SGOTM 07 - Xteam

[rrau]

900ad (155)

MM Beijing for frigate in one. Combat promote full strength grenadier and attack LB at > 99.9 and with at strength 10.6, but end up next to a SOD of 1 grenadier, 4 WE, 1 LB and 1 cat . Assume he's a gonner and don't move the cannon to try to save him. Move our Frigate to home waters.

Ask and receive Ivory from Asoka and 230g to upgrade an archer to a grenadier to take the doomed one's place and move out the archer 2 steps and upgrade him.

Sell our WM to whoever would buy it for pittance.

920ad (156)

Our grenadier isn't attacked and is promoted to pinch and set to heal.
WWto 7 - culture to 10% for Artillary in 8
Frigates on clam and fish expecting an attack next turn from an english frigate right next to them

940ad (157)

Frederick adopts free market....Still can't trade for economics. Cathy will trade constitution, but I don't trade for it.
Mini stack assembled on Iron and ready to go next turn.

Looks like the gren and 4 WE's are heading for our silver and Beijing.

WW still at 7 with 10% culture

960ad (158)

Elizabeth made peace with Alex and sends 1 WE onto our W silver and 1 gren and 3 WE onto our E silver. At this point, I'm thinking we may lose both. To try to soften the larger stack, our new cannon is promoted to combat 2 and attacks and kills the grenadier. This leaves our 3 cannon in York that are healed >95% chance of success against the WE's.......So.......I kilz zem all.
We may still lose the W silver so try to cancel deal with Julius so we can keep happy, but it's noncancellable at this time.

Asoka landed his troops (cannon and 2 gren) by London and we're one turn away....afriad he'll sacrifice them

980ad (159)

Asoka's not so dumb.....He's bombing London and killed the WE on our W silver for us with a rifle. .

WW still at 7 with 10% culture slider.

Asoka's building a nice stack in York.

1000ad (160)

Tokugawa and Huayna make peace. We bombard to 0%, but since asoka moved his grenadiers to plunder and just left a cannon there, I don't attack this turn since he won't be able to take it and ask him to attack london so hopefully he'll bring his troops back from looting and pillaging.

WW at 6!!!! Turn off culture slider and research to 100 for artillery in 3

1010ad (161)

Asoka didn't move troops back and just pillaged.
We attack London and kill defenders without a loss of troops and leave a single 2.7 cat and 2 workers in town ..... Hopefully he attacks with his one cannon that's in range to attack.

WW back up to 7, but leave slider at 0 to keep artillary in 2 turns.

In anticipation of victory, cannons gathering in York start moving towards Athens.

IBT: Cathy wants to trade constitution and 30g for physics.......I decline.

1020ad (162)

London has fallen and Asoka's troops running towards Athens......We hurry to try to catch up.

Workers are all done with pre-conversions and recalled to Beijing.

WW to 8 and artillary still at 2. Culture slider to 10 still gives artillary in 2

1030ad (163)

Cathy made peace with Hatty.
Blaise Paschal born in Dehli.
Move a worker to try to see into Cuszco next turn.

1040ad (164)

Learn artillery. Start on Rocketry and ask Asoka to research it also.

Our worker on the hill can't see into Cuzco

Bombard Athens, but Asoka took our the LB last turn with a grenadier leaving a single pike, so should fall this turn.

Our WW at 9 with culture slider at 10. (Asoka's WW only at 1)

We can upgrade one cannon that's still in our territory this turn if we ask Asoka for gold.

Note: War's going easier than I expected. I think Asoka's got a taste for blood now. I think this thing's probably getting close to being in the bag.

[edit] I didn't lose a single troops this turnset.

 

[Mad Professor]

Nice going Rrau. Yes, Asoka seems more enthusiastic for war that Capac was in the test game I played. Apart from a couple of instances where he plundered instead of advancing on a city, he's been easier to manage than I expected.

I'll go have a look at the save now. Hopefully we can eally put the foot down now!

