SGOTM 14 - Ivan

[I. Larkin]

It is not nessaccary to strave City. Just swich to Sun Tzu and maximum food. Lisbon may get extra Hills. (better to do it in "pre turn", I belive you will remember to swich back when capture Paris.) But wait to play, I want to hear other team members opinion as well.

I'd upgrade Elite horse, make peace with Babylon and send all knights to Mekka area. Combria needs harbor first. may be MI-Harbor? and NC4 (Emertia) may swich now.

Yes, we may delay landing 1 turn, but I think better to land all weak units + +2 pikcs+ knights first and scond turn we will land all we have. Anyhow Knights from West will not come that soon.

 

[Othniel]

Sorry, I was really busy over the weekend but now I have some time. Just finished catch up reading on this thread.

7 spears, 6 of them vets, is a hefty defense. The big thing, of course, is that we can't afford our attack to fail. So proceeding with a little more caution by landing a defensive force first, sounds good. I'm away from my Civ computer, so can't answer this question on my own...France lacks Iron and/or Feudalism, right? We definitely don't want them to have a chance to upgrade.

 

[I. Larkin]

My "fast" plan is to land 2 Pik, 5 Knights and 3treb +2 Archers first. Upgrade Elite Horse.
Load 2 Knights on 7th galley.
Second, with sofisticateted ship chains Land the rest of Knights +sword from Uscudar to the same point, but NOT Attack!.
Only at BC 310 attack with all troops.
Sure, delay KT via Sun Tzu.
But the rest of knights should go as well.

 

[DWetzel]

We can also use the Palace as a prebuild, of course, not that it's likely to matter.

 

[nerovats]

Agreed on 1 turn wait before attack.
Since we have GA soon we can upgrade cities, to get over size 6 and create happines.
Don´t think we should make peace with Babylon. In GA we should get them defeated within 20 turns. Or do we want Zulu first, then it might take over 20 turns to reduce France and Zulu first. We could make France prison as well as they we will create some room there. Problem will be to controll them.

 

[I. Larkin]

I have found a plan how to land all 19 units we have at 330 BC at "proposed point".
(We could land 20 but we don't have that many).
Will write later. Ignas, do you see this combination?

 

[I. Larkin]

Agreed on 1 turn wait before attack.
Since we have GA soon we can upgrade cities, to get over size 6 and create happines.
Don´t think we should make peace with Babylon. In GA we should get them defeated within 20 turns. Or do we want Zulu first, then it might take over 20 turns to reduce France and Zulu first. We could make France prison as well as they we will create some room there. Problem will be to controll them.

In reality in GA better to have Yarosavl' in our hand, full size, highly comercial.
Also better to conquer russia befor they connect Iron and research Feudalism.

 

[eldar]

Peace w/Babylon (agree, they are more than a distraction now...), tie in to MA vs. Russia? Or is that too dangerous?

 

[I. Larkin]

Well, if we lukcy in Paris we will Conquer both...

Plan is following: 6 full load galleys come to point A in preturn. Number "7" full load stay near Castelo Branco. All other troops go to Castelo Branco. Upgrade elite Horse in Mekka, Sword from Uskudar may also come to Mekka to upgrade and support later. I'd send all other Knights to the "area" Just in case.

At next turn 330BC 3 Galleys out of 6 circulate to point A and B and will unload 12 units. Another 3 will go to Medina and will bring 5 more units. (New knight as well). They could bring 6 but we have only 19 total. The rest 2 will bring 7 th galley. Rename it with Numbers. I hope it will be enough to take Paris at 310 and GA at 290.

Instead of Elite upgrade we may rush reg MI in Medina and bring 20, but I am not sure what is better.

 

[DWetzel]

I had a thought, perhaps not a clever one, but a thought nonetheless, over lunch.

While it's clear that we eventually want our whole island (excepting maybe a few jails for AI), we may want to step up our off-island conquering more. We can whittle at the local AI with "spare" units, maybe even build a force of MIs and trebuchets to take on the locals, while we use our knights for off-continent crushing.

Or, potentially, vice-versa. I still like the idea of cheaper attack units going on boats since we have to land anyway, and once we do they're basically as good as knights for the first attack. Sure, they'll take longer to "clean up" an island, but...


I'm not sure that there's even a point here, but I thought I'd throw it out anyway.

 

[I. Larkin]

"Normal thought" DWetzel, I think main message is : do not focus on Knights only, other units also usefull... Yes, I think we will have some.

My question is my writing and idea clear enough how to land near Paris? Any other ideas?

 

[nerovats]

Attack plan is clear, and we all seem to agree on it. Will play tonight.

