Scientific Leader Names suggestions
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Nahuixtelotzin
Huey Tlatoani
They'll never learn.
Xen: I know, but Firaxis included Italian scientists in the Roman list I kept it that way.
Ribannah
Fighter Druid
What rubbish again!
Three Feathers: Mohawks and Oneida have three eagle feathers in their kastoweh, so in theory the English could mean somebody of these tribes by this, but there's nobody famous by that name. Oh, there is the Three feathers research foundation, maybe that was their inspiration.
Old Smoke: there was a Seneca by that name, but he was a warrior, not a scientist.
Guyasuta: another seneca warrior who fought in the American revolution. Apparently they stumbled onto this link:
http://www.allegheny-online.com/senecapeople3.html
Here are some real Iroquois scientists / scholars:
Ely S. Parker
Oronhyatekha
Oren Lyons
Taiaiake Alfred
Clifton A. Poodry
Ribannah
Fighter Druid
That should be spelled Anton Brugmans and Frans van Schooten.
Sorely missing are:
Luitzen Brouwer
Willem Kolff
Hans Lippershey
Jan Tinbergen
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
A lot of words with 'Qu' are said as a 'K' sound, such as Tourniquet (Tor - Ni - Kay or sometimes Ter - Ni -Kay), Quetzalcoatl (or how ever you spell it) and a lot of medieval words.
Gotta love the irregularity of the English language. 
Gotta love the irregularity of the English language.
Nahuixtelotzin
Huey Tlatoani
Especially when it comes to originally French words like "Tourniquet"Originally posted by Mongoloid Cow
civilleader
Prince
What about the Indian Science leaders?
I would add:
Aryabatta (inventor of the zero)
Bose (important astronomer. Bose-Einsteinian limit was his work)
I would add:
Aryabatta (inventor of the zero)
Bose (important astronomer. Bose-Einsteinian limit was his work)
Rufus T. Firefly
Rufus is coming in town!
I think that we, the Italians, are the heirs of Romans, no? Italy still is the country more "romanized" in the world: our laws are derived by roman right, our language is about 80% latin and we still use romans road. So, this is the reason that Civ3 hasn't include Italy but Rome.
Only an examples: Lucretius (latin) is Lucrezio!
Now:
Marconi was Guglielmo. (William)
Some add:
Antonio Meucci (telephon inventor)
Galileo Ferraris (electrical engine)
Archimedes (Siracusa is in Italy, no?)
Leonardo Fibonacci (see Fibonacci numbers and rabbits, also gold ratio!)
Alessandro Volta (batteries)
Amedeo Avogadro (chemistry)
Giuseppe Ravizza (typewriter)
Giulio Natta (propylene)
If you want some cultural:
Dante Alighieri
Alessandro Manzoni
Cesare Beccaria (Penal right)
S. Augustin
S Francesco
S. Benedetto
Plautus
Portugal
Anthony of Padua - http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainta01.htm
Pedro Nunez - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11163a.htm
Enricho Swarez who is this guy? -> edited: I searched and if I am not mistaken he was the first Portuguese Catholic Missionary in Brasil (in nowadays Portuguese is Henrique Soares)
I think they missed this one:
Egas Moniz - http://almaz.com/nobel/medicine/1949b.html
http://www.uic.edu/depts/mcne/founders/page0064.html
Anthony of Padua - http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainta01.htm
Pedro Nunez - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11163a.htm
Enricho Swarez who is this guy? -> edited: I searched and if I am not mistaken he was the first Portuguese Catholic Missionary in Brasil (in nowadays Portuguese is Henrique Soares)
I think they missed this one:
Egas Moniz - http://almaz.com/nobel/medicine/1949b.html
http://www.uic.edu/depts/mcne/founders/page0064.html
NO!
the modern US acts more like Rome in every possible aspect.
so is the rest of the westen world
and the other Romance languages count for nothing?
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ROme has an utterlly differnt culturte, and history from the of Modern italy, modern Italy being a barbarian state in descedence- there are NO political ties to the Roman empire other then sharing the sites of cities.
further more look at culture- you claim ROman culture as that of your own, yet you never embrace it- if you did perhaps Italy would still be the master of europe.
when was the last time Italy even built a monument, or goverment structure in the roman style?
just how much is the modern Italian governement base don the ancient Roman institutions?
when was the last time Italy was the great power?
when was the last time Italy even exibited a shadow of ROman glory?
hell, facts as they are, the U.S has a better claim to being the heir to Roman culture and power then Italy, and modern Rome itself!