 

[Mad Professor]

Looks like Athens is about to fall. Asoka should swallow that as soon as we press enter, and Liz's frigates will disappear...

Cuzco and/or Sparta should be hit real soon - I don't think there will be much in the way of WW for us there, perhaps we can just barge right in ASAP? Maybe declare next turn to make sure Asoka really does take Athens?

Cuzco and/or Sparta are just on our way to Frederick, whom we should knock over before he gets to much more powerful. I'm looking forward to seeing Artillery eat into him...

Just a thought - Caesar is willing to declare war on Frederick for Education and Printing Press. Is it worth asking him to do that now? That would cause both Caesar and Frederick to use up some units hopefully. Frederick is less powerful than Caesar right now, but is ahead of him in tech, so I would expect him make a fight of it...

 

[leif erikson]

Things are looking real good rrau! Nice going.

I think it is time to ask Fred to declare on HC. He'll even throw in 130 Gold plus his WM.
Time to transform Beijing into a production city as well by completing Workshops. Although I will miss the 429 Beakers per turn that Beijing is putting out.

We can get 180 Gold from Louis for Liberalism, that is a Cannon upgrade.
Mansa and Hattie both have 60 Gold and we have a few obsolete techs that they could get.

Looks like we could go from Lizzie to HC to Fred (and perhaps pick off Toku on the side) and then on to Julius and clean up with Alex and HC's southern city.
Now it is all in how fast we can get it finished, imho.
To do this, we have 12 Cannon and a Cat, so we could already build two stacks, except we're a bit short on covering troops. So we could upgrade the two LB's to Rifles and one more Archer to Gren. That would give us 6 Artillery, a Rifle and two Grens in each stack.
Then we could build a third?

 

[leif erikson]

Just a thought - Caesar is willing to declare war on Frederick for Education and Printing Press. Is it worth asking him to do that now? That would cause both Caesar and Frederick to use up some units hopefully. Frederick is less powerful than Caesar right now, but is ahead of him in tech, so I would expect him make a fight of it...

I like this idea. How about we give Fred Divine Right to attack HC and then give Julius something to attack Fred, he will also do so for Astronomy (and give us 50 Gold!).

EDIT - Julius is behind Fred in tech, yet has more power. It should be a bloodbath in destroyed units.

EDIT2 - And Asoka has 505 Gold he'd love to give us to help us with upgrades to Artillery!

 

[ShannonCT]

Great turnset rrau. Flawless victory!

Like the idea of Fred declaring on HC and then Julius on Fred. That should result in a significant weakening of both. We can start moving part of our stack toward Cuzco and declare next turn. I wonder if we can also send about half of our big stack to Sparta. Greece should be quite weak right now. Alex doesn't have Gunpowder yet so a few artillery with escort should be able to kill the defenders. Frigates can move toward Sparta next turn after Lizzy is gone.

Let's get all the gold we can this turn and more next turn when Asoka takes Athens. Just keep milking Asoka until all of our cannons are artillery.

Does someone want to post the save on the sgotm server?

 

[leif erikson]

Does someone want to post the save on the sgotm server?

I hadn't done so because I am unsure if rrau has finished or plans to play a few more turns and was seeking a consultation?

rrau?

 

[rrau]

I'd like to play a one more turn just to see the end of Lizzie and then that'll be 10 and I'll pass it on.

[edit] Although, that's not a good use of our time. Gator should be back and ready to play tomorrow, so I'll go ahead and post it to the server and pass it on.

>>>THE SAVE<<<

 

[Cactus Pete]

rrau has certainly improved our position dramatically.

Looked at save . . . quick thoughts:

Like MP's idea of insighting Julius to attack Fred, and let's get Fred after HC right now as well.

If we're going to go to State Property, next turn would be a good time to do it (with WW at 9).

Let's upgrade as many cannons to artillery as quickly as possible.

Urge that a galleon be the next build. Now that we have artillery, speed of movement and reducing culture once arrived is limiting factor, and galleon(s) will be useful for all of Julius's coastal cities. It would be nice to have two, but I'll be happy with one. (We can get immediate artillery by upgrading.)

