SGOTM 08 - Fifth Element
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BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
So and correct me if i'm wrong, plan B casted:
WT
me
berserks
dutch
culdeus
Not sure about Mesix
this means 5 out of 10. Since a couple members are MIA can we affirm this is the majority?
gratbeyond was not so convinced, but...
well, we need a plan for next TS.
WT would you please post a detailed plan for next 12 turns?
i suppose mine on #3 needs some corrections to follow plan B.
I propose sailing after writing, then Myst.
If you like you can also post the plans for the TSs after next one. then i'll copy on #3.
Remember to describe also the MM needed.
Then culdeus can play his TS.
WT
me
berserks
dutch
culdeus
Not sure about Mesix
this means 5 out of 10. Since a couple members are MIA can we affirm this is the majority?
gratbeyond was not so convinced, but...
well, we need a plan for next TS.
WT would you please post a detailed plan for next 12 turns?
i suppose mine on #3 needs some corrections to follow plan B.
I propose sailing after writing, then Myst.
If you like you can also post the plans for the TSs after next one. then i'll copy on #3.
Remember to describe also the MM needed.
Then culdeus can play his TS.
culdeus can post the TS plan he foresees. I shouldn't micromanage every TS.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
you're right
anyway not something great, here the variations i see from the present #3:
TS4:26-38
research: Writing - Sailing - Myst (but i don't think you'll arrive there)
first WB will go on fish, 2nd on clams, finish warrior, start library ??? probably you'll need to start a 2nd warrior or an exploring WB, before Wri is in. but switch to library as soon as you get it, in the meantime max growth.
some MM and Library will finishes when capital will grow to 5, max 1 turn of delay.
IIRC when 2nd WB is finished, you'll work both seafoods, cows and gold to max growth, warrior will comes in 1 turn, then library.
Switching from clams to mine (i guess more than once back and forth) to max growth and production.
Remember that every hammer is doubled when producing library, we're creative.
Culdeus, just post your plan or confirm this.
I'll be watching the thread, and i'll post the final plan on #3.
I suppose you'll play when i'm sleeping, so we have time 'til there.
culdeus
Emperor
Should be able to play tonight.
I'll probably just do a run thru with the test one more time. Do we not want a diversion of the WB to go around the marble? Just a thought. This might change plans some if there's something out in the fog there. Probably not worth it as we need that growth for timing of everything. It will just be so long before a WB can get out there.
I've just been going max food with the gold worked except when working the lib and going max hammers then and then switching to just the 5 developed tiles after that until city maxes and then start the scientists to hold growth, though this is on down the line. Have not been swapping turn to turn for any other goals.
I'll probably just do a run thru with the test one more time. Do we not want a diversion of the WB to go around the marble? Just a thought. This might change plans some if there's something out in the fog there. Probably not worth it as we need that growth for timing of everything. It will just be so long before a WB can get out there.
I've just been going max food with the gold worked except when working the lib and going max hammers then and then switching to just the 5 developed tiles after that until city maxes and then start the scientists to hold growth, though this is on down the line. Have not been swapping turn to turn for any other goals.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
I think you got it, Culdeus.
Better avoid to circumnavigate the marble island, we'll know what there's in the east when we settle there.
If there's something interesting we can load our scout in the galley and begin scouting.
Exploring WB: this will not happen in your TS, but i think we can send it west, perhaps first circumnavigatibg the island north.
Better avoid to circumnavigate the marble island, we'll know what there's in the east when we settle there.
If there's something interesting we can load our scout in the galley and begin scouting.
Exploring WB: this will not happen in your TS, but i think we can send it west, perhaps first circumnavigatibg the island north.
Do we think we can get that goody hut? I would bring the scout up to Shaka's border so we're ready to cross it when writing comes in.
Another thing for the next TS. We should take the warrior down and kill the Lion before it's needed for happiness in the capitol. We can settle the PigCity without warrior protection if we kill that Lion ASAP.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
Do you propose to put the warrior in the forest where city 2 will be settled and wait to be attacked? i think it can work. But we can build a 2nd warrrior before library, and start library in city 2.
Mesix
Obergruppenführer
Do we have a plan to get the Pyramids?
Mesix
Obergruppenführer
I did this in my test game. I built the 2nd warrior after the Library if memory serves.
