Can't access the save as at work but assume Sal took econ with Lib???
SGOTM 16 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts
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Can't access the save as at work but assume Sal took econ with Lib???
Conquistador 63
Deity
IIRC if we disable Buffy's diplo advisor we can see techs the AI already has but can't trade because we don't have the pre-reqs. Could check the save in an hour or so. If Ron can wait I'd check for a more informed opinion the Econ beeline.
McArine
King
I believe Saladin took economy with Lib. It's not listed as one of the techs he can research.
Re. Corporations, do we want the three that supplies culture? (Jewelers(GA), Creative(GE) and Sushi(GM)) Then I think we should work on getting those three GP.
If we want to go for a Culture vc, we should also be focusing on GA's.
Regarding the one we get from Orleans soon, if it's not a GM, I have no problem with us using it for a GA.
I think we should start deciding which vc we want, as it'll have a great effect on how we plan our GP.
I think we should go for the AP+culture approach. With Dom+culture as secondary.
Placing OxU and other economy wonders, I'll leave in other capable hands, I've never been good at getting the combos to work.
Generally, I think the next couple of turnsets should be focused on getting our research going, growing some GA, and removing Ramesses.
Re. Corporations, do we want the three that supplies culture? (Jewelers(GA), Creative(GE) and Sushi(GM)) Then I think we should work on getting those three GP.
If we want to go for a Culture vc, we should also be focusing on GA's.
Regarding the one we get from Orleans soon, if it's not a GM, I have no problem with us using it for a GA.
I think we should start deciding which vc we want, as it'll have a great effect on how we plan our GP.
I think we should go for the AP+culture approach. With Dom+culture as secondary.
Placing OxU and other economy wonders, I'll leave in other capable hands, I've never been good at getting the combos to work.
Generally, I think the next couple of turnsets should be focused on getting our research going, growing some GA, and removing Ramesses.
Ronnie1
Deity
I don't think so. I think he took Astronomy, at least he did not have Astronomy 5 turns prior, and I don't believe that he researched them both. He could have traded for Astro of course, as both Qin and Hammy had it at least 5 turns ago.
My thinking is that Guilds is needed for our chosen path anyway.
Tech trade opportunities now include, Qin is only option,
PP for Guilds
PP + WM +140 gold, OR PP + 145 gold for Liberalism
nothing for Astronomy
This trade option is only the 1st thing in question IMO.
Do we want to start a Golden Age immediately with the next GP in Orleans regardless of type?
If yes, what Civics do we want to run during the GA, and what would we want to run AFTER as well, as that my influence tech path. This next set will stop either if Ramesses is dead or 10 turns is reached. I may pause before DoW of Ramesses if something seems off by then.
Do we have a GM already? If not, I'd save one of these if we popped one, otherwise fine to burn for GA (although an engineer might be tempting to save).
Happy for a Guilds trade but if we are in a GA, Free Speech would be a good civic, so any chance we can get Guilds and Liberalism?
Happy for a Guilds trade but if we are in a GA, Free Speech would be a good civic, so any chance we can get Guilds and Liberalism?
adrianj
Deity
GMs are easy enough to come by with a decent GPFarm and Caste System, so I wouldn't concern ourselves too much about generating one in the near future. I think a Golden Age next is a good option regardless of what it is.
Culture is almost certainly one of our VCs, as one of the supplementary victory conditions is to have 2 Legendary cities anyway.
OxU - put it wherever we have the most commerce, seems obvious enough. This makes better sense if we can increase the slider of course, which is something we should be trying to do by assigning merchant specialists where possible and building Wealth in cities that have completed their normal projects.
Saladin taking Economics... shouldn't this be obvious. Was a GM born on the same turn as Saladin learned Liberalism? Given that a number of AI already have Astro I would be less inclined to research it ourselves, but rather aim to trade for it using something like SciMethod or a combination of other techs like Chemistry and Economics.
Guilds is needed for our tech path in order to get to Corporation. But I think we should beeline to Biology first, in which case it is not needed. Anything we don't need for the Biology beeline we could aim to trade for, eg, Astro and all techs up to/including economics.
I like the idea of trading right now for Liberalism, as Free Religion is a good civic for us right now. What exactly is preventing us from trading with the others? WFYABTA or poor relations? Free Religion could help with the latter. Bureaucracy lovers Qin and Hammu we might have a good chance to get to Friendly, allowing us to bypass the WFYABTA.
Other civic choices... I would stick with Bureau to please Qin and Hammu. Keep Rep. Are we Caste System yet? If not, then I'd pick it. Economic civic we still have no choice and I'm not suggesting we try too hard to get Banking unless favourable trades come up.
Culture is almost certainly one of our VCs, as one of the supplementary victory conditions is to have 2 Legendary cities anyway.
