SGOTM 04 - Trash Team

[cabert]

I'd rather not declare on Mehmed until we've got about 10 rifles on the border in New Vinland as he's bound to have gone cav-happy.

right!

If we're going to be whipping defense units, then rifling's a must. Grens (especially ones upgraded from berzerkers) are good for taking cities, but pants at holding on to them in the face of AI cav stacks.

right

Our next tech after rifling should definitely be nationalism. If we want to start losing ground, but retain the ability to influence the game, a mass draft in Old Vinland as we start to lose cities there seems like a good idea to me. Much more efficient than the whip for building rifles too. We can pretty much tank our current forces and combine drafting rifles with whipping cannon to rebuild an army over there if/when AI invasion comes.

If Washington's going to get globe, we should double that up with West Point once that becomes available. Instant draft factory.

interesting

I definitely expect to draft a lot, particularly from washington.
but WP is only half as good for draftees... Maybe half as good is still better than nothing, but if we build HE somewhere, we will want WP there.

So where is HE?

 

[pigswill]

If we want to hold onto Vinland/New Viking we need rifles (and plenty of them) which does of course increase our power rating. If we're willing to let go (and retake it later when we need it) we don't need rifling because our principal defending units for Old Vikingland are frigates and cannon. We can't have it both ways.

 

[remconius]

Fair points about rifling, I guess we need it...

 

[cabert]

played a bit.
Nothing goes well IMHO + my computer doesn't seem to like civ these days.

inherited turn :
- education from isabella, for chemistry + 440 gold.
- peace with hannibal for 420 gold + 8 gpt + world map + rifling (for what it's good). Sorry for the amphibious CR3 grenadiers, we'll just use cannons.
- whipped granary in los angeles
- whipped library in Washington (food emphasized)
- whipped courthouse in ? (was costing 21 gpt!)
- started researching nationalism
- stopped all the wealth building cities, observatories, forges, and markets all over the place.
- MM : went cottage crazy

Gandhi's power is a lot above ours. After the whip it should be even more true.

turn 1 (1598 AD) :
- whipped market in birka (too bad we have to lose this production city)
- whipped observatory in upsala (too bad we have to lose this commerce city)
- whipped observatory in nidaros
- applied 41 hammers overflow to GT in washington
- whipped market in ningh-sia (too bad for the cottage working people)
- whipped observatory in beshbalik
- moved our frigates to see invasion forces coming (not too near to gandhi, in order to avoid frightening him )

checked diplo screen : brennus has enough on his hands now.
Hesitate to declare. We need a few units to do this, but it could be too late (I don't want him to attack isabella freely). Since we're not playing for the win, I declare. I upgrade both our berserkers in los angeles to rifleman.

asked isabella for gold, she says no.

turn 2 :
moved troops, but kept those in central cartaginian land.
- whipped observatory in kazan
- whipped grocer in turfan
- whipped observatory in haitabu
- whipped market in phrygian

turn 3 : lots of indian caravels all over the place. no invasion force .
- whip a bank in nidaros
- whip a harbor in tiflis

our power didn't really go down. this whipping doesn't seem to work.

Let's see if brennus takes some cities.

turn 4:
- whip hindu temple in washington.
- whip marketin samarkand.

great scientist born, academy in beshbalik

turn 5 :
moved troops.
power starts goin gdown a bit. Finally whipping away the population seems to work.
- apply 21 overflow hammers to GT in washington.
- whip library, theatre, barracks in uttica.
- gandhi lands!!!! a swordsman and a settler in ancient cartage . What a sucker!
- whip a harbor in nidaros
- whip grocer in phrygian
- whip grocer in upsalla

turn 6 :
gandhi has built the temple of salomon
gandhi has settled on new vikingland
spotted brennus' fleet near los angeles. only ships, no landing force.
- whip market in avar
- gift los angeles to isabella (no sense letting brennus take it)

sunk brennus's fleet
traded with isabella for health resources.


turn 7 :
nationalism in, go steam power
utica's border expands. still 7% odds of revolt every turn.
start bombing verlamion
no whipping this turn, but MM all over the place

turn 8 :
more bombing of verlamion
whip courthouse in tabriz
whip taoist temple in washington

sunk brennus' frigate for the price of one frigate...

sold world map for 40 gold to isabella. She's willing to go to war with brennus for steel. sounds good to me.


turn 9: atlanta razed. a cavalry I didn't see coming through mehmed's land . I upgrade the LB in the nearby city to a rifleman.

- whip market in haitabu
- apply 21 hammers overflow to GT in washington.
another CTD

I found gandhi's invasion force. it lacks a bit...

edit : i replayed to the same position and saved.
I'm going to upload the save and let a more powerful computer handle this map.