(as a side note, I can probabley claim more succesfully to be Roman then you can- I my self am of firm Italian blood from Veii, and Rome- www.novaroma.org - and soon, I will join these fellows in becoming a true modern Roman)
Rufus T. Firefly
Rufus is coming in town!
@Xen:
the modern US acts more like Rome in every possible aspect.
so is the rest of the westen world
and the other Romance languages count for nothing?
ok, I agree that more of the western world is based on Roman ideals, but not all. You must recognize that Italy, France and south Germany are more romanized than England (what was Vallum Adrianii?)
Rome has an utterlly differnt culturte, and history from the of Modern italy, modern Italy being a barbarian state in descedence- there are NO political ties to the Roman empire other then sharing the sites of cities.
further more look at culture- you claim ROman culture as that of your own, yet you never embrace it- if you did perhaps Italy would still be the master of europe.
when was the last time Italy even built a monument, or goverment structure in the roman style?
If you think that oldest government is a distintion 4 a culture and a people, we must still have only monarchy and chiefdom, no?
Create a copy of an ancient monument is not a great progress on a country culture, is like to copy lyrics made by another singer or poetry by another poet. Shakespear was different from Plautus, for our lucky!
just how much is the modern Italian governement base don the ancient Roman institutions?
I think that if we are a Republic, with a parliament divided in Senate and Chamber of deputis, with a division of powers (ok, this is made by JJ Russeau) is more similar to the Roman Republic system than wasn't the civ gov ones.
when was the last time Italy was the great power?
when was the last time Italy even exibited a shadow of Roman glory?
Shadow of Roman glory? Great power? This remembers me Fascist propaganda, with his declaration of Italian empire and his stupid ideas. I think that if a country is important only for its armies, my God! Do you remember Stalin: "The Pope? How many armies has he?"
And why was created UN? Ok, some country don't respect this great institution and create walls, other attack other countries without world consense, but I think that is still important, no? If we use international right (derived by Roman ones), is better that begin wars...
hell, facts as they are, the U.S has a better claim to being the heir to Roman culture and power then Italy, and modern Rome itself!
US roman? Which is the roman that come on America? If I remember, only discendents from Frenchs, Spanishs, Dutchs, Englishs and Portugueses are now on America, or not?Oh, also some slaves from Africa, if I rember. In here is right, US is like romans: slavery is a great institution on Rome, but not in Italy since 1000. I don't remember that Cesare came to Washington.
BTW, America was discovered by an Italian, Cristoforo Colombo. Ok, now you can say that he was not italian but Spanish or Portuguese, but on Genova there is the born act of Cristoforo in cities archives.
And on US you use common law, no? It is more different than Giustinian code, the base of civil law: Rome is based on its right and this is the most important symbol of its culture.
(as a side note, I can probabley claim more succesfully to be Roman then you can- I my self am of firm Italian blood from Veii, and Rome- www.novaroma.org - and soon, I will join these fellows in becoming a true modern Roman)
Say me this, I'm born in Verona and I see the Arena every day!
I don't think that nostalgia is equals to heritance: if they are soviet nostalgics, they aren't the true Russians and, if in Germany there are some nazi, he's the true German?
Italy is changed, but we have 2756 years of history so, if in about 500 years you become an indipendent state from colonies, it's normal that some changement has occurred on our society.
For blood, this:
is more similar to this:
or this?
Finally, I won't offend you and begin a word war
but I must explain my ideas and you too.
the modern US acts more like Rome in every possible aspect.
so is the rest of the westen world
and the other Romance languages count for nothing?
ok, I agree that more of the western world is based on Roman ideals, but not all. You must recognize that Italy, France and south Germany are more romanized than England (what was Vallum Adrianii?)
Rome has an utterlly differnt culturte, and history from the of Modern italy, modern Italy being a barbarian state in descedence- there are NO political ties to the Roman empire other then sharing the sites of cities.
further more look at culture- you claim ROman culture as that of your own, yet you never embrace it- if you did perhaps Italy would still be the master of europe.
when was the last time Italy even built a monument, or goverment structure in the roman style?
If you think that oldest government is a distintion 4 a culture and a people, we must still have only monarchy and chiefdom, no?
