SGOTM 01 - Rat Pack

[Till]

Thanks for your patience, folks!

Inherited Turn:
Sugar to Cyrus for 5gpt.
Try to move a Galley into Incan territory, but it wouldn't do. Unless there is some black magic i don't know about, we will have to wait until Astronomy.

2
Caravel discovers Incan city. Man, those Ican names are worse than the Aztec ones! Incan caravel heads for our coast.
Paper comes along. Gandhi doesn't want to give us Astronomy, however. All we can get is Drama+ WM+ 30 gold.
That's a balant rip off! No way i'm going to take that deal. We badly need Astronomy, but it is a 4k tech opposed to paper being 1k.
I reckon it's wiser to gamble on the Liberalism slingshot...

3
Move our caravel next to the Incan one.
Our first unit arrives back home from the Persian expedition.
With Nationalism and Astronomy Gandhi is leaving us far behind in the tech race.

4
Incan caravel backs off.
Started the Heroic Epic in Thebes.

5
We get a great scientist!
Education comes in 6 turns and if i understand Dave's technology chart correctly, the scientis will most likely research printing press for us afterwards.


7
We meet Saladin!
He is extremly backwards and annoyed with us for trading with his worst enemy.

9
Give Cyrus Literature for 100 gold + world map. That should shorten the race to Liberalism by a turn or two.

I tried to balance building units and infrastructure. Even with moderate whipping, there are growing health issues. Education is due next turn. I'm curious which tech the great scientist will offer then.

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[Tatran]

This game is becoming more and more a disaster.
Huayna has already Education !!!
Also,we can bribe Gandhi only into a war with Huayna.
If we steam roll the Incas the military struggle option
is gone unless Gandhi gets annoyed with Saladin.

 

[ThERat]

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Greebley - up

well, let's just try and finish this without looking at the other teams. Obviously we haven't played this the way to win...

 

[Greebley]

I got it. I was busy with civ3 last night and unfortunately didn't finish. So I will be playing this tonight or tomorrow.

So do we want to bribe Ghandi into a war with Hyuna right now then?

 

[Greebley]

Yesterdays game took far too long into the night (which I spelled knight the first time), but I am now free to play this game. Hopefully, that will be tonight.

 

[Tatran]

(which I spelled knight the first time)

I'm 100% sure it isn't the first time someone spells knight for night.
Must be in one of LK Civ3 series,maybe it was you.

Back to the game.Take your time.I haven't played Civ4 for more
than a week now.Too busy and it's too warm.Maybe I'm losing
interest.
To keep our dreams alive,try and bribe Gandhi into a war so we
can collect some military struggle points/turns.

 

[Greebley]

Probably was me. I've done it before...

I am going to start playing and see how we can do.

 

[Greebley]

Well I played to 1406 when we lost the race to Liberalism (5 turns away).

I am handing off now so we can discuss if we to switch techs. I am inclined to switch to Astronomy.

We are really lagging in tech this game. We also have nothing to trade to get Ghandi to declare on anyone and he won't do it for free.

Here is a picture with the techs we can choose. Good ones include Astronomy, Gunpowder, PP, Drama.

We are doing very badly in keeping up in tech and I have no insight into why. In Rat16 we can keep up with Immortal AI but we are behind by many many techs to Ghandhi at Monarch? I would be interested in anyones theories on this.

I think I forgot to wake up a Caravel. Check on them.
The 1406 AD Save

 

[ThERat]

ell, we must have done something wrong here, I am also puzzled why we are that far behind Gandhi. In hindsight, we should have nurtured Cyrus for a trading game since we can't fight Gandhi anyway.

Well, for now I suggest to go for astro so we can send unit to Huayna

 

[Till]

Astronomy is the only viable option, from my perspective. We can't do anything before we get galleons.
In hindsight, the whole war with Cyrus wasn't such a great idea, but it can hardly be the only reason why Ghandi is running away on us.

 

[Tatran]

Greebley didn't mention Gandhi was the one who beat us to Liberalism.
I think we went wrong with the Russians.Maybe a combo attack against
Cyrus and give Catherine those Persian cities to handle Gandhi later was
maybe a better option.

Also,it's not a fact yet,we lost the competition,but I don't want to lose
this game.Gandhi runs away and we can't do a thing about it.Roosevelt
is our only hope in trading.Roosevelt is busy researching Education,so
another tech trading opportunity is gone.I suggest finishing Liberalism and
start trading with Roosevelt,we need banks anyway.

Got it.

 

[acidsatyr]

No, i'll tell you where we went wrong: Going TOO LATE after cathy, i.e waiting for catapuls, settling too many of our cities which lowered our gpt thus research, etc..
also i just noticed, did we actually gift our cities to ghandy??

 

[Tatran]

Pre-turn
Well,this is a team game,I'll switch our research
towards Astronomy.We can always switch back to finish Liberalism
or in between,we don't lose any research points in Civ4 by switching.

1472 AD (11)
Now this is something I was afraid of.

Both favor the UniSuf civic.
If these two sign a permanent alliance...
Positive point Roosevelt switched to a Theocracy.

1484 AD (13)
Roosevelt is now also Friendly with us.
Nice friends,Gandhi and Roosevelt,they don't share any tech and
won't help in war-time.I kept trying every turn.Nothing works.Sigh.

1490 AD (14)
Astronomy is in.
Roosevelt hasn't got it,so there is a trade opportunity.

Important !!!
I could finally test what would happen if Gandhi signs a defense pact
with some other AI.Conclusion : we can get rid off the great Mahatma.

 

[Till]

Did i get that right? We can declare on Ghandi now?
Well, that's excellent! In that case we might want to consider laying waste on him instead of Hyana.

 

[Greebley]

No, i'll tell you where we went wrong: Going TOO LATE after cathy, i.e waiting for catapuls, settling too many of our cities which lowered our gpt thus research, etc..
also i just noticed, did we actually gift our cities to ghandy??

This isn't why we are behind Ghandi in tech. Its quite possibly may be why we don't finish fastest - that is another matter entirely, but other games I have played show that building early towns helps tech in the long run not hurt it unless you go over a certain number of towns, which I don't think we did here. I am more inclined to think that we settled too late rather than too early. We did have that weird haitius where we didn't use settlers we had. I may be that we built the towns and fought the war at the same time. Settling earlier or later might have both been better. It does take a bit of time to get towns to a production level where they are ahead.

Rapid settlement of 8 towns very early works well for tech if the cities have commerce. This is probably the most powerful in terms of the tech race.

 

[Greebley]

What happens if we declare war on America?

 

[Tatran]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
I tested the defensive pact between Gandhi and Roosevelt
by declaring war on America and this initiated a war with
the Indians.

 

[ThERat]

this sounds like an explout but so be it. This means we can now turn against the #1 in this game, I would like this. We won't win this game anwway, might as well have a blast at it.

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[acidsatyr]

ok got it will play today-tommorow

 

[acidsatyr]

I sincerely apologize guys I really don't have time to play now, unless you don't mind waiting couple of more days please skip me.