helps trip. I'd make the area Spanish for 1792 and 1805, and French for 1812.

 

[Yoda Power]

I think "The Two Sicilies" first became the name in 1815.

 

[Procifica]

Well, the encyclopedia article I read mentioned that as the name for it starting in the 1500's. It didn't specifically state its name for 1735-1798.

 

[Jon Shafer]

Kind of the difference between Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary. I think Yoda Power is right, and "Kingdom of the Two Sicilies" wasn't used until later. During this time period it's just "Naples" and "Sicily."

Thanks for the info on Naples Procifica. I was pretty sure I had things right (Naples-Sicily-Sardinia) under Spain, but I had to make sure since things like that changed so much during that time.

 

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Yoda Power


funny i always thought you were german

German American, but that's about it.

 

[Jon Shafer]

The population of Russia is going to be short about 5 million people, mainly because I have no where good to put them. I could add more cities in the interior (I've already added a half dozen new ones), but they won't produce anything, and I don't feel there's any need to.

All the other countries seem to be matching up well population-wise. All cities are on the map with almost all tile improvements and buildings placed. All I've got left is units, techs, and general "polishing" and balancing of things.

 

[Stormbringer]

glad to hear this....and also you might add some cities for Russia, it will not help them, but simulate the huge empire, and the inefectivness of the small cities in asia