Don't want MA Babylon against Russia. Now focus French, then maybe Russia and Babylon. Don't want to have to wait 20 turns. Free AC can be a big help.

 

[I. Larkin]

Attack plan is clear, and we all seem to agree on it. Will play tonight.

Don't want MA Babylon against Russia. Now focus French, then maybe Russia and Babylon. Don't want to have to wait 20 turns. Free AC can be a big help.

I checked, we actually have 8 galleys in war zome . So it will be 2 More knights to UnLoad. Even better. I recomend at preturn Reg MI rush at Medina, rather then Elite Horse upgrade. When strike use yellow Knights only vs Horses.

Also put Gui to Max commerce (Sun Tzu!) (It does not need food this turn).
Give Hills to Lisbon, to have Knights at 2.
Combria - MI-> harbor.
Emertia Harbor -> Market.

Irrigate somehow Uskudar area: we need Water to Mekka.

Really better to stop when GA starts to discuss what to do.

Good Luck.

 

[nerovats]

Pre turn
move units near France into position
rush MI in Medina
Lisbon more shields from Gui
Coimbra to duct (otherwise waiste shields)
Emerita to harbour
IBT
Babylon units show up in south
330BC
Medina MI->harbour
land stack of 22 units 1S of Paris
Gui to Sun
Send extra knight south as 22 units should take care of France
IBT
French attack: lost count but on first attack we lost a pike, then it went better, we kill about 15 they kill 3 of
us, but we gain 3 elites Looks like some units moved out of Paris
310BC
Lisbon Knight->knight
Lagos market->knight
Emerita harbor->knight
After 3 trebs they only have 1 4hp spear, so some must have moved out
Need all units but 1 to take out lot's of 1 HP units, but we take Paris.
Gui to KT
Kill an babylonian sword
shortrush knight in Leiria (by temple)
Land another sword in France
IBT
French send everything they have, but only a horse and archer were able to attack (and lose) even give us another elite
Zulu boot us, didn't know we were in their territory, but play save, don't have that many units now.
290BC
Gui KT->knight->we're in GA
Uskudar rax->knight
Rio court->rax

Pause here as requested. What to do. We could give Paris to Russia, then our units should return home. Then attack Russia and Babylon? Or finish in France first? Flips risk is not that big, and we should overrun them easily. What we now see is all their army.

I've send some workers south of Medina to bring irrigation down there.

Haven't MM yet, so don't mind that.

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[eldar]

Paris will have a low rank and is close to the FP so it will have low-ish corruption and be good commerce. I'd keep it and get a Market in there ASAP, and fill it up with natives to prevent a flip. Heal up units, and wipe out the rest of France.

The GA should net us a ton of Knights and assorted other units for taking care of Russia, Zulu, Babylon.

 

[I. Larkin]

Horrey! Second time nerovats hold all the game in his hand and again did well. Congrats! However it is a long way to victory...
Looked at save... What a heavy losses! [No, actually not that...) Imagine what will be with landing stack when we meet Galic swords...
Zulus have worker to trade + some cash. May be give them Monarchy and strike next turn? [random idea...]
Paris needs Harbor first, and Corthouse next it will be more efficient than market.

Opporto will lose lot of schields, but nothing we can do.
What workers do near Rio on desert and Iron hill? Hill was done...
Rio need Aqueduct and Markert first, barracks then. Uscudar as well. There is no reason to have barracks in al Cities. lagos will build Harbor and Galleys next.
Emertia needs Market and may work on Sea. It may give 1 GL tile to Combria. as I wrote, try to bring worker to Mekka - medina.
Key point now to use short-rush wisely.

 

[nerovats]

We lost 5 units to about 30, not that bad.
Will continue saterday so have time to discuss.
Could conquer France and use it as jail, keeping Paris and maybe 1 more city.
To early to attack Zulu I think. We need more knights first. Could go after ToA, to help our culture, and research to powder to help with landings.
I'd play defensive war against babs for few turns, they take Russia and Babs in quick and decisive war.

 

[I. Larkin]

It is very seductive to trade Monarchy for Worker and gold.
But we may do it and do not go for war. Or trade engineering and Monarchy later.

 

[Othniel]

I think it is getting time to use RoP rapes. We should sign massive amounts of RoPs just before launching the first rape so that the busted RoP rep won't matter as much. I'm not sure RoP rape would be best used on nations like Russia or Zulu--perhaps that would be too soon to bust the rep--but it would definitely help in the island invasions.

 

[I. Larkin]

Problem is that they may declare anyway. Another problem that we can't land everywhere. May be we can send Picks with settlers and have "mobile support" of MI/Knights on Galleys. Indeed, this special game needs special tacktics.