Create a copy of an ancient monument is not a great progress on a country culture, is like to copy lyrics made by another singer or poetry by another poet. Shakespear was different from Plautus, for our lucky!
just how much is the modern Italian governement base don the ancient Roman institutions?
I think that if we are a Republic, with a parliament divided in Senate and Chamber of deputis, with a division of powers (ok, this is made by JJ Russeau) is more similar to the Roman Republic system than wasn't the civ gov ones.
when was the last time Italy was the great power?
when was the last time Italy even exibited a shadow of Roman glory?
Shadow of Roman glory? Great power? This remembers me Fascist propaganda, with his declaration of Italian empire and his stupid ideas. I think that if a country is important only for its armies, my God! Do you remember Stalin: "The Pope? How many armies has he?"
And why was created UN? Ok, some country don't respect this great institution and create walls, other attack other countries without world consense, but I think that is still important, no? If we use international right (derived by Roman ones), is better that begin wars...
hell, facts as they are, the U.S has a better claim to being the heir to Roman culture and power then Italy, and modern Rome itself!
US roman? Which is the roman that come on America? If I remember, only discendents from Frenchs, Spanishs, Dutchs, Englishs and Portugueses are now on America, or not?Oh, also some slaves from Africa, if I rember. In here is right, US is like romans: slavery is a great institution on Rome, but not in Italy since 1000. I don't remember that Cesare came to Washington.
BTW, America was discovered by an Italian, Cristoforo Colombo. Ok, now you can say that he was not italian but Spanish or Portuguese, but on Genova there is the born act of Cristoforo in cities archives.
And on US you use common law, no? It is more different than Giustinian code, the base of civil law: Rome is based on its right and this is the most important symbol of its culture.
(as a side note, I can probabley claim more succesfully to be Roman then you can- I my self am of firm Italian blood from Veii, and Rome- www.novaroma.org - and soon, I will join these fellows in becoming a true modern Roman)
Say me this, I'm born in Verona and I see the Arena every day!
I don't think that nostalgia is equals to heritance: if they are soviet nostalgics, they aren't the true Russians and, if in Germany there are some nazi, he's the true German?
Italy is changed, but we have 2756 years of history so, if in about 500 years you become an indipendent state from colonies, it's normal that some changement has occurred on our society.
For blood, this:
is more similar to this:
or this?
Finally, I won't offend you and begin a word war
but I must explain my ideas and you too.
Rufus T. Firefly
Rufus is coming in town!
oh, only double click
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
I opened a thread like this the day before. Guess I should've opended it on the Conquests forum 
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69716
Here is a list for the Celts:
Laidcenn Mac Baith
Cenn Faelad
Banban of Kildare
St Adamnan
Johannes Scottus Eriugena
Sedulius Scottus
Giraldus Cambrensis
Johannes Duns Scotus
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69716
Here is a list for the Celts:
Laidcenn Mac Baith
Cenn Faelad
Banban of Kildare
St Adamnan
Johannes Scottus Eriugena
Sedulius Scottus
Giraldus Cambrensis
Johannes Duns Scotus
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
Lucretius
Strabo
Sosigenes
Scribonius Largus
Pliny the Elder
Soranus
Galen
Claudius Ptolemaeus
Sextus Empiricus
Iamblichus
Strabo
Sosigenes
Scribonius Largus
Pliny the Elder
Soranus
Galen
Claudius Ptolemaeus
Sextus Empiricus
Iamblichus
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
Yeah, maybe. I have my doubts, but I guess if you're Italian.
As long as you don't deny it to Bell that is
going by that, it means the Romania is more ROman then Britain as well- Romanization dose not come from territry, bt from cultue- as such, I would give claim that Britain is more Roman then Germany, and france- but in the world stage, bears a closer proximity to the Greeks of old.
not creating a copy- but creating it in the same style os what I mean- if italy was a modern ROme, one would think it would embrace its own culutre a bit more firmlly
your system is more like the British was, the the Roman way
Originally posted by Rufus T.Firefly
Shadow of Roman glory? Great power? This remembers me Fascist propaganda, with his declaration of Italian empire and his stupid ideas. I think that if a country is important only for its armies, my God! Do you remember Stalin: "The Pope? How many armies has he?"
if your going to claim to be a modern Rome then the nationa claiming it going to have to act like in culture, and in politics
- you'll even notiuce the two Roman political parties, the Optimates, and the Populares are strinking similer to the Republicans, and the Democrates (go democrats!
