unclethrill
Why am I up right now?
My understanding is that pindus will switch to scientists as soon as a GM pops for Sushi.
SGOTM 09 - Fifth Element
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My understanding is that pindus will switch to scientists as soon as a GM pops for Sushi.
Pindus has NP and NE. We can only build 2 national wonders per city.
It appears that we can run about 6 merchants in Evora. That is 18 raw
every turn. The population should also grow quickly to accomidate more merchants. With Moai Statues built there, it should have enough production to get the economic structures in place before we found Mining Inc. We can airlift GEs there (I tried in a test and it works). I recommend burning one GE on Maoi Statues immediately and saving the other to found Mining Inc. I recommend this regardless of if we decide to build Wall St. in Evora or not. Rushing Moai Statues will have a bigger impact than rushing Broadway. Even without Wall St., Evora will make a good place to run multiple merchants to keep our economy strong while other cities run scientists.
Can I get an up/down vote on Wall St. in Evora before I play?
We also need to discuss where the Ironworks will go. The capital seems good under Buro...but it could also go in a 2nd or 3rd production city that can better help to build SS components with the additional bonus.
It appears that we can run about 6 merchants in Evora. That is 18 raw
every turn. The population should also grow quickly to accomidate more merchants. With Moai Statues built there, it should have enough production to get the economic structures in place before we found Mining Inc. We can airlift GEs there (I tried in a test and it works). I recommend burning one GE on Maoi Statues immediately and saving the other to found Mining Inc. I recommend this regardless of if we decide to build Wall St. in Evora or not. Rushing Moai Statues will have a bigger impact than rushing Broadway. Even without Wall St., Evora will make a good place to run multiple merchants to keep our economy strong while other cities run scientists.Can I get an up/down vote on Wall St. in Evora before I play?
We also need to discuss where the Ironworks will go. The capital seems good under Buro...but it could also go in a 2nd or 3rd production city that can better help to build SS components with the additional bonus.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
Pindus has NP and NE. We can only build 2 national wonders per city.
It appears that we can run about 6 merchants in Evora. That is 18 raw
Can I get an up/down vote on Wall St. in Evora before I play?
We also need to discuss where the Ironworks will go. The capital seems good under Buro...but it could also go in a 2nd or 3rd production city that can better help to build SS components with the additional bonus.
Mesix, what have you smoked?
Burn a GE on Moai which can be built in 6 turns? We have Stone, forge and you can steal a tile from Lisbona.
No need to discuss the IW. Nippur is by far the most productive city with his levee. WS in LP, as already planned.
Sure, Pindus after the (hopefully) GM will switch to scientists.
Our powerhouses will be: LP (mainly thanks to Bureau), Nippur, Babylon and Blubz.
Lisbona, Sparta and Panama can be decent and will build some SS part, maybe.
3rd level cities like Pindus and Athens can build the thursters which will be the first SS part avaiable.
greatbeyond
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Whether we burn a GE on Moai or for Broadway doesn't make much of a difference if one is 10T and the other is 7T. The deciding factor should be; will rushing the Moai pay for the loss of ~3T of the GE as compared to Broadway, or not?
IW in Nippur is OK
Even if WS in LP has less production/commerce than what it would eventually be in Evora, the difference in time to complete the improvements and WS itself in Evora, may very well eliminate the advantage it would give.
IW in Nippur is OK
Even if WS in LP has less production/commerce than what it would eventually be in Evora, the difference in time to complete the improvements and WS itself in Evora, may very well eliminate the advantage it would give.
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
Exactly. Keep in mind we only have... what... less than 30 turns left. Short term benefit is almost the only benefit we have left. 
That is my point exactly. The additional
from Moai Statues in Evora will pay for the difference in turns saved from Broadway. Evora has buildings necessary to make it a productive city (Bank, Market, Grocier, and maybe WS). All of these buildings will be finished much faster with the MS in place. The benefit from Broadway will be the same now or in 10 turns (maybe 6-7 with GA). We are not in danger of losing Broadway without the rush.We should also identify some cities that will not build SS components and have them start building wealth/research (depending on their bonus buildings). At some point, having the additional 10 turns of research being built will outweigh the beneift of finishing one more building that takes 10 turns to finish.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
Not sure what to do with a GE. And not sure about your points for Moai rush.
No, don't bulb. We'll bulb computers/FO, not now.
What is sure is that WS will go in LP, mainly because it has all the structures already in place. And an airport to airlift the executives.
Shrot term. We need only short term benefits.
I can agree that WS can go in LP. IN the short term, it has the greatest return on investment.
