stuge
Emperor
Wow, Hanny sure put up a fight. His power is going down, though. Should we push on to eliminate him, or consolidate now?
SGOTM 04 - Trash Team
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pigswill
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Are we collectively losing interest in this game?
I'm still interested! 
Thanks for the report.
It's clearly been very disappointing that we've had one crippling flaw in our game in that Gandhi continues not to invade, while I'm fearful that our efforts against Hannibal have been both expensive and largely without progress.
I can't see us defeating Carthage outright by pressing on with continual war given our troop numbers (and war weariness), however I would like to direct the last of our current invasion force towards taking Hadrumetum (I think this city was named during a big night out 'on the turps'!?) for Versailles, and then sue for peace - upgrade the Cat's to Cannons though.
I notice Brennus still hasn't invaded Spain, while Isabella is fearful of Celtia's military might. I wonder if we can afford to help her out?
My only other thought is re-try moving weak units back onto that peninsula south of Bombay - Workers, Explorers, maybe a Settler? I'm still thinking that Gandhi's decision not to invade is largely out of our control, but I'm still prepared to try tactics that are largely non-injurious to our own cause.
b.t.w. - I think the decision to settle Bjorgvin is a good one, better yet when we get the Forbidden Palace in Karakoram (which could do with a Bank too!).
Best of luck Remco!
Thanks for the report.
It's clearly been very disappointing that we've had one crippling flaw in our game in that Gandhi continues not to invade, while I'm fearful that our efforts against Hannibal have been both expensive and largely without progress.
I can't see us defeating Carthage outright by pressing on with continual war given our troop numbers (and war weariness), however I would like to direct the last of our current invasion force towards taking Hadrumetum (I think this city was named during a big night out 'on the turps'!?) for Versailles, and then sue for peace - upgrade the Cat's to Cannons though.
I notice Brennus still hasn't invaded Spain, while Isabella is fearful of Celtia's military might. I wonder if we can afford to help her out?
My only other thought is re-try moving weak units back onto that peninsula south of Bombay - Workers, Explorers, maybe a Settler? I'm still thinking that Gandhi's decision not to invade is largely out of our control, but I'm still prepared to try tactics that are largely non-injurious to our own cause.
b.t.w. - I think the decision to settle Bjorgvin is a good one, better yet when we get the Forbidden Palace in Karakoram (which could do with a Bank too!).
Best of luck Remco!
remconius
Deity
I received Lord of the Rings Online yesterday and got a little involved. I actually missed your turnset completely. 
I thought we were waiting for Pigs' but it was me....
I guess the loss of interest is also coming from Gandhi's lack of action.
I thought we were waiting for Pigs' but it was me....
I guess the loss of interest is also coming from Gandhi's lack of action.
pigswill
fly (one day)
We've been experiencing losses because of lack of CG troops in our conquered cities; we're very close to rifling (and got some longbows to upgrade) so that should be fixable in remconius' set.
WW is becoming burdensome but it'll just recur if we go for peace then re-declare.
WW is becoming burdensome but it'll just recur if we go for peace then re-declare.
stuge
Emperor
Signing peace to get reinforcements into place sounds like the best course of action right now. Although the next player should see to it that Hanny cannot start replacing his lost cavs right after the peace treaty. Pushing for the Versailles also sounds reasonable.
patagonia
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I'm still around, just out of suggestions on how to improve Gandhi's situation.
remconius
Deity
I am experiencing some computer problems...
I upgraded my system and I am now running Vista. It's giving me some missing text errors in civ though
Even with that I was able to play a game.
Unfortunately I could not open the save yet. Will try again tonight and let you know if it's working.
I upgraded my system and I am now running Vista. It's giving me some missing text errors in civ though
Even with that I was able to play a game.Unfortunately I could not open the save yet. Will try again tonight and let you know if it's working.
I think hannibal is down enough for a while.
edit : checked the save.
We should sue for peace and build more improvement in the cities we plan to gift to gandhi. I want observatories everywhere.
Isabella would give education for chemistry and some money. This is a good trade.
edit : checked the save.
We should sue for peace and build more improvement in the cities we plan to gift to gandhi. I want observatories everywhere.
Isabella would give education for chemistry and some money. This is a good trade.
remconius
Deity
Dang, just tried again, but cant open the save...
This is going to take some technical solution *starts googling for a solution*
In the meanwhile, if the next person wants to pick up, feel free, this is going to take a while, I am afraid.
This is going to take some technical solution *starts googling for a solution*
In the meanwhile, if the next person wants to pick up, feel free, this is going to take a while, I am afraid.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Looks like a skip from remconius.
Cabert, can you take it?
Education/Chemistry trade sounds ok.
Be nice to get some rifles in America which would cut our losses from cavalry. Hannibal doesn't have steel yet but that could change soon enough.
Cabert, can you take it?