)in culture- well I think its rather obvious what similirties ROma and modern American culture hold
the UN was created to help solve problems before they evolved into conflict, but with its current organization, it is uneffective.
Originally posted by Rufus T.Firefly
US roman? Which is the roman that come on America? If I remember, only French, Spanish, Dutch, English and Portuguese are now on America, or not?Oh, also some slave from Africa, if I rember. In here is right, US is like romans: slavery is a great institution on Rome, but not in Italy since 1000. I don't remember that Cesare came to Washington.
BTW, America was discovered by an Italian, Cristoforo Colombo. Ok, now you can say that he was not italian but Spanish or Portuguese, but on Genova there is the born act of Cristoforo in cities archives.
Italians of the middle ages and upwards are not Romans.
as for the U.S being a modern ROme- well, you arnt from the U.S, so can hardley expect you to know it, but the ENTIRE base of U.S law, and the political system is directley based on that of the Roman republic- hell, even the senate, and the house of representitives was orginonally going to be organized the same way as the Roman senate, and Plebian assembley.
look at washingtons architecture- I think you will see an odd resemblence to the Roman way, and indeed, even the latest monument, a dedication to world war to is being built in the classical style- in a prominent position between the Jefferson Monument, and the Washington monument
as for Italians not being in america- you are in bad need of a visit to the nporth east, around the New York area - most of the inhabitents are Italain, Irish, or of assorted nationalities, but of the jewish faith- and good deal along trhe eastern sea bord- there a LOT of Italain descendents here my freind
Originally posted by Rufus T.Firefly
Say me this, I'm born in Verona and I see the Arena every day!
I live in Daytone (well technically, right above it), and I see the raceway- the American version of the Circus Maximus every day!
did not Rome free itself from Etruscan rule to quicklly become the masters of Italy? Was Rome itself, by its own legends, not founded of the greek hertige, and in some ways a colony of them (Romulus and remus were descended from Aneas, a surviving Prince of the Trojan war)
as for germans and such- well, yes, it dose in a way- but considering that Russia only became a real state in the late meddle ages, and germany only a nation in the imperial era (before that it was the name of a region of land, not a nation)
it allows for a rather brod including of differnt ways to be german, or Russian (besides, nazi stands for somthing along the line of nationalist -somthing (socialist perhaps)-german- worker
)Rome ended with Constantine.
as for your pictures- Bush (how I hate the man! ) is not of itlaian descendence- therfore your pictures are not fare why dont you Bring up a picture of an American-italian, and see the resmblence (besides, I have a cousin who looks like Caracalla!)
) is not of itlaian descendence- therfore your pictures are not fare why dont you Bring up a picture of an American-italian, and see the resmblence (besides, I have a cousin who looks like Caracalla!)
Tavenier
King
It is said before, but the one missing that SHOULD be in there maybe only second to Huygens is Anthonie van Leeuwenhoek.
And if you add not only inventors and scientists, but also great artists and other important people, then Erasmus would be the obvious choice.
Maybe one day great cultural leaders will be added. I don't know if leader is a good word then. Maybe pioneer, or something. Holland could have Rembrandt, Erasmus, van Gogh, Vermeer, M.C Escher and so on.
For other countries you could have Michelangelo, Picasso, Dali, Jesus (
), Bach, John Lennon!, Muhammed and for the USA Dolly Parton, haha.Maybe it gives a boost in culture for your civ or capital and maybe you ain one after finishing 10 cathedrals or a cultural wonder, or something.
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
Roman culture never came to an end. The barbarian invasions of the Germans and the Arabs spilt Roman civilization along three different lines 1) Catholic 2) Orthodox and 3) Islamic. Parts of Roman civilization survived in all three. Catholic (including Protestant) civilizations preserved Rome's language, Orthodox civilizations preserved Rome's political culture, Islamic civilization preserved Roman baths and mosaic art. Its the same for regional variations too. Arguing who is the true descendent of Rome is a complete waste of time.
And Xen, Rome did not end with Constantine. Pagan Rome probably did, but Constantine was the real beginning (well, Jesus was really) of Christian Rome. Both, however, are still Rome!
And Xen, Rome did not end with Constantine. Pagan Rome probably did, but Constantine was the real beginning (well, Jesus was really) of Christian Rome. Both, however, are still Rome!
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