The point that I am making about Evora is that it has low even after borders pop. By rushing Moai Statues, every sea tile will produce an additional allowing it to build necessary structures that much faster. Evora can be another key city in the SS buildup if it gets developed fast enough to make a difference. Rushing Moai Statues will make a difference.
Rushing Broadway will make no difference. The +1 happiness is not a pressing matter since all of our cities have extra happiness to spare. Getting it now or in 10 turns (probably more like 7 turns with GA) will have the same effect on our end game. None of the AI will beat us to Broadway.
The point that I am making about Evora is that it has low
even after borders pop. By rushing Moai Statues, every sea tile will produce an additional allowing it to build necessary structures that much faster. Evora can be another key city in the SS buildup if it gets developed fast enough to make a difference. Rushing Moai Statues will make a difference.Rushing Broadway will make no difference. The +1 happiness is not a pressing matter since all of our cities have extra happiness to spare. Getting it now or in 10 turns (probably more like 7 turns with GA) will have the same effect on our end game. None of the AI will beat us to Broadway.
We need to identify cities that can benefit from having Factories since I can add them to the front for the build queue after one more turn. If we assume that the game will be over in about 30 turns, then any city that takes more than about 8 turns to build the Factory wil not get a return on the investment for the spent to build. The exception would be cities that have already finished the necessary infrastructure and which will be building SS components since the +25% bonus to SS production outweighs the lack of getting a ROI for building the Factory.
Any city that will not be building SS components is better off producing either research or gold for the rest of the game (after infrastructure buildings are in place if necessary).
My tentative list of Factory cities includes:
Launch Pad
Blubsville
Sparta
Nippur
Bablyon
Lisbon (maybe, consider after revolt ends)
Evora (maybe, consider after rushing MS)
Are there any other cities that should get Factories?
spent to build. The exception would be cities that have already finished the necessary infrastructure and which will be building SS components since the +25% bonus to SS production outweighs the lack of getting a ROI for building the Factory.Any city that will not be building SS components is better off producing either research or gold for the rest of the game (after infrastructure buildings are in place if necessary).
My tentative list of Factory cities includes:
Launch Pad
Blubsville
Sparta
Nippur
Bablyon
Lisbon (maybe, consider after revolt ends)
Evora (maybe, consider after rushing MS)
Are there any other cities that should get Factories?
Based on feedback, here are changes that I will be making to the PPP.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
aaaarrrghhhhh
Tech Path - Assembly Line > Steel > Railroad (for Mining Inc) > Industrialism > RocketryOtherwise, we have too few time to spread Mining Inc.
We already suffered a delay researching AL before Railroad.
We need to spread Mining to our main cities and to build the IW. BTW why not burn the GE on it instead of in Moai?
Evora doesn't have enough without Moai. I'm thinking that Babylon or Nippur will be good sites for IW (to be discussed next TS). They should be able to build IW fast enough with their high production.
I agree on the revised tech path. I will make the change to the TS (in blue above).
without Moai. I'm thinking that Babylon or Nippur will be good sites for IW (to be discussed next TS). They should be able to build IW fast enough with their high production.I agree on the revised tech path. I will make the change to the TS (in blue above).
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
Nippur for the IW, sure like hell.Evora doesn't have enough
I agree on the revised tech path. I will make the change to the TS (in blue above).
BTW, i forgot the command for draw a line like you did.
unclethrill
Why am I up right now?
About dang time!
Turnset complete.
Here is the save.
Autolog:
We poppeed 2 GS...one from LP and one from Pindus. I guess the bright side is that we didn't pop a GSpy. No GM either though 
GA started (6 turns left).
Mining Inc. Founded.
Railroad is researched, so we now have something to do with our workers.
Here is the save.
Autolog:
Spoiler :
GA started (6 turns left).
Mining Inc. Founded.
Railroad is researched, so we now have something to do with our workers.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
I got the save.
I'll post tonight a comment on your TS and my PPP.
I guess we can say goodbye to Sushi, it's too late to benefit from it.
I think the best use for GS is to pop computers/FO. Genetics too, but in this case we need to research it before Satellites, since this tech opens Laser. I dunno why a GS has to bulb laser instead of genetics, but it works in this way.
I'll post tonight a comment on your TS and my PPP.
I guess we can say goodbye to Sushi, it's too late to benefit from it.
I think the best use for GS is to pop computers/FO. Genetics too, but in this case we need to research it before Satellites, since this tech opens Laser. I dunno why a GS has to bulb laser instead of genetics, but it works in this way.
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