SGOTM 21 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

Sleepless · Apr 24, 2015

Nice progress McArine.

Guess Ronnie1 or namliaM are up. Remember to upload before and after gifting the GG frigate. Could do it now as its ready to be gifted.

We do need to get a move on a bit although I'm sure we will finish in time.

McArine · Apr 24, 2015

I have time today to keep it going, if you want me to.

Just need a concensus on the approach for summer Palace.
Grab Santiago, Peace, gift Santiago, gift techs, do trade, should we start the next GA to change civics for easier +3?

Sleepless · Apr 24, 2015

McArine said:
I have time today to keep it going, if you want me to.

Just need a concensus on the approach for summer Palace.
Grab Santiago, Peace, gift Santiago, gift techs, do trade, should we start the next GA to change civics for easier +3?

I could jump in as well... Should wait for Ronnie or Nocho (not sure what has happened to namliaM) first though :lol:

Regarding peace with Isabella. Hopefully she will talk with us if not we will have to wait till she does.

As we have both the castle and walls in Cordoba we can trade for economics and corporation (which will obsolete the GLh).

What techs do we still need?

At work but I think we need combustion, rifling, AL, electricity and industrialism. No we know we can trade economics (liz)and hopefully corporation from Mansa so not many techs left to go.

I would launch the golden age after we have whipped the grocer in Cordoba and then go back to caste. Hoping to get a merchant from our fishy cities to get us through the last techs. Then on to Police State... Vassalage... etc to speed up our conquering of the world..

Ronnie1 · Apr 24, 2015

MM seems to be mia.

If McA can continue a little that is fine with me as I have a busy day today. I have free time starting Sunday afternoon, Monday and Tuesday.

I have not looked at the save, but on the Isa situation from memory, I would leave her with as little as possible so we can eliminate her quickly if/when we need to.

nocho · Apr 24, 2015

Ronnie1 said:
MM seems to be mia.

If McA can continue a little that is fine with me as I have a busy day today. I have free time starting Sunday afternoon, Monday and Tuesday.

I have not looked at the save, but on the Isa situation from memory, I would leave her with as little as possible so we can eliminate her quickly if/when we need to.

For organizational purposes I should mention that I have no serious (playing) time until Wednesday afternoon, thereafter I should be fine in the evenings (including Wednesday) and weekends. So that seems to suit quite well with Ronnie's schedule. So McA could hand over or play a couple more, then Ron, then me and then Sleepless closes the thing off, which seems in line with good tradition.

Sleepless · Apr 24, 2015

Remember to upload the save again on gifting "Elizabeth"

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Also if possible before and after gifting Cordoba.

Probably a few less galleons - more units would be good. Soon have transports for quicker movement and destroyers for removing defences.. Also look to trade rep parts (or gift) with Mansa now and hopefully he will do rifling or electricity for us.

McArine · Apr 24, 2015

Elizabeth has been gifted, and save uploaded.

McArine · Apr 24, 2015

I played another 5 turns.

Got a number of Chinese cities, peace with Isabella, and returned Santiago.
There's Christianity in Cordoba.
Also traded for Economics and Corporation.

There's another 7 turns of peace with Isabella, and troops just spend a turn healing. I would suggest that the force in former Spanish lands move towards Elizabeth, and takes her out.

Turn log1:

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Turn log 2:

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Turn log 3:

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Buffy log:

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nocho · Apr 24, 2015

Looking good!

It seems we only have 3 techs left, which we should be able to tech in 10-12 turns. Rifling will be researched by Mansa in 1 turn and we can presumably trade for it.

So bottleneck is likely the land grab. Mansa with rifles won't help conquering him of course. We should get all of China, Spain, England and Japan and then fill up with Mansa land. Meanwhile ship over units to Cathy. The needed muskets (draft!) could be stationed before we get to build tanks. That saves on needed boats.

We should launch the Golden Age asap I think.

From here on its about finding an optimal path for a minimal amount of turns. I think we should aim to finish this within 20 turns max.

It'll mean very intensive turns, but in each turn a lot can be done.

Is our ex-super frigate bloackading London by the way? Is that possible at peace??

BSPollux · Apr 25, 2015

Got a number of Chinese cities, peace with Isabella, and returned Santiago.

Was that a task you did there? if so, did you document it anywhere and I missed it? I noted the ship screens, but where are those for the city?

nocho · Apr 25, 2015

BSPollux said:
Was that a task you did there? if so, did you document it anywhere and I missed it? I noted the ship screens, but where are those for the city?

No, the gift of Santiago is in preparation of the task (to get sufficient diplo), but not the task itself. That'll be gifting Cordoba. I think we can do that now, but we'll duly document it.

Sleepless · Apr 25, 2015

nocho said:
Looking good!

It seems we only have 3 techs left, which we should be able to tech in 10-12 turns. Rifling will be researched by Mansa in 1 turn and we can presumably trade for it.Yep.. Al and Industrialism

So bottleneck is likely the land grab. Mansa with rifles won't help conquering him of course. We should get all of China, Spain, England and Japan and then fill up with Mansa land. Meanwhile ship over units to Cathy. The needed muskets (draft!) could be stationed before we get to build tanks. That saves on needed boats.Still might be quicker for an AP victory? Need to convert a few civs still

We should launch the Golden Age asap I think.Yep.

From here on its about finding an optimal path for a minimal amount of turns. I think we should aim to finish this within 20 turns max. It'll mean very intensive turns, but in each turn a lot can be done.

Is our ex-super frigate bloackading London by the way? Is that possible at peace??Not sure about the tile use in London though it shouldn't be blockading. Have to get a destroyer to kill it if needs be.

A lot of land still to grab and we'll have to raze and resettle for faster grabbing shortly. Def think an AP victory should still be a possibility though much more satisfying to win by domination.. :lol:

Sleepless · Apr 25, 2015

nocho said:
No, the gift of Santiago is in preparation of the task (to get sufficient diplo), but not the task itself. That'll be gifting Cordoba. I think we can do that now, but we'll duly document it.

Still need the grocer in Cordoba before gifting. Should be able to whip shortly. Can also gift Isabella a nice tech to get the +4 should get us to +3.

nocho · Apr 25, 2015

Sleepless said:
Still need the grocer in Cordoba before gifting. Should be able to whip shortly. Can also gift Isabella a nice tech to get the +4 should get us to +3.

I see a grocer in Cordoba already, so she can go shopping. We should indeed still gift her education or something.

b) Build her a luxurious summer residence (Gift her a city built on desert and next to the coast or an oasis that has an Odeon, a Grocer and a Castle), you must be at +3 relations with her when you gift this city.

To make sure.

All ok, apart from one lacking diplo point.

Also think AP might be quicker, but domination looks more straightforward. Getting the percentages right for AP could be tricky (having less than 75, right? Also, how would we make ourselves eligible? Capture the AP city?)

Ronnie1 · Apr 25, 2015

Caught up on the thread.

Looked at the save some last night after work. We are spread out everywhere!

I think the easiest way to an AP win would be to leave Liz alive and in control of the AP.
Then,
1) Convert to Christianity
2) Infect the remaining civs
3) Keep relations with Cathy at +10 or better
4) Win

Will put start putting PPP together later today maybe or tomorrow for sure.

nocho · Apr 25, 2015

How will we keep Cathy at +10 with religious difference?

Maybe capture AP but gift back London and N'ham?

Ronnie1 · Apr 25, 2015

Pay her to convert to Free Religion? I don't know for sure.

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