Settlers and Religions?

[Cicerosaurus]

Just tossing a few thought in here regarding building settlers in a city that has a religion/ pantheon.


Would it be feasible for the religion to be embedded in the settlers? It would seem reasonable to expect them to be taking their religion with them.

And I would go one step further- the religion would just need to be present in the originating city. That is it would not necessarily be the majority religion- so even if your religion was Judaism, the settler could start a city with Catholicism if that had been present in the originating city. Sort of a random generator to decide, but they could represent settlers leaving the city to escape religious persecution.

Merely a thought.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Just tossing a few thought in here regarding building settlers in a city that has a religion/ pantheon.


Would it be feasible for the religion to be embedded in the settlers? It would seem reasonable to expect them to be taking their religion with them.

And I would go one step further- the religion would just need to be present in the originating city. That is it would not necessarily be the majority religion- so even if your religion was Judaism, the settler could start a city with Catholicism if that had been present in the originating city. Sort of a random generator to decide, but they could represent settlers leaving the city to escape religious persecution.

Merely a thought.

That would make sense... to be honest, I mean, didn't the colonizers from Europe that colonized America brought Christianity into the lands?

 

[Cicerosaurus]

I understand the folk on the Mayflower were escaping religious persecution. Maybe our American friends can help us there.

 

[Wodan]

You can do this now... you just have to build 2 units to do it.

Unless we're saying we want to make the game easier to play? In which case the suggestion makes sense.

 

[Mudrac]

Would it be feasible for the religion to be embedded in the settlers? It would seem reasonable to expect them to be taking their religion with them.

This is actually a pretty good idea. But you can do it even now, just found a new city and send Caravan/Cargo Ship to it and it will convert in a couple of turns.

 

[cpm4001]

I understand the folk on the Mayflower were escaping religious persecution. Maybe our American friends can help us there.

Well, actually they were escaping a lack of religious persecution...see, the folks on the Mayflower were very upset because they left England for Holland, only to discover that the Dutch didn't discriminate against you if you were Jewish, atheistic, Catholic, or the wrong kind of Protestant. Therefore, they left for the New World in an attempt to set up a theocractical colony where they could be jerks and discriminate as much as they pleased.
Still, I like the idea in the original post; nothing more annoying than to settle a city quite a ways away from your "core" cities only to have to run a missionary out to spread your religion to it. Perhaps, though, if there are multiple religions present in a city, the settler would have a slightly higher chance to bring the less popular religion to the new city...now that would be an interesting mechanic.

 

[fyar]

Yes! I've always thought that this should be the case. If the settler came from a city with a dominant religion, wouldn't it make sense that the city they founded would have that same religion?

 

[Pythakoreas]

I understand the folk on the Mayflower were escaping religious persecution. Maybe our American friends can help us there.

Give Inquisitors "Heathen Deportation" option stronger than "Remove Heresy".

 

[McSaucy4418]

Well, actually they were escaping a lack of religious persecution...see, the folks on the Mayflower were very upset because they left England for Holland, only to discover that the Dutch didn't discriminate against you if you were Jewish, atheistic, Catholic, or the wrong kind of Protestant. Therefore, they left for the New World in an attempt to set up a theocractical colony where they could be jerks and discriminate as much as they pleased.

Thank you for this. I was hoping someone would write about the pilgrims.

Side note: I also support newly settled cities bringing religion with them.

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

Most of the people escaping from religious persecution did actually not settle new cities or colonize AFAIK, but settled in existing cities. If something should be implemented with inquisitor, like heathen deportation, the result should be population removing from current city and joining a random city with different religion the inquisitor is used in. Of course this would only be a penalty, so in the end not needed I think.
If settling cities would bring its own religion, it should be either the dominant religion from the city the settler originates or the religion founded by the player.

 

[cpm4001]

Thank you for this. I was hoping someone would write about the pilgrims.

I'm going for a major in History. I won't pass up an opportunity to write about it!

 

[Ascientist]

Perhaps this could be an addition to the American UA?

 

[Cedbird]

I live in one of the original 13 colonies of the English settlers . Near historic Jamestown. Yes Europe was controlled by the Catholic church. The Pope was the last say on religion. The settlers were looking for religious freedoms . That is why the First amendment of the Bill of Rights says " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances " Because they came from just that. Its the FIRST amendment out of 10. I think they felt pretty strongly about not being jerks. That mean you can be any religion you want to be. The govt has no business telling you what to think or what to say for that matter. The 2nd Amendment is dealing with guns. So that the if the govt tries to get stupid then the people could take up arms to defend itself against an out of control govt.
As far as the post I think that is a great idea. But after thinking about it I like the fact that it takes a little while for the religion to take hold. But if it changed to inheriting the major religion or the random seed I could dig that.

 

[householder]

Perhaps this could be an addition to the American UA?

I don't think it would need to be specific to America. Pretty much all of the European colonies, on whatever continent or island, brought their religion with them. I suppose the same is true for Russia's eastward expansion through Siberia and for its trading posts in Alaska.

It makes sense that settlers would bring the dominant religion of the city in which they originated.

 

[killmeplease]

If something should be implemented with inquisitor, like heathen deportation, the result should be population removing from current city and joining a random city

this effect can be added to the standard inquisitor's purge mission
so you'll think twice - leave it as that or pugre the rival religion but lose some population (1-2 max?)

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Perhaps a Piety policy....all cities you found start with your religion.

 

[fyar]

Perhaps a Piety policy....all cities you found start with your religion.

That wouldn't be bad if it gets tacked on to one of the other policies (too weak as its own policy), but honestly, why shouldn't it be the default without requiring a policy? Settlers of a new city always brought the religion of the city from which they came.

 

[troublmaker]

The only thing about settlers going with their beliefs is that without an actual religious administration being built very quickly or a missionary going with them they often strayed away from the path of their religion. Very often in the first colonies the first building they built was a church, a temple, a shrine, or a mosque.

A lot of colonies became heretical when left to their own interpretations of faith. I more or less think it works well now.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

That wouldn't be bad if it gets tacked on to one of the other policies (too weak as its own policy), but honestly, why shouldn't it be the default without requiring a policy? Settlers of a new city always brought the religion of the city from which they came.

It would have to be tacked on I agree.. possibly to the opener

1. Make piety stronger
2. Non-pious settlers may be willing to adopt the religions of the locals

 

[fyar]

It would have to be tacked on I agree.. possibly to the opener

1. Make piety stronger
2. Non-pious settlers may be willing to adopt the religions of the locals

I actually buy both of those points. I would sign off on that.