What should we buid in our new city? Naturally it depends on where we'll settle. If we have a 3 food tile, we should build a warrior first for fogbusting in my opinion. If we don't have a 3 food tile, but we do have a good production/food tile, we might want to build a worker first to help improve the surroundings.
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I tend to let new cities grow to size 2 while building a warrior, but I don't really know if it's a good or bad approach.
ordinaryguy
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I feel that there is an exception. If it takes more than 10 turns to grow to size 2, then I will build a worker first. Or if a warrior and worker take the same number of turns, I would build the worker first to develop the city faster.
I tend to agree with this. I'm in the camp that usually builds a warrior first, but it's really important that we get this city developed ASAP, and that suggests producing a worker first may be the wisest course.
After the worker is built I suggest farming a floodplain then mining the gold.
ice2k4
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I'm pretty impartial to building worker first or warrior first. They both have their advantages. I'll be sending the first worker over to the second city shortly though.
This I agree too. Besides, our capitol can build workers a lot faster due to the improved tiles where the second city would take 15 to 20 turns.
ice2k4
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I might let the worker mine the forest hill (and chop of course) so production increases there, before it's released to the second city.
ordinaryguy
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ordinaryguy
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how about roads?
Edit: Ops, just checked the save and we don't have The Wheel yet......
Falcon02
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how about roads?
Edit: Ops, just checked the save and we don't have The Wheel yet......
err... we don't???
Coulda sworn we it was one of our starting techs.
EDIT:
Tech Tree for 2400 BC Seers conversation We've got the wheel. Only thing different from that image now are research times, and the fact we know Animal Husbandry.
ordinaryguy
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Ops. I was just having one of those......
But the question remains. What about roads?
IME I don't build roads at first and will wait until they are needed, such as:
- Health/Happiness Resources: I don't connect them until the city is large enough to require them. Take for instance a size 2 city that currently tops out at 5
, what reason justifies taking time right now to connect resources? - Multiple Cities: If I'm about to build an additional city that is not on my trade network I will look for the quickest way to hook it up. I don't necessarily build a road between the two cities, just enough to connect them for the trade
. - Tiles: I can't stand a city working unimproved tiles, its a waste of citizens. I'd rather a worker be improving current or future tiles than building a road that isn't immediately needed. I prefer to stay at least one improved tile ahead of my population. If I'm ahead enough I'll build a road, but only if I have the time.
Basically I improve the terrain first and don't start roading until the worker has nothing else that's more important to do. There are exceptions, but the above is my primary concern.
Official Elder thread is up. Discussion should continue here though.
I'm currently thinking of building a warrior while working the flood plains for food.
I'm currently thinking of building a warrior while working the flood plains for food.
ordinaryguy
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IME I don't build roads at first and will wait until they are needed, such as:
- Health/Happiness Resources: I don't connect them until the city is large enough to require them. Take for instance a size 2 city that currently tops out at 5
- Multiple Cities: If I'm about to build an additional city that is not on my trade network I will look for the quickest way to hook it up. I don't necessarily build a road between the two cities, just enough to connect them for the trade
- Tiles: I can't stand a city working unimproved tiles, its a waste of citizens. I'd rather a worker be improving current or future tiles than building a road that isn't immediately needed. I prefer to stay at least one improved tile ahead of my population. If I'm ahead enough I'll build a road, but only if I have the time.
Basically I improve the terrain first and don't start roading until the worker has nothing else that's more important to do. There are exceptions, but the above is my primary concern.
Of course. But as our second city is going to be a commerce city, it will most likely be low in production. Thus we need roads to move over troops to defend it from any possible attack. But the roads could be built later......
I agree that improvements should come first. After all, the AI wouldn't attack THAT soon.
ordinaryguy
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With horses and gold improved, we should get like 8/turn. That's enough production IMO.
Of course, 8 production is sufficient for the early game. But how about later in the game? I think that its production would dwarf that of other major cities.
Well, when our empire gets bigger, this city won't be a border city anymore and won't need a lot of military units.
You said you wanted a road to bring in units, these units are only needed in the early game, and can be produced easily in the early game.
You said you wanted a road to bring in units, these units are only needed in the early game, and can be produced easily in the early game.
