Thanks again for the education.
SGOTM 08 - XTeam
- Thread starter AlanH
- Start date
Better late...Probably a little late to check in, but your plan looks good.......You're probably done or close to done playing now, though.
ShannonCT
Deity
Played a few more turns and ready for a decision on invasion date:
T175 (cont)
Vassalize Joao, getting map, open borders, marble, and fur
Marble to Augustus for 4gpt. Joao's marble to Pericles for 5gpt. Fur to Gandhi for spices.
IBT
Physics->Chem
GS (free) born in X-Ville
Uranium appears near Horseville, but not in the FC.
T176
Jute stables->Cuir
Braga CH->airship
GS bulbs 1977 beakers of Chemistry
Scout finds in Celtia:
Verlamion - 2LBs, gallic warrior, cat, axe
Bibracte - 2 LBs, cat, axe, galley
Vienne - 2 LBs, cat, axe
First load dropped off on new continent
Wine to Gandhi for Sugar
IBT
Chem->Electricity
T177
Canalville galleon->worker
Ulundi galleon->Wat, back to max merchants
Horseville Cuir->cuir
Lisbon out of revolt, start forge
Charlemagne converts to Hinduism
AP vote comes up for Open Borders with everyone (vote yes)
Scout finds in Celtia:
Gergovia - LB, galley, gallic warrior, axe
Camul - LB, 2 gallic warriors, cat, axe
Upgrade caravel to frigate for 110 gold
Trade mission to Dalhi nets 1900 gold
IBT
Open borders resolution passes
Gandhi completes Notre Dame (in Delhi of course
)
Great Prophet is born in Delhi (will he build the last shrine?)
T178
Scout finds in Celtia:
Bibracte - 2 LBs, cat, mace, galley, settler
I load onto galleons near X-ville: 6 Cuirs, 4 trebs, 1 Xbow. If we sail now, we can land units at Gergovia on turn 180 and/or Bibracte on turn 182. Reinforcements will arrive turn 183, 184, etc...
I haven't seen 1 spear or pike in Celtia. I think it's time to strike while the iron is not (making pikemen). I can finish my set tomorrow night.
T175 (cont)
Vassalize Joao, getting map, open borders, marble, and fur
Marble to Augustus for 4gpt. Joao's marble to Pericles for 5gpt. Fur to Gandhi for spices.
IBT
Physics->Chem
GS (free) born in X-Ville
Uranium appears near Horseville, but not in the FC.
T176
Jute stables->Cuir
Braga CH->airship
GS bulbs 1977 beakers of Chemistry
Scout finds in Celtia:
Verlamion - 2LBs, gallic warrior, cat, axe
Bibracte - 2 LBs, cat, axe, galley
Vienne - 2 LBs, cat, axe
First load dropped off on new continent
Wine to Gandhi for Sugar
IBT
Chem->Electricity
T177
Canalville galleon->worker
Ulundi galleon->Wat, back to max merchants
Horseville Cuir->cuir
Lisbon out of revolt, start forge
Charlemagne converts to Hinduism
AP vote comes up for Open Borders with everyone (vote yes)
Scout finds in Celtia:
Gergovia - LB, galley, gallic warrior, axe
Camul - LB, 2 gallic warriors, cat, axe
Upgrade caravel to frigate for 110 gold
Trade mission to Dalhi nets 1900 gold
IBT
Open borders resolution passes
Gandhi completes Notre Dame (in Delhi of course
)Great Prophet is born in Delhi (will he build the last shrine?)
T178
Scout finds in Celtia:
Bibracte - 2 LBs, cat, mace, galley, settler
I load onto galleons near X-ville: 6 Cuirs, 4 trebs, 1 Xbow. If we sail now, we can land units at Gergovia on turn 180 and/or Bibracte on turn 182. Reinforcements will arrive turn 183, 184, etc...
I haven't seen 1 spear or pike in Celtia. I think it's time to strike while the iron is not (making pikemen). I can finish my set tomorrow night.
Just a quick look. Augustus now has both Paper and Philosophy and can research Education.
ShannonCT
Deity
Yes. I've been keeping tabs on techs every turn, and I can say that he just got Paper this turn. We should be safe for Liberalism->Radio.
He seems to have picked them up fairly quickly. Did he bulb with a great person? Can't tell his research pace, but agree that we are probably safe to go for Radio via Liberalism.
EDIT - Hope you enjoyed your dinner. Off for
ShannonCT
Deity
He seems to have picked them up fairly quickly. Did he bulb with a great person? Can't tell his research pace, but agree that we are probably safe to go for Radio via Liberalism.
EDIT - Hope you enjoyed your dinner. Off for
I didn't see any GP born to Augustus. He could have traded for Philosophy with Gandhi or Joao.
Augustus is about 4300 beakers away from Liberalism. Best AI has a GNP in the mid-400s IIRC, and that includes culture and espionage, so it's less than 400 beakers per turn.
After Gandhi gets Paper, his Prophet would want to bulb Printing Press.
