SGOTM 20 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

haphazard1 · Sep 9, 2014

Sleepless said:
I would like to see in Ronnies turnset units attacking the hindu island and probably a few HA's for the Christian city to the East. Would also recommend adopting OR when we next change civics as well. Save the bother of building monasteries for faster spread. We don't need to adopt a religion.

Do we actually have Mono yet? I didn't think we had the tech for OR. It was available in trade, maybe we can arrange a tech for Mono + cash deal from someone?

I would not object to a monastery in Rostov, along with a temple. OR is an expensive civic but will help with buildings, such as all the temples we need to build. Not sure I would revolt into it until we have religion spread to at least a handful of cities, though.

Ronnie1 · Sep 9, 2014

We are in protracted war with Louis now.

He is getting Iron from Churchill. We control the coast between us, so I'm not quite sure how. I just moved some galleys out of territory SE to blockade that coastline next turn.

The economy is the same.

Barbs just landed 2 archers at MA IBT. They could have razed Beach Town if they had wanted.

Barb boats everywhere.

We lost control of a food tile at CS to Cathy.

We stole Aesthetics from Cathy.

We got Forges up in quite a few cities.

We have a Trireme presence on the north coast. We need more imo.

We have a Trireme presence on the south coast. We need more imo.

We have some units ready for Suli.

We are ready to go at Louis again. His 2 cities have been bombarded down. I was never able to get any kind of decent odds. There were 2 few cats in the north and not enough units overall in the south.
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haphazard1 · Sep 9, 2014

From a quick read through the logs, it sounds like a solid turnset Ronnie1! :goodjob:

A bit of a hard slog, but war turns are like that sometimes.

How are our EP against Catherine? Do we have enough to think about another tech steal?

It looks like the barbs are becoming a serious problem, especially naval barbs. Where are they coming from? Is it one or two specific places, or are they just appearing all over the place?

If we can make a push to finish off Louis, then we can spend a short period consolidating our gains while we finish off Suleiman, clear out random barbs, and maybe go after a barb holy city or two. Then we will need to gear up for the next war, either against one of the Romans or possibly against Catherine if she is causing us too much trouble.

More comments later once I have a chance to look at the save.

haphazard1 · Sep 9, 2014

OK, looked at the save. A few thoughts....

- We have spy specialists at Rheims and Ankara that could be scientists or engineers. Our EP are few enough that we are not going to be stealing any techs any time soon, so these should be changed.
- We can sell crab to Cathy for 4 gpt and pig to Napoleon for 3 gpt. We could use the gold.
- I don't really like building wealth at Ankara. We could use more ships, or units for attacking Suleiman or the Hindu holy city.
- Nice exploration work! :goodjob:

We know a lot more about the world, which will help us determine how we are going to win.
- Hmmmm, looking at the southern waters I see one coastal tile 4S3W of Ghuzz. Could it be a path to reach the barb city (or cities) to the south without Astro? We should take a look when we get a break between barb naval attacks. Not needing Astro would be very helpful.
- We should get at least one unit in our beach city, just to keep the barbs from razing it for free.
- Do we want to plant more filler cities? There is a spot SE of MA where we could plant a coastal city that would get 3 seafood. We need better control over the waters first, but 3 seafood is enough to make a useful whipping post of a city.
- Looking at the big picture, Augustus appears to be slowly crushing Julius. Julius is down to 2 mainland cities plus that island outpost near Ghuzz. We may end up crushing the island city to remove Julius if Augustus can finish taking all the Roman mainland cities. Finish Louis, Suleiman (1 city), Julius (maybe 1 city)...and we could find ourselves only needing to attack one of the English civs. Yeah, I would love to eliminate Catherine, and Napoleon, and maybe more but if we do not have to...well, it would save a lot of time.
- Catherine's culture push is really annoying.

She only has 5 cities...smashing her may be the way to go. But we shall see. We still have plenty to do to finish off Louis and Suleiman and kill a whole bunch of barbs first. At least the revolt chance at Rostov has fallen, although 3+% is still higher than I like.

Deckhand · Sep 9, 2014

haphazard1 said:
Catherine's culture push is really annoying.

At least it isn't green. :lol:

haphazard1 · Sep 10, 2014

Deckhand said:
At least it isn't green.

Very true, Deckhand, very true. Be thankful for small favors, right? :lol:

Trying to figure out where the border with Peter actually was, and planning where to position our troops for the declaration of war, was a pain.

Ronnie1 · Sep 10, 2014

The roster order is:

Ronnie1 - Just Played
McArine - Up Now!
haphazard1 - On Deck
Sleepless
nocho

On the bench
da_Vinci

Advising:
Ororo, adrianj

Sleepless · Sep 10, 2014

Looks like you have set us up nicely to kill off Louis Ronnie1.

Nice bit of exploring there as well. I did wonder with the island to the South there was another way to get to it from the East without the need for astro in which case we don't really need to many techs at all.

Should be able to sell a few resources as haphazard1 mentioned which would put us back in a positive at 0%

haphazard1 · Sep 10, 2014

Sleepless said:
Nice bit of exploring there as well. I did wonder with the island to the South there was another way to get to it from the East without the need for astro in which case we don't really need to many techs at all.

Could we do some kind of culture bridge to allow galleys to cross to the south? Either by taking Julius' city or by razing it and replacing, if we need a better position?

Sleepless said:
Should be able to sell a few resources as haphazard1 mentioned which would put us back in a positive at 0%

Note that Ankara is currently building wealth, so just a couple resource sales will not get us to truly positive cash flow. We should do the resource sales, of course, but we still need more. Especially since being barely cash flow positive at 0% research is not exactly "strong" economically. :lol:

McArine · Sep 10, 2014

Got it.