Education/Chemistry trade sounds ok.
Be nice to get some rifles in America which would cut our losses from cavalry. Hannibal doesn't have steel yet but that could change soon enough.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Radical Proposal
We've tried fighting wars, we've tried winning wars, we've tried baiting Gandhi. Still he hasn't moved.
Let's try Losing The War to see if Gandhi dogpiles us. Continue war with Hannibal, maybe even declare on Mehmed. Withdraw all our troops in Vinland, let Hanny/Mehmed capture all our cities, see our power chart plummet. Maybe Gandhi will join in. Don't upgrade any units; maybe even build rifles/cannons, stop one turn before completion and switch to gold/research.
I'm confident that our glorious armies and our mighty navy can stage a succesful invasion against any opponent once Gandhi has committed to action. Meanwhile we'll save a bunch of money on city upkeep so we can continue research, maybe heading towards assembly line in the first instance for berserk infantry.
We've tried fighting wars, we've tried winning wars, we've tried baiting Gandhi. Still he hasn't moved.
Let's try Losing The War to see if Gandhi dogpiles us. Continue war with Hannibal, maybe even declare on Mehmed. Withdraw all our troops in Vinland, let Hanny/Mehmed capture all our cities, see our power chart plummet. Maybe Gandhi will join in. Don't upgrade any units; maybe even build rifles/cannons, stop one turn before completion and switch to gold/research.
I'm confident that our glorious armies and our mighty navy can stage a succesful invasion against any opponent once Gandhi has committed to action. Meanwhile we'll save a bunch of money on city upkeep so we can continue research, maybe heading towards assembly line in the first instance for berserk infantry.
Is this a late april joke?
N O W A Y I D O T H I S.
I can take. I got it (opened it to check the trades). But I won't play in the next 48 h. So I don't mind if someone else takes the round in between.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Sounds like cabert doesn't like my idea.
Unless someone is keen to play we wait 48 hours for cabert to play or remconius to sort out his vista problems.
Unless someone is keen to play we wait 48 hours for cabert to play or remconius to sort out his vista problems.
I was 'sort of' 'kind of' half-way towards thinking along similar lines, but not quite so Kamikaze about it. I was contemplating throwing what little army we had left against Hannibal so that our PowerChart would continue to drop, and cease the war when we essentially had no troops left other than one defender per city. Provided Carthage doesn't decide to counter-attack, Gandhi 'may' be tempted to get off his derriere and try to win this game.
I did however dismiss the idea, because (a.) we're continuing to 'shoot in the dark' in terms of what India will and won't do, and (b.) it will mean that we have essentially no control over the direction of the game. 'Sure' we could later send in an army of Spies and go pillaging Gandhi's rivals, but it's a high-risk and sub-optimal approach I think in light of how far we've come.
I believe that we'll be better served by being able to attack the likes of Mehmed or Brennus at a moment's notice if and when required. In the short-medium term I think that we need to consolidate our position on the 'new' continent, and re-build a compelling force. Our immediate objective I believe should be to take Hadrumetum with the Grenadier-Catapult(Cannon) stack and sue for peace. I'd be happy to entertain the idea of another one or two Carthaginian cities (other than Carthage itself) if the roster felt that was 'do-able' - they're basically all defended with only three or four Rifles.
I am very mindful of Brennus attacking Isabella, and I don't know what anyone else's view on this is. He could take all of Spain, although knowing the A.I. he'll stop five cities short of that point. Both will invite us to get involved. I lean towards supporting Isabella, but not sure if we can lend her any real support.
The potential for Ottomans signing defensive pacts might also be an issue that we may need to address at some point.
In a nutshell, I think pseudo-Domination is still the way for us to go. We need to be mindful of not tripping Domination by land area, but be ready to raze half of Celtia and/or the Ottoman Empire in a speedy fashion ...
... Of course, if Gandhi does invade, that will throw 'the cat amongst the pigeons' in terms of our strategies. I recommend that the city defender moves to an open tile that is adjacent to the town and between the town and the attacker. As I found in my test game, Gandhi was no certainty to actually take an undefended town unless his troops were actually next to the town itself.
I did however dismiss the idea, because (a.) we're continuing to 'shoot in the dark' in terms of what India will and won't do, and (b.) it will mean that we have essentially no control over the direction of the game. 'Sure' we could later send in an army of Spies and go pillaging Gandhi's rivals, but it's a high-risk and sub-optimal approach I think in light of how far we've come.
I believe that we'll be better served by being able to attack the likes of Mehmed or Brennus at a moment's notice if and when required. In the short-medium term I think that we need to consolidate our position on the 'new' continent, and re-build a compelling force. Our immediate objective I believe should be to take Hadrumetum with the Grenadier-Catapult(Cannon) stack and sue for peace. I'd be happy to entertain the idea of another one or two Carthaginian cities (other than Carthage itself) if the roster felt that was 'do-able' - they're basically all defended with only three or four Rifles.
