Select from a list of 4 religions when you get a religious tech

[thehouse]

I wished that when you researched theology or polytheism for example a list of 3 or 4 religions would come up for you to choose from. That way you could include some 30 religions without having to reblance the game since only 7 from the list would be in anyone game.

 

[Crayton]

What would be the difference?
Will other civilizations have the same option (with one less choice).

 

[thehouse]

when you get polytheism you could choose either the Hindu, Norse, Roman, or Japanese polytheistic religion.
But when you get monotheism you can choose either say worship of the Eqyptian or Sumeria Sun god or Judaism.
Getting meditation would allow say either Buddhism or Jainism
Many people are complaining that some major religious like Jainism or the cult Quetzelquatl are not in the game. This way they can be added with little effort and without rebalancing the game.

 

[MRM]

when you get polytheism you could choose either the Hindu, Norse, Roman, or Japanese polytheistic religion.
But when you get monotheism you can choose either say worship of the Eqyptian or Sumeria Sun god or Judaism.
Getting meditation would allow say either Buddhism or Jainism
Many people are complaining that some major religious like Jainism or the cult Quetzelquatl are not in the game. This way they can be added with little effort and without rebalancing the game.

I think it would be a good idea - but I would say the ancient egypt religon is also a polythestic one or not ? The monothestic aton cult was only supported by one pharao ( shame on me , I forgot his name ) in 1000s years of egypt history, not very representiv IMO.

 

[Sullla]

But there's unique artwork for every missionary unit, and for every religious building (e.g. a Christian temple has to look different than a Hindu one). There's no way that this could be done for 30 different religions, not on the budget Firaxis has. And if Firaxis didn't have a unique look for each religion, I'm sure people on these forums would criticize them for that too. It's tough to win as a developer.

 

[Crayton]

Just make the 'pagan' religion civ specific.
The Vikings start with Norse Mythology
The Japanese start with Shintoism.
etc...

If you make your 'pagan' religion the state religion it will be semi-viable. Of course, this model would be barely effective at repulsing missionaries of the big 7 religions. Maybe allow 'pagan' missionaries?

 

[Rognvaldr]

Yes I think even a generic pagan faith should have been added look at the norse they where very religeos and they sacked allot of europe. As for missionary again look at asatru it spanned far into russian because of the norse. Also What i think would be neat for a religous society having "priests or holymen" that would say add to the effect of temples. Oh well illo have to mod it up when it comes :>

 

[wit>trope]

This would be a terrible idea because implementing this idea would destroy the tiny amount of distinction among religions that exist in Civ 4. It would make the religion aspect even more "bland" than it is now ... it would make it the blandest possible!

Implementing it on a more limited scale, like choice between 2 religions could be OK.

 

[MRM]

This would be a terrible idea because implementing this idea would destroy the tiny amount of distinction among religions that exist in Civ 4. It would make the religion aspect even more "bland" than it is now ... it would make it the blandest possible!

Implementing it on a more limited scale, like choice between 2 religions could be OK.

In which way would this idea "bland" There is no difference between the religons even now, so adding some could not bland anything - in contrary it might be able to implement some differences then - f.e. a special wonder that only a specific religon can build - how about Necropolis if you chose the ancient egypt religon ? Or a wonder that improves seaskills for a norse religon ( remind the viking boats ) - if you can make it working that way, the chice of religon would not be completly meaningless ..

 

[wit>trope]

The difference between the religions now is that they are hooked to a specific technology. To see why this is a difference, instead of thinking of them as the real world religions of Christianity, Islam, etc. think of them this way:

Religion You Can Get When You Get Philosophy
Religion You Can Get When You Get Theology
Religion You Can Get When you Get Divine Right
etc.

Or you could just rename them like this:

Philosophy Religion
Theology Religion
Divine Right Religion
Meditation Religion
etc.

This makes the religions, strategically distinct even if there's no distinction in terms of religion-based doctrine, etc.

To get rid of this small small diversity would make it 100% bland as opposed to 96% bland.

You can implement the stuff you're talking about even with Civ 3 ... so that's a separate thing.

 

[MRM]

The difference between the religions now is that they are hooked to a specific technology. To see why this is a difference, instead of thinking of them as the real world religions of Christianity, Islam, etc. think of them this way:

Religion You Can Get When You Get Philosophy
Religion You Can Get When You Get Theology
Religion You Can Get When you Get Divine Right
etc.

Or you could just rename them like this:

Philosophy Religion
Theology Religion
Divine Right Religion
Meditation Religion
etc.

This makes the religions, strategically distinct even if there's no distinction in terms of religion-based doctrine, etc.

To get rid of this small small diversity would make it 100% bland as opposed to 96% bland.

You can implement the stuff you're talking about even with Civ 3 ... so that's a separate thing.

As far as I understood the difference is not going away with this purpose. If you reach first for example polythesim you can choose one of 2 or 4 religons ( f.e. , old egypt, old roman, norse and Hindu, only the first can do no one else ) - if you reach Meditation you can chose between 4 different meditation religons and so on. So you have to make a further decision if you are the first who discover a tech which makes you a religonfounder. and you can add to this choise specific advantages and disadvantages or what kind of religous specific wonder can be build ( and what not ) - I think that could be more fun because you have to make more decisions.

Edit Other idea would be make religons more civ specific - if egypt discover polythesm it would be the old egypt religon, if india is first it would be Hindu and so on ...

 

[thehouse]

MRM got what I was talking about, getting meditation would only allow a choice between say buddhism or janism