Emancipation could give us trouble, so I'd like to try to trade for Constitution to give us a heads up when someone researches Democracy.

Once our workers have finished their improvements toward a production city, they can certainly help Asoka by roading pillaged tiles, but I'd like to also utilize them one at a time to help with our attacks -- either as sacrifices to lure units out and/or as advance scouts.

 

[rrau]

Our score graph doesn't tell much........But take a look at the power one

 

[Mad Professor]

Our score graph doesn't tell much........But take a look at the power one

And it's about to spike even higher as our canons become artillery, and we pump out more artillery!

The score graph is not going to tell us much about where other teams are at is moving towards victory from now on. It was an indication of city growth and tech advancement and still is I suppose, but once you reach communism and go for a domination push, or mass media and go for the UN, the score graph is no indication of how close victory is.

The power graph should tell other teams that we have arrived at some serious military techs and are concentrating on a military victiry - that is, domination by PA. It won't tell them how close we are to victory though.

 

[Mad Professor]

If we're going to go to State Property, next turn would be a good time to do it (with WW at 9).

Agree. When they're all unhappy is the time we lose least from anarchy.

Urge that a galleon be the next build. Now that we have artillery, speed of movement and reducing culture once arrived is limiting factor, and galleon(s) will be useful for all of Julius's coastal cities. It would be nice to have two, but I'll be happy with one. (We can get immediate artillery by upgrading.)

A galleon would be handy for getting units quickly from Sparta to Tiwanaku, and for getting them quickly along the Roman coast. We could save a few turns this way.

Emancipation could give us trouble, so I'd like to try to trade for Constitution to give us a heads up when someone researches Democracy.

Asoka will likely naturally head towards democracy anyway. I agree constitution would be a good choice after rocketry. If emancipation is not much used, it's no big deal, but if a bunch of civs adopt it (and even late in our conquest, there will still be quite a list who could) it could really bite.

 

[ShannonCT]

Asoka will likely naturally head towards democracy anyway. I agree constitution would be a good choice after rocketry. If emancipation is not much used, it's no big deal, but if a bunch of civs adopt it (and even late in our conquest, there will still be quite a list who could) it could really bite.

We can get Constitution from Cathy right now.

 

[Jimmy Thunder]

Great war effort rrau!

 

[Mad Professor]

We can get Constitution from Cathy right now.

That's a thought...

Do we need to think about war on the other continent again, or are they just fine left alone...?

 

[leif erikson]

Good discussion, lots of things to consider!

Roster:
Gator - UP
leif - On Deck
ShannonCT
Jimmy Thunder
Cactus Pete
Frederiksberg
Mad Professor
rrau - Just played!

Mistfit -

I like that power graph.
Seems like some of the teams are holding back a little.

Off to re-look at the save with so many ideas!

 

[leif erikson]

Like the idea of Fred declaring on HC and then Julius on Fred. That should result in a significant weakening of both. We can start moving part of our stack toward Cuzco and declare next turn. I wonder if we can also send about half of our big stack to Sparta. Greece should be quite weak right now. Alex doesn't have Gunpowder yet so a few artillery with escort should be able to kill the defenders. Frigates can move toward Sparta next turn after Lizzy is gone.

Taking Sparta would be a good, as long as we can hold it. What I am a bit concerned about is stretching Asoka thin and having to retake cities should they be taken by a new foe, such as Frederick. With Berlin so close, he could send a small stack and grab Sparta while Asoka has some distance to travel to get there. He has only two Grens at Athens.

Getting his hands on Cuzco, Kyoto and Hamburg would maintain a flow to the south and allow him shorter logistical lines.

Let's get all the gold we can this turn and more next turn when Asoka takes Athens. Just keep milking Asoka until all of our cannons are artillery.

Let's upgrade as many cannons to artillery as quickly as possible.

Absolutely, let's get those Artillery up and running. What techs do we wish to trade and which should we withhold? Earlier, I proposed giving Astronomy but that is a terrible idea as it allows advanced ships to be built. Do we need to discuss what we shouldn't trade?