I am very mindful of Brennus attacking Isabella, and I don't know what anyone else's view on this is. He could take all of Spain, although knowing the A.I. he'll stop five cities short of that point. Both will invite us to get involved. I lean towards supporting Isabella, but not sure if we can lend her any real support.
The potential for Ottomans signing defensive pacts might also be an issue that we may need to address at some point.
In a nutshell, I think pseudo-Domination is still the way for us to go. We need to be mindful of not tripping Domination by land area, but be ready to raze half of Celtia and/or the Ottoman Empire in a speedy fashion ...
... Of course, if Gandhi does invade, that will throw 'the cat amongst the pigeons' in terms of our strategies. I recommend that the city defender moves to an open tile that is adjacent to the town and between the town and the attacker. As I found in my test game, Gandhi was no certainty to actually take an undefended town unless his troops were actually next to the town itself.
thanks cam for the good analysis.
I don't think we can go on very long with the war vs hannibal. He still is too strong for our weak defensive forces.
My suggestion:
- trade with isa to make chemistry very common
- sue for peace with hannibal.
- Mass troops in the culture surrounded city, and whip it dry for (culture) buildings.
- build non culture buildings (observatories, markets, grocers, courthouses, forges, ...) and defensive units in ancient vikingland to export to new vikingland
- build up new vikingland to last (including theatres and the like)
- tech to communism asap.
- build spies (no, i don't plan this to happen in my turnset
)
- check relations towards gandhi. Anyone becoming threatening (souring relations) to him will be attacked even without required troops.
I will probably not even be able to play tomorrow, but we're in no hurry.
I didn't look exactly at the cities, so any specialization ideas?
I need to know where to build
- the Forbidden Palace,
- oxford,
- Globe Theater,
- Iron Works,
- the palace?
I don't think we can go on very long with the war vs hannibal. He still is too strong for our weak defensive forces.
My suggestion:
- trade with isa to make chemistry very common
- sue for peace with hannibal.
- Mass troops in the culture surrounded city, and whip it dry for (culture) buildings.
- build non culture buildings (observatories, markets, grocers, courthouses, forges, ...) and defensive units in ancient vikingland to export to new vikingland
- build up new vikingland to last (including theatres and the like)
- tech to communism asap.
- build spies (no, i don't plan this to happen in my turnset
)- check relations towards gandhi. Anyone becoming threatening (souring relations) to him will be attacked even without required troops.
I will probably not even be able to play tomorrow, but we're in no hurry.
I didn't look exactly at the cities, so any specialization ideas?
I need to know where to build
- the Forbidden Palace,
- oxford,
- Globe Theater,
- Iron Works,
- the palace?
The Forbidden Palace is already underway. It does beg the question as to whether it's worth our while to build other National Wonders in 'Old Viking Lands'?
Unfortunately I can't look at the save re. the other cities, although I guess Wall Street goes in the Kashi Wishwanath city.
(Sorry I'm not much use right now - memory's going!
)
Unfortunately I can't look at the save re. the other cities, although I guess Wall Street goes in the Kashi Wishwanath city.
(Sorry I'm not much use right now - memory's going!
)
pigswill
fly (one day)
If we can capture Versailles then that will solve distance maintenance problems for quite a while.
I do actually think my cunning plan has merit. This is not a normal game; the objective is to lose as quickly as possible to Gandhi (but only by space) and that means thinking unconventionally. We can trash every other civ and make sure that no-one builds a spaceship before Gandhi but as long as Gandhi stays holed up he's not going to build a spaceship early.
I do actually think my cunning plan has merit. This is not a normal game; the objective is to lose as quickly as possible to Gandhi (but only by space) and that means thinking unconventionally. We can trash every other civ and make sure that no-one builds a spaceship before Gandhi but as long as Gandhi stays holed up he's not going to build a spaceship early.
Sure, but if hannibal and mehmed trash us, it won't be a space race loss, it will be a conquest loss
.I think the last 2 turnsets proved that losing power wasn't enough to push gandhi into our land, so I don't think more trashing of our empire is needed.
Where is versailles?
pigswill
fly (one day)
According to the illustrious Cam_H Versailles is located in Hadrumetum.
"Sure, but if hannibal and mehmed trash us, it won't be a space race loss, it will be a conquest loss ."
This is true but imho very unlikely, even if we lost vinland we still have a sizeable empire and powerful offensive forces. My concern is that we're heading towards the Full Monte (lots of obselete units, poor research) at which point we would be struggling.
"Sure, but if hannibal and mehmed trash us, it won't be a space race loss, it will be a conquest loss ."
This is true but imho very unlikely, even if we lost vinland we still have a sizeable empire and powerful offensive forces. My concern is that we're heading towards the Full Monte (lots of obselete units, poor research) at which point we would be struggling.
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