Mesix
Obergruppenführer
If we skip sailing in favor of BW we will finish the Oracle at about the same time from chopping. If we prechop the three forests and finish choping the turn after Math is researched then we will get the 50% bonus from chopping.
The Marble will still be valuable for other early wonders, but the Oracle will finish fast enough without it.
Mesix
Obergruppenführer
As I stated earlier, I like a variation of plan B with BW and chopping substituted for Sailing and Marble. The most important thing is to get the Oracle in City #2 so that the GP points are there and not in the capitol.
culdeus
Emperor
This is from the recent test. What am I doing wrong with the autolog?
Spoiler :
Lion: Yea, I'd try to get the lion to attack us in the forest. I have little experience w/barbs or animals. Are we sure it will attack?
Pyramids: If we do it, it'd be in the cow city. It'd be nice to have, as always, but not sure we'll get it without stone.
2nd Warrior: Like Mesix, I also built library first (maybe more stuff too).
Mesix, BW: I like the sound of this idea. Would need to run a test, cus currently I like how that marble city gets up early and has good commerce. If the oracle comes in at the same time, I'd rather use the marble to do it and have the forests for chopping other things.
culd, autolog: I can't tell without the turn#'s where you deviated from my test.
Pyramids: If we do it, it'd be in the cow city. It'd be nice to have, as always, but not sure we'll get it without stone.
2nd Warrior: Like Mesix, I also built library first (maybe more stuff too).
Mesix, BW: I like the sound of this idea. Would need to run a test, cus currently I like how that marble city gets up early and has good commerce. If the oracle comes in at the same time, I'd rather use the marble to do it and have the forests for chopping other things.
culd, autolog: I can't tell without the turn#'s where you deviated from my test.
culdeus
Emperor
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
Everything seems to go OK. You could have play one more turn, or simply hit enter and save to complete library and growth, but it's OK.
I opened the save, not much of interest in the land you scouted, now try to bring the scout around Shaka's borders.
I suggest to complete the WB, then start the settler.
Do we go for fast growth to 6 running a Sci, or slowly running 2?
Next res. will be Myst-masonry-poly-priest, right?
BW:
i don't think a deviation to research it is worth.
- Masonry is cheaper, sailing is due in 2.
- AI will not trade masonry in BtS (unless you find Mansa), but always trades BW
- the marble city will have good commerce and decent production, after MC we'll build a workshop S. Steal fish from capital and it becomes a GP farm.
- with sailing and masonry we can try the GLH after the 3rd settler is in (unless we don't have an industrious AI with a coastal capitol)
WT, i repeat, no way to build pyramids other than in capital - unless you prove it.
I opened the save, not much of interest in the land you scouted, now try to bring the scout around Shaka's borders.
I suggest to complete the WB, then start the settler.
Do we go for fast growth to 6 running a Sci, or slowly running 2?
Next res. will be Myst-masonry-poly-priest, right?
BW:
i don't think a deviation to research it is worth.
- Masonry is cheaper, sailing is due in 2.
- AI will not trade masonry in BtS (unless you find Mansa), but always trades BW
- the marble city will have good commerce and decent production, after MC we'll build a workshop S. Steal fish from capital and it becomes a GP farm.
- with sailing and masonry we can try the GLH after the 3rd settler is in (unless we don't have an industrious AI with a coastal capitol)
WT, i repeat, no way to build pyramids other than in capital - unless you prove it.
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I will look at the save, and see what information is available.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
ok GB, also try to post a detailed plan.
We'll have to refine our short terms plans anyway.
All of us playing some advanced test knows it, but better remember: Shaka will NOT trades techs.
He accepts OB, nothing else.
Culdeus forget to sign an OB agreement with him (just verified).
It's the first and only thing to do before hit enter.
We'll have to refine our short terms plans anyway.
All of us playing some advanced test knows it, but better remember: Shaka will NOT trades techs.
He accepts OB, nothing else.
Culdeus forget to sign an OB agreement with him (just verified).
It's the first and only thing to do before hit enter.
culdeus
Emperor
I'm in agreement for marble for oracle (with no chopping) and then switch to Mids in the capital straight away (with loads of chopping when BW is in) BW might take 4 turns at that point. I just don't see plans to have enough workers to get one in place at the cow city with enough trees to actually chop the thing. I'll test the cow mids and capital mids and see what turn they come out with in the best case each way.
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