OxU - put it wherever we have the most commerce, seems obvious enough. This makes better sense if we can increase the slider of course, which is something we should be trying to do by assigning merchant specialists where possible and building Wealth in cities that have completed their normal projects.
Saladin taking Economics... shouldn't this be obvious. Was a GM born on the same turn as Saladin learned Liberalism? Given that a number of AI already have Astro I would be less inclined to research it ourselves, but rather aim to trade for it using something like SciMethod or a combination of other techs like Chemistry and Economics.
Guilds is needed for our tech path in order to get to Corporation. But I think we should beeline to Biology first, in which case it is not needed. Anything we don't need for the Biology beeline we could aim to trade for, eg, Astro and all techs up to/including economics.
I like the idea of trading right now for Liberalism, as Free Religion is a good civic for us right now. What exactly is preventing us from trading with the others? WFYABTA or poor relations? Free Religion could help with the latter. Bureaucracy lovers Qin and Hammu we might have a good chance to get to Friendly, allowing us to bypass the WFYABTA.
Other civic choices... I would stick with Bureau to please Qin and Hammu. Keep Rep. Are we Caste System yet? If not, then I'd pick it. Economic civic we still have no choice and I'm not suggesting we try too hard to get Banking unless favourable trades come up.
Conquistador 63
Deity
True. Not that we need more evidence, but Saladin was 1st to Lib in 1430AD. He got a GM the same turn, then another GM in 1450AD.
I say trade PP for Lib, then try to trade Lib to Hammu the following turn, either for Astro (we have to put some more beakers into it) or Guilds.
I think a good pausing point would be when next GP is born.
Conquistador 63
Deity
I agree, but since we already invested a few beakers in Astro, it is easier to trade for it. After Astro, Gunpowder+Chemistry might help us with future trades.
Seems good to me as Hammy won't have a high priority to tech Lib himself with the free tech gone.
Ronnie1
Deity
Reference number: 12134
Game: C-IV SGOTM 16
Your team: Misfit Gypsy Nuts
Your name: Ronnie1
Date submitted: 2012-12-22
Software Version: BtS 3.19
Game date: 1560AD
Total turns played: 222
Session turns played: 10
Player race: France
Firaxis score: 2723
Session time played (hh:mm:ss): 03:05:53
Total time played (hh:mm:ss): 27:48:51
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Game: C-IV SGOTM 16
Your team: Misfit Gypsy Nuts
Your name: Ronnie1
Date submitted: 2012-12-22
Software Version: BtS 3.19
Game date: 1560AD
Total turns played: 222
Session turns played: 10
Player race: France
Firaxis score: 2723
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Ronnie1
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I am not pleased with my play this set. I totally mucked up the trades early on, before I got ALL the feedback actually.
I broke one of my own personal cardinal rules, I let myself get distracted IBT by RL.
The bright spot, we don't have to deal with any more motherland yearning.
The other bright spot, if there is one on the tech front. We were the first to Chemistry, (still haven't traded it away). Unfortunately we are still WFYABTA with Qin and SB, and Sal doesn't like us enough to trade, so that still leaves only Hammy.
I have been saving gold the last few turns as OxU will be built a few turns from now.
The thing I think we need to consider is going 2 turns Liberalism now, so we can get it before we leave the golden age in 3 turns.
I broke one of my own personal cardinal rules, I let myself get distracted IBT by RL.
The bright spot, we don't have to deal with any more motherland yearning.
The other bright spot, if there is one on the tech front. We were the first to Chemistry, (still haven't traded it away). Unfortunately we are still WFYABTA with Qin and SB, and Sal doesn't like us enough to trade, so that still leaves only Hammy.
I have been saving gold the last few turns as OxU will be built a few turns from now.
The thing I think we need to consider is going 2 turns Liberalism now, so we can get it before we leave the golden age in 3 turns.
Nice going killing off Ram. Ronnie1.
Did you get anything for PP? Noticed we picked up guilds/music on the same turn.
Spiral Minaret if we stay in a religion we should change to con asap as we don't have many bud buildings to get the benefit from it.
Without Astro Banking for running Merc with all our cities would be a good boost.
City builds.
No HE or NE yet? Both should be high on the list.
Most cities now should get basic infra (gran/forge/courthouse) then build wealth. We won't get much benefit from buildings now in alot of cities.
Military. We shouldn't neglect. Getting attacked might be a bit hard to defend with our borders.
I'm away till the end of the week from now so will wish everbody a Happy Christmas.
Did you get anything for PP? Noticed we picked up guilds/music on the same turn.
Spiral Minaret if we stay in a religion we should change to con asap as we don't have many bud buildings to get the benefit from it.
Without Astro Banking for running Merc with all our cities would be a good boost.
City builds.
No HE or NE yet? Both should be high on the list.
Most cities now should get basic infra (gran/forge/courthouse) then build wealth. We won't get much benefit from buildings now in alot of cities.
