Seer: Next tech @2080BC

[DaveShack]

I think 2080 is the right year.

We just learned pottery. I have somewhere to go right now but thought we should get this discussion started so a poll will have time if its needed. Someone please post the available techs and time to completion assuming the current economy.

 

[grant2004]

The list of available techs is:

Fishing: 4 turns
Writing: 9 turns
Horseback Riding: 22 turns
Archery: 5 turns
Mysticism: 5 turns
Masonry: 7 turns
Iron Working: 18 turns
Metal Casting: 40 turns

I don't know what people's preferences for techs are but if we pick one of those short techs we might want to decide on two for the next turnchat so that a good number of turns may be played.

 

[Falcon02]

I say Writing.

 

[Methos]

I say Writing.

I agree. Writing will allow us to sign OB's which means possible religious influence, trade routes, and better relations. We also gain the ability to build libraries which should be a definite build IMO in Falcon's Haven. Plus, Writing is in route to Alphabet and being the first to Alphabet has some major advantages.

 

[mike6426]

I believe that mysticism could be a good choice, as we could use one of its paths to get to priesthood. This adds speed to writing, and opens temples (for religious preference) and the Oracle.

 

[dutchfire]

Writing, then Alphabet.

 

[grant2004]

I'd agree with the idea of writing followed by alphabet, I believe there were a number of supporters for that in the previous discussion and because we have met two AI's being the first civ capable of tech trading will allow us to quickly gather the cheaper techs that we have missed by acting as a middle man between our two neighbors.

 

[donsig]

Writing for now, any old writing will do. Perhaps later we'll figure ouot an easier way to write.

 

[NKVD]

Man i never play with tech trading...I dont even know which tech we need to do that. I shall pass every discussion on that matter

but i would go with writing and alphabet.

try to take over a religion could be nice too

 

[Shattered]

I agree with writing as of now, but archery needs to come soon. We have three... ahem, I repeat, THREE aggressive civs as neighbors. If we don't get some city defense up soon, they're gonna kick our butts.

 

[FeedBack]

I agree with writing as of now, but archery needs to come soon. We have three... ahem, I repeat, THREE aggressive civs as neighbors. If we don't get some city defense up soon, they're gonna kick our butts.

Not likely. It's easier for us to declare on them earlier than that. Archery is, indeed, necessary. For Keshiks, at least. But it may be delayed.
Writing is, indeed again, a really good tech. But I'd chase the Oracle now. My proposed strategy should be:
Myst -> Poly -> Priesthood -> Writing -> Alphabet.
Oh, and grab CoL with the Oracle. It's safe. If we avoid Masonry, the Oracle will generate a Great Prophet (speeded with a hired priest) to Lightbulb Civil Service later on.

So, replying to the post.... Next tech: Mysticism.

Edit: Oh, and one more thing... I say Poly because it opens Literature and the Great Library after Alphabet...

 

[grant2004]

I like Fb's idea of going for the oracle, a few of us have been pushing for that strategy for a few turns, however I believe the tech trading bonus we can get from Alphabet will allow us to get the oracle faster. (We'll be able to trade for the early religion techs that he suggests researching now)

Also I would agree that when we get around to the religion techs we should get polytheism. The great library would be a great wonder for falcon's haven, our commerce/tech city.

 

[Bertie]

I'm on the fence between Writing -> Alphabet and fbelintani's suggested path of Myst -> Poly -> Priesthood -> Writing -> Alphabet.

If we plan to build the Oracle (something we've discussed in several threads but haven't voted on) we'll have to eventually begin to build it, which requires Priesthood. How long can we delay the discovery of Priesthood and still have a reasonable chance of building the Oracle before another Civ? The strategy behind researching Alphabet is we'll then be able to trade for all the techs we need to start the Oracle. But what if we find we can trade for only Mysticism and have to self-research Poly & Priesthood? Will that put us behind in the Oracle race?

BTW, do we want to use the Oracle to discover Code of Laws or Civil Service? We've discussed the pros and cons of this in a couple of threads, but I don't believe we've decided on which approach to take, and this of course affects our research path too.

Anyway, I'm leaning towards Writing; then bee-line to Priesthood so we can begin work on the Oracle.

 

[FeedBack]

BTW, do we want to use the Oracle to discover Code of Laws or Civil Service? We've discussed the pros and cons of this in a couple of threads, but I don't believe we've decided on which approach to take, and this of course affects our research path too.