PPP - playing tomorrow or friday.

Main purpose of the turnset, whipe out Louis and Suleiman and more exploring.

City builds.
I think we currently have too many infrastructure builds, with too few of them actually contributing to our economy.
And I also think we have too few unit builds, to be able to handle a long war, if Louis has more units to throw at us.
Keep changing Spy specialists to more useful assignments. Whipping when there's pop for it.
SL: War Elephant -> Market -> units.
HF: Courthouse -> units.
CS: Units.
MA: Courthouse -> units.
Istanbul: Courthouse -> settler -> units.
Edirne: Forge -> Courthouse.
Ankara: Trireme.
Rheims: Barracks -> units.
Ghuzz: Galley -> Trireme.
Rostov: Forge -> barracks -> units.
St. Petersburg: Forge -> Trireme.
Yekaterinburg: Library -> Forge.
BC: Archers.
Amiens: Forge -> barracks.
Rouen: Barracks -> units.
Cherbourg: Workboat -> courthouse.
Chartres: Forge -> library.
Poitiers: Forge.
Units will be a mix of what I think we need, HA, cats, WE, boats, and so on.

Workers: My discretion.

Units:
Explore some more, make sure to get onto every coast tile there is.
When we have two more units in Suleimans stack, I will attack, and remove him, razing Bursa?
A bit too may units in Orleans, that I feel comfortable attacking it with our stack, or should I just go ahead?
Attack Tours next turn, and continue inward with the northern stack. Razing Dijon, and keeping the rest.

Diplomacy:
Sell crab to Cathy for 4 gpt and pig to Napoleon for 3 gpt.
Play nice with Napoleon, Augustus, Catherine and Victoria.

Civics and Espionage:
No change.

Stopping conditions:
Something extraordinary happens.
We win.
10 turns have passed.

haphazard1 · Sep 10, 2014

PPP looks good to me, McArine.

A question: how long until our next GP? What do we want to do with it?

Another question: how long until our next GG? What do we want to do with it?

Good luck!

nocho · Sep 10, 2014

From what we see now (that is, unless there's another path through the fog), I'm pretty sure we can't reach the southern barb city without astro. Culture won't stretch farther than 2 water tiles, will it? The tiles the barb city covers are all ocean tiles, to cross those we'll need astro.

I'd like for next set to at least have some catapults in place bombarding away the defenses of the Hindu island. Should make work of the religions now. All units destined for taking Bursa and Suleiman with it, maybe could be destined to the buddhist city next and from there go down to the holy barb city on the southern shores of England.

Beware of those units that just landed next to Marble Arch! :eek:

Reinforce Rostov with some more units, agree with the PPP here.

But still some more units from other corners might help. Seems Catherine used her GA from Music to bomb Yaroslavl.

Orleans I'd go in next turn after throwing the cats on it first.

Bursa I'd probably keep as a filler. The silver will make it pay for itself, could have some grass farms later, maybe some windmills even. No obvious resettle location for it anyway.

I think we need to send a boat to explore NW of Rome.

McArine · Sep 11, 2014

nocho said:
I'd like for next set to at least have some catapults in place bombarding away the defenses of the Hindu island. Should make work of the religions now. All units destined for taking Bursa and Suleiman with it, maybe could be destined to the buddhist city next and from there go down to the holy barb city on the southern shores of England.

Orleans I'd go in next turn after throwing the cats on it first.

Bursa I'd probably keep as a filler. The silver will make it pay for itself, could have some grass farms later, maybe some windmills even. No obvious resettle location for it anyway.

I think we need to send a boat to explore NW of Rome.

Sure, after Bursa, those units head for the buddhist city.
Go for Orleans next turn, check.
Keep Bursa.
And I'll try to have boats heading towards all corners of the map.

Ronnie1 · Sep 11, 2014

Send Triremes exploring. Galleys will die. But you have to leave some Triremes at home or our nets will get pillaged.

Good Luck!

Sleepless · Sep 11, 2014

haphazard1 said:
Could we do some kind of culture bridge to allow galleys to cross to the south? Either by taking Julius' city or by razing it and replacing, if we need a better position?

There is no way via JC's island. Possibility of something to the East but looks doubtful though we should explore where possible.

@McArine most of the builds I agree with (i.e units.

). Tbh though I'd probably put most of Louis's "poor" cities on wealth until they grow a bit. Things like the library in Chartres etc. I can't see much use and the cash will be better.

Certainly more cats less triremes would seem better to me as well.

Regarding Orleans I would attack with the 3 cats as Nocho has already mentioned..

@Haphazard1 12 turns at Marble Arch for the next GP and 38 points for the next GG. Probably settle in Copper Summit (or somewhere else) though more GG units wouldn't be bad.

Ronnie1 · Sep 11, 2014

Certainly more cats less triremes would seem better to me as well.

That was my thought also, until all the barb galleys showed. :blush:

There is a Trireme that I forgot to get back in the build que at MA, it has 27/50 :hammers:

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Remember we are in Police State, and the cities with Forges are getting +50% on military builds AND whips.

McArine · Sep 11, 2014

5 turns in, and taking a break.

We got machinery, so we need to decide what to research next.
We got Tours and Orleans with few losses, and our forces are marching on Dijon and Lyons. Still plan to raze Dijon.
We're also ready to attack Suleiman, he should be toast in a turn or two.
What to use our spy for? We don't have enough to grab a tech. Should I move him home, for later usage?
Also I got another promotion for one of our super medics, what's the next promo you guys take?

Planning to play on tomorrow. Save is uploaded.

McArine · Sep 11, 2014

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