If we're going to go to State Property, next turn would be a good time to do it (with WW at 9).

Agree.

Urge that a galleon be the next build. Now that we have artillery, speed of movement and reducing culture once arrived is limiting factor, and galleon(s) will be useful for all of Julius's coastal cities. It would be nice to have two, but I'll be happy with one. (We can get immediate artillery by upgrading.)

I think we should build two and float a group of Artillery. We will need to be judicious in their use because this group does us no good without a unit from Asoka to actually capture the city. It seems we would have to lead Asoka by the nose down the coast.

In this light, perhaps we should consider sending a group over to visit Toku before we head south into German lands?

I think that Cuzco needs to be a priority so the we can get the Academy built there.

Emancipation could give us trouble, so I'd like to try to trade for Constitution to give us a heads up when someone researches Democracy.

We can get Constitution from Cathy right now.

Trading with Cathy for Constitution is a great idea. Let's do it! She will take Communism and Replaceable Parts.

 

[ShannonCT]

Taking Sparta would be a good, as long as we can hold it. What I am a bit concerned about is stretching Asoka thin and having to retake cities should they be taken by a new foe, such as Frederick. With Berlin so close, he could send a small stack and grab Sparta while Asoka has some distance to travel to get there. He has only two Grens at Athens.

I think we should build two and float a group of Artillery. We will need to be judicious in their use because this group does us no good without a unit from Asoka to actually capture the city. It seems we would have to lead Asoka by the nose down the coast.

I think we could take Sparta and Tiwanaku without much threat from Frederick. He's going to lose a lot of units to Julius. I think we should send a couple of our archers to London now. Gift them to Asoka, and he's likely to put three units on his galleon and sail them toward Sparta if we declare on Alex. We can declare on Alex as soon as our frigates are ready to bombard. Follow the frigates with a couple galleons full of our artillery/grens picked up in Athens. If we can get there one turn before Asoka's galleon, we can kill the defenders and let Asoka take the city. Rinse and repeat on Tiwanaku.

I think that Cuzco needs to be a priority so the we can get the Academy built there.

One nice thing I noticed is that Asoka not only adopted free religion, but free speech also, which gives a 100% culture bonus. So when he captures Cuzco, he'll get 4 culture per turn. If he builds a theater, it will be 10 culture per turn, and we wont need to build an academy there. We can hold onto our GPs and see where they'll be needed the most as we near the end.

 

[leif erikson]

One nice thing I noticed is that Asoka not only adopted free religion, but free speech also, which gives a 100% culture bonus. So when he captures Cuzco, he'll get 4 culture per turn. If he builds a theater, it will be 10 culture per turn, and we wont need to build an academy there. We can hold onto our GPs and see where they'll be needed the most as we near the end.

Perhaps our GS should be used towards Biology?

 

[Cactus Pete]

I think we could take Sparta and Tiwanaku without much threat from Frederick. He's going to lose a lot of units to Julius. I think we should send a couple of our archers to London now. Don't we need to wait until next turn and we go into anarchy, followed by reduced WW after England is extirpated? Gift them to Asoka, and he's likely to put three units on his galleon and sail them toward Sparta if we declare on Alex. We can declare on Alex as soon as our frigates are ready to bombard. Follow the frigates with a couple galleons full of our artillery/grens picked up in Athens. If we can get there one turn before Asoka's galleon, we can kill the defenders and let Asoka take the city. Rinse and repeat on Tiwanaku. That's what I had in mind, and after Germany the same for the Romans and possibly Japan as well.

One nice thing I noticed is that Asoka not only adopted free religion, but free speech also, which gives a 100% culture bonus. So when he captures Cuzco, he'll get 4 culture per turn. If he builds a theater, it will be 10 culture per turn, and we wont need to build an academy there. We can hold onto our GPs and see where they'll be needed the most as we near the end.

Pleased to learn this. Sounds like we are going to want to take the smallest cities last if practical.