Anyway, I'm leaning towards Writing; then bee-line to Priesthood so we can begin work on the Oracle.

Well, I say we need to define it soon. Why? If we want to discover Civil Service with the oracle, the path should be:
Writing -> Myst -> Poly -> Priesthood -> (Start the Oracle) -> CoL

Actually, I think this is kinda risky. We went too deep in the other branches of the tech tree. The Civil Service slingshot should be almost a bee-line.

If we want CoL (what I strongly support), the path should be:
Myst -> Poly -> Priesthood -> (Start the Oracle) -> Writing

Why that? We need some time to build the Oracle, so going Writing and then bee-line to Priesthood is a risk not worth IMHO if we are not going for CS. But, if we are going to CS, we need Libraries to boost research to get CoL before the Oracle finishes. I still think the safest route is CoL and lightbulb CS with the Prophet. If we build a temple in the Oracle city and hire a priest it will give us 5 GPP/turn. In about 20 turns we can lightbulb CS. It's almost the same time to research CoL by ourselves. The only downside on this is that we cannot research masonry.

Another thing to consider... If we go to alphabet first and trade for the religion techs we will need:
Writing (120 ) + Alphabet (300 ) + Trade for Myst (1 turn) + Trade for Meditation / Poly (1 turn) + Trade for Priesthood (1 turn) = 420 + 3 turns.

If we go the religious path we will need:
Mysticism (50 ) + Polytheism (100 ) + Priesthood (60 ) + Writing (120 ) = 330 only.

There are another pros to the religious path... We will have a bonus to research Writing (for having Priesthood) and we will not run into an eventually civ building the wonder (Parthenon or the Oracle) and not wanting to trade the tech.

That's just my argumentation. The majority is saying Alphabet route, and majority is .

 

[Methos]

Another thing to consider... If we go to alphabet first and trade for the religion techs we will need:
Writing (120 ) + Alphabet (300 ) + Trade for Myst (1 turn) + Trade for Meditation / Poly (1 turn) + Trade for Priesthood (1 turn) = 420 + 3 turns.

If we go the religious path we will need:
Mysticism (50 ) + Polytheism (100 ) + Priesthood (60 ) + Writing (120 ) = 330 only.

Don't forget all the additional benefits we'd get by going the Alphabet route. We wouldn't only trade for Mysticism, Meditation, and Priesthood. Plus, getting to Alphabet first increases our advantage over the other nations.

Consider this, we get Alpha first we're able to trade techs in such a way to gain a strong advantage over everyone else. If we put it off and let the AI's get to it first, by the time we do learn it we won't have near the advantage and won't be able to get as good of deals or as many techs. Basically if they have Alpha, they'll trade techs around so by the time we get it, everyone will probably have near the same techs as everyone else does.

Getting to Alpha first IMO is a good way to gain a quick advantage and boost in the technology field.

 

[FeedBack]

I can't say you're wrong, Methos, but I still don't think getting alpha this early will help us that much.
We cannot guarantee to get the techs on trade. The only one I think we can certainly trade for is Mysticism. The others are a gamble at this stage.
Well, but it's Prince Vanilla AI. I think the Oracle will still be available, even if we get Alpha first. Let's say... If Gandhi has marble, he's gonna get the Oracle. But it would be a very bad dice roll.

 

[fed1943]

Writing,first, for all the posted reasons and because libraries are needed to get
the cities'radii, but in capital.

After alphabet or iron; I'll prefer alpha, as both have some risk.

Best regards,

 

[Lockesdonkey]

Mysticism. My God, we haven't even founded a religion yet? What's wrong with us, eh? Sure, the army's a good way to project power. But there are other methods as well. Religion is one of them.

 

[ordinaryguy]

I agree with writing as of now, but archery needs to come soon. We have three... ahem, I repeat, THREE aggressive civs as neighbors. If we don't get some city defense up soon, they're gonna kick our butts.

We still have at least 25+ turns before having to worry. Their units still have to travel down here and most likely, we'll outnumber them.

 

[ordinaryguy]

Mysticism. My God, we haven't even founded a religion yet? What's wrong with us, eh? Sure, the army's a good way to project power. But there are other methods as well. Religion is one of them.

Buddhism has been taken and so has Hinduism (I think) so Judaism will also fall soon. So I think that this is a rather risk route because we aren't financial.