 

[pigswill]

Cabert has played .

Gandhi has actually done something . He's got some ships to do more .
Which way will he turn?

Let's find out!

Remconius is UP (if his computer is working)

Cam_H is on deck.

 

[Cam_H]

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Well, I guess we can consider putting down a trail of unescorted workers to lure him with his 'scary Swordsman' to the Hindu Holy City once we get our SoD out of there.

Knowing our luck, Kolhapur will probably flip to Brennus - he's got both Versailles and Hermitage in Hadrumetum.

I'm not being critical, I'm just not sure - but why do we have so many Berserkers un-upgraded? Is it to try to get City Raider III promotions, or lack of cash, or ?

I'm sorry (it's morning here - I'm still mostly ) but I'm still missing the grand scheme ...

... Are we going to capture Celtic cities and then gift them to Isabella, or raze them, or keep them? Are we going to take another swipe at Hannibal? Do we have any policy on Mehmed? I presume that moving zero point defense units such as Workers to the peninsula south of Bombay in order to encourage a landing has been dropped as a proposal?

Huh? Wha..?

I might have trouble with my place in the roster - won't be able to play until next weekend, so someone might want to cut in before me.

 

[stuge]

Okay, if Gandhi attacks Scandinavia with those troops, we should be clear. Just empty cities and take refuge in Vinland.

But what'll we do if he attacks Vinland instead? I say we cannot allow Gandhi to capture cities there, because they would more of a hindrance to him for too many turns. Also, we've got to have some kind of an base, and if Gandhi takes Vinland, we'll have to hang on to the Old continent.

 

[cabert]

sorry cam, unupgraded troops because I didn't plan to use a lot of those + wanted to keep power down as much as possible.
About brennus, the plan is to prevent him from landing in "our" land. I sent a miserable stack over there, to keep him busy, but I don't really plan on taking lots of cities.
Maybe one, if possible (to be razed).
I wanted to prevent him from attacking isabella, then dragged isabella in . Well, I killed most of his fleet and "blocked" his troops in his land, by attacking, so isabella will go pillage happy, and that's it.
Should be enough to prevent brennus from running away, while giving him a good positive bonus with gandhi.

The plan about gandhi?
IMHO the escape from utica then the worker lurking (I already set up this in some way, workers nearby and a galleon to start moving away) is the single best thing to do.
If he lands anywhere, let him take what he wants.

 

[pigswill]

Raze and pillage Brennus. If we can move our principal attack force from Carthage to Celtia that should give us a decent stack there. Use money from pillaging/razing to upgrade berserks.

Gandhi is our pal (yes, its all a cosmic misunderstanding) and he can have any of our cities he wants.

 

[remconius]

Tried to reinstall the game but I keep having the same errors. Also cant find any solution on the net.

Problem is some txt_key_..... are missing. All kinds of texts are missing, apart from that it doesnt open the save from Sgotm. I'll follow the game from the forums for now.... Very annoying!

 

[pigswill]

Remconius: hope you get civ up and running soon, as you said Very Annoying. We'll slot you in as soon as poss. Meanwhile, having checked the last roster properly...

Stuge is UP

Cam_H is on deck.

 

[Gyathaar]

Tried to reinstall the game but I keep having the same errors. Also cant find any solution on the net.

Problem is some txt_key_..... are missing. All kinds of texts are missing, apart from that it doesnt open the save from Sgotm. I'll follow the game from the forums for now.... Very annoying!

Sounds like you are missing a patch..

Guessing the warlords patcher fails to patch vanilla the same way the autodownload patching fails on vista..

Try to manually download both 1.61 and 2.08 patches and apply them

 

[remconius]

Thank you Gyathaar!

That seems to have done it. I had neglected to patch vanilla, didnt know it was needed. DL'ing and isntalling the patched manually has done the trick.

 

[Gyathaar]

Thank you Gyathaar!

That seems to have done it. I had neglected to patch vanilla, didnt know it was needed. DL'ing and isntalling the patched manually has done the trick.

Well, the warlords patch contains the vanilla patch.. so you normally should not have to.. but I guess something with vista causes it to fail

 

[stuge]

Go ahead and play, Remco. I haven't touched the save yet and today's going to be busy.

 

[pigswill]

Remconius: if you're available then you're UP with stuge on deck.

 

[remconius]

It's going to be tough this week. Have a very important meeting wednesday evening with a bunch of directors. Tonight and probably some other evenings I have to focus on completing and preparing for this meeting. I'll take a skip for now and pick up things later this week.

 

[pigswill]

Remconius is skipping

Stuge is UP

 

[stuge]

Can play tomorrow.

 

[stuge]

Turns played. Will post the report tomorrow as I've got a crapload of math to handle today.