ShannonCT
Deity
So I haven't heard any opinions on starting the war with Boudica.
One idea is to start the war on turn 180 by landing part of our force next to Gergovia, and landing another force next to Bibracte on turn 182. Taking Gergovia on turn 181 (or turn 182 if unlucky) would give us a place to base 4 airships that could soften up the defenders of Bibracte (including a tough LB). Galleons emptied at Gergovia could chain reinforcements to Bibracte. There is a galleon in Pigville right now with 2 Cuirs, and 1 more Cuir that will hop onto that galleon. I'm thinking of landing 2 trebs and 4 Cuirs at Gergovia (since it had 3 defenders at last check), and 2 trebs, 2 Cuirs, and a Xbow at Bibracte. 2 trebs and the frigate should be enough to take down Gergovia's defenses in 1 shot.
One idea is to start the war on turn 180 by landing part of our force next to Gergovia, and landing another force next to Bibracte on turn 182. Taking Gergovia on turn 181 (or turn 182 if unlucky) would give us a place to base 4 airships that could soften up the defenders of Bibracte (including a tough LB). Galleons emptied at Gergovia could chain reinforcements to Bibracte. There is a galleon in Pigville right now with 2 Cuirs, and 1 more Cuir that will hop onto that galleon. I'm thinking of landing 2 trebs and 4 Cuirs at Gergovia (since it had 3 defenders at last check), and 2 trebs, 2 Cuirs, and a Xbow at Bibracte. 2 trebs and the frigate should be enough to take down Gergovia's defenses in 1 shot.
I assumed that we would start as soon as we were ready, and it looks like we are...
I think this is a reasonable approach. I'm not sure you'll have four Airships available once you take Gergovia? Perhaps you should consider changing the build in Ivoryville to Airship? I think you'll need as many as you can get to hit Bibracte and that CG3 LB.
I do not really like the idea of waiting too long. Let's go!
Sorry, I've been occupied with RL. Looking good, especially Gandhi's build and GProphet.
SCT, post if you haven't played (still waiting until tonight), and I'll look at the save and see if I can be helpful.
SCT, post if you haven't played (still waiting until tonight), and I'll look at the save and see if I can be helpful.
ShannonCT
Deity
I haven't played beyond turn 178 (the save I posted last night).
ShannonCT
Deity
I assumed that we would start as soon as we were ready, and it looks like we are...
I think this is a reasonable approach. I'm not sure you'll have four Airships available once you take Gergovia? Perhaps you should consider changing the build in Ivoryville to Airship? I think you'll need as many as you can get to hit Bibracte and that CG3 LB.
I do not really like the idea of waiting too long. Let's go!
We could get 4 airships from Braga (1) X-ville (1) and Ivory (2).
Some probably largely unnecessary suggestions:
You have two hills available adjacent to Bibracte -- consider unloading units on both of them to minimize utility of Boudica's cat.
After wkshp in Braga completed, start chopping.
After chops in Furville, suggest create 2 grassland workshops and use them plus two beavers.
After Cuirassier in Jute, suggest move citizen off plains workshop onto watermill until city grows.
BTW, I can find no explanation of how airships work either in the manual or in-game. Is there a write up somewhere?
Do we want to keep Durnovaria?
By researching Communism before MM, we delay obsolescence of AP. If that's not a risk, then Com (and State Property) first would seem the way to go.
Like the attack plan, especially the reinforcements coming from Pigville to deal with contingencies.
You have two hills available adjacent to Bibracte -- consider unloading units on both of them to minimize utility of Boudica's cat.
After wkshp in Braga completed, start chopping.
After chops in Furville, suggest create 2 grassland workshops and use them plus two beavers.
After Cuirassier in Jute, suggest move citizen off plains workshop onto watermill until city grows.
BTW, I can find no explanation of how airships work either in the manual or in-game. Is there a write up somewhere?
Do we want to keep Durnovaria?
By researching Communism before MM, we delay obsolescence of AP. If that's not a risk, then Com (and State Property) first would seem the way to go.
Like the attack plan, especially the reinforcements coming from Pigville to deal with contingencies.
ShannonCT
Deity
Good ideas.
I can't find any good guide either. Here's what I know:
1) Airships can rebase to any of your cities (limit of 4 per city).
2) They can perform recon (range of 8)
3) They can attack units in or out of cities (range of 8 and damage limit of 20%)
4) They can be shot down by machine gunners, AT infantry, SAM infantry, destroyers, fighters.
5) They cannot defend themselves, so they are destroyed if their base is captured.
It doesn't contribute much land but it's also cheap to keep when we're in State Property. I think we can decide after my set.
I believe the AP is only obsoleted when the owner knows MM. I remember games where AP votes were still going on alongside UN votes.
I found this link, perhaps it will help a bit.
It talks about
air combat in general and, as part of that, addresses Airships under the Mission: Air strikes section.
ShannonCT
Deity
I'll resume in a couple hours.
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