Military. We shouldn't neglect. Getting attacked might be a bit hard to defend with our borders.
I'm away till the end of the week from now so will wish everbody a Happy Christmas.
Ronnie1
Deity
The trades are what I completely screwed up. I got distracted at home IBT, and when I came back to the screen, SB was suddenly offering to trade Guilds for EDU, I figured get all I can get, since he was just WFYABTA, I forgot about the spy waiting to try and steal Music from Rame, so I asked SB what it would take to get Music also, and he said Edu + PP, and I said sure, figuring I could come out of that screen and then trade PP to Qin for Liberalism. But trading for 2 techs put Qin into WFYABTA and then GP was good for nothing as Hammy got it the turn after I did so now we are stuck just holding Chemistry. I have been checking every turn to see what Hammy will give for Chemistry and the price has NOT dropped yet. I was hoping that one of the other leaders would go out of WFYABTA and we could get two techs for Chem, or possibly tech Liberalism and go FR so maybe Sal would trade with us.
Looks like I'm up, will have a look at the save later and put up a PPP. Not sure (given that its Christmas) when I will actually play but maybe Thursday.
adrianj
Deity
It's not all bad Rob, don't be so hard on yourself. Great to see steady progress.
How far are we from making Qin Friendly? Would a switch to Free Religion be enough? That way we can avoid the WFYABTA.
How far are we from making Qin Friendly? Would a switch to Free Religion be enough? That way we can avoid the WFYABTA.
Ronnie1
Deity
Our relations with Qin are not great (+1). See screenshot
We are closest to making SB happy I think, not sure with hidden modifiers.
SB +5, Hammy +4, Sal, -4
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adrianj
Deity
What is the religion situation? Could we gain another 4 or 5 diplo points by taking Free Religion? Ie, losing different religion mods.
adrianj
Deity
Ooo, I've had some time to look at the save. Some things.
Tech Trades: Why not give Hammu Chem + WM + Cash for Banking + Lib. A good deal I think as it would allow us to take Mercantilism as well as Free Religion.
Civics: Free Religion + Mercantilism before the end of the GAge sounds good. Free Religion will improve our relations with everyone. Saladin will no longer be Annoyed, Qin should go to Pleased and Hammu might be Friendly.
City Micromanagement: We are running a real variety of specialists. I think we should focus them all as Merchants, as their bonus
allows us to run a higher slider and get better value out of Libraries/Unis/OxU.
Great People: I see that we already have a GEngineer and GArtist, so the only one we still need for Corporations is a GMerchant. We have three Holy Shrines which is really great.
National Epic: Bibracte looks like our best food city, especially once we have Biology farms. Running a whole bunch of merchant specialists here will also synergise well with a Grocer+Bank that we would eventually want to build here. (Essentially, Bibracte = Super Gold City + GPFarm, it will also get Corporation HQs)
Heroic Epic: I agree it should be built somewhere, but I don't think it's all that important. Pick a high production city and go for it.
SciMethod and Monasteries: I highly recommend we build at least one Buddhist Monastery (currently we have none) and maybe one or two more Islamic Monasteries. Spreading Buddhism/Islam is a gold mine.
Tech Trades: Why not give Hammu Chem + WM + Cash for Banking + Lib. A good deal I think as it would allow us to take Mercantilism as well as Free Religion.
Civics: Free Religion + Mercantilism before the end of the GAge sounds good. Free Religion will improve our relations with everyone. Saladin will no longer be Annoyed, Qin should go to Pleased and Hammu might be Friendly.
City Micromanagement: We are running a real variety of specialists. I think we should focus them all as Merchants, as their bonus
allows us to run a higher slider and get better value out of Libraries/Unis/OxU.Great People: I see that we already have a GEngineer and GArtist, so the only one we still need for Corporations is a GMerchant. We have three Holy Shrines which is really great.
National Epic: Bibracte looks like our best food city, especially once we have Biology farms. Running a whole bunch of merchant specialists here will also synergise well with a Grocer+Bank that we would eventually want to build here. (Essentially, Bibracte = Super Gold City + GPFarm, it will also get Corporation HQs)
Heroic Epic: I agree it should be built somewhere, but I don't think it's all that important. Pick a high production city and go for it.
SciMethod and Monasteries: I highly recommend we build at least one Buddhist Monastery (currently we have none) and maybe one or two more Islamic Monasteries. Spreading Buddhism/Islam is a gold mine.
adrianj
Deity
Ozbenno - could you update your First Post of the Thread to reflect our recent achievements: killed an AI, 3 holy shrines, AP Resident. We have 5 out of 10 everyone!
The roster order is
1) Ronnie1 Just Played
2) Ozbenno Up Now
3) McArine On Deck
4) Sleepless
5) Conquistador63
The roster order is
1) Ronnie1 Just Played
2) Ozbenno Up Now
3) McArine On Deck
4) Sleepless
5) Conquistador63
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