On test game by running 2f1c tile for 2 turns I end up at 149 hammers on T41. Mainly because I used 2f1c for 2 turns. Hmmmm. What is the difference in micro here? I could try for 1 turn on test game.
Yep my micro is off for T41. Hmmm. Are you starting on eastern or western hill?
If you do not build warrior first and mine to the west first, you can get the GW on T41 if you work four mines and no pigs on T40. I used the test game I posted a week ago. I am not certain if there is a turn difference in masonry. I thought there was based on Packers' screenshots. I do not have access to a CPU.
Yes if I avoided pigs on T40 I would of gained a turn. I assumed you got T41 not doing this.
On live game we do appear to have masonry a turn earlier. I had edited my test game to show this.
Okay to get T141. I used 2f1c for 1 turn. Then used 1f2h if mine was not ready. I end up on T41 with TGW complete but s5 1 turn off. I tried doing 2 turns of 2f1c. The issue was it didn't time well as it shrunk a city size at S5 when i needed the 13 hammers.
I should be clear that I don't have strong feelings about the Wheel, but we should get a worker tech before we finish the last mine. We should be prepared to change our plans if a forest grows on one of Rome's hills.
Well best worker tech might be agriculture if we plan farms. The trade route only really supplies 1 commerce. Of course farms are only useful if we needed growth and had happiness. of course 2-3 farms later could be great if we have mids.
That being said building lots of roads early on is never great. I don't anticpate roads towards stone. Unless we wanted chariots early? If isolated only really useful if barb cities to attack. hmmm.
I really have a bad head cold today. Time to firm up a plan.
Plan.
Tech - Agriculture
Science 100%
EP stick with Persians? It does appear Arabians could be one to focus on if ahead tech wise. Elite's numbers are interesting.
Builds - Switch to great wall next turn.
Heal x3 warriors to str2. Promote wounded warrior?
Return John circling the hill and forest.
Tiles to work in capital.
Pigs
Pigs 1x2f1c.
Pigs 1x1f2H.
Pigs 1f3h1c (Western hill.)<------ (that way)
Then continue to use 1f2h forest or mine tiles on growth.
If a hill develops a forest then pause.
The only 2 forests that can develop forests are to SE of capital. Forest can only spread N, E, S or west. (Not SE SW NE or NW). Possible way to safeguard this could be to work those two hills first or just take the risk. The ironic thing is these are the last 2 forests we plan to mine. Has BSp put far too much thought into this map?? Hmmm.
Warrior issues. Run from bears. Try to head back safely once healed. Try to avoid fights is possible.
What BS meens ?
I didnt said that we will not whip in Rome oposite we will for sure.
But what iam suposing is that we will grow to fast with grenary witch force us to produce workers (maybe too many).
But iam not sure dont have expirience with playing a gamet trough froum, need to check it out.
Maybe if we will work only mines all time grenary could be usefull( farms to optimize overflow).
Mysticism is a great alternative, but I don't believe the Oracle is truly worth so much less since we cannot trade the free tech for 4-5 other techs. Of course, you could argue that since we can't trade for techs, it is more valuable. I favor the former viewpoint.
Main thing about Oracle is not to Oracle somekind fo tech, but is to oracle monarchy.
In normal game without tech tradeing is ok i can agree with your arguments.
But i dont agree here with this rules where ability to grow, define your empire this cant be compered only from techtradeing view allso we have some wine witch we can sell.
But anyway Saladin will gets it, iam preety sure hes ai witch is going for oracle and he have tools to do this in this game.
Green from me for the wheel->Agc
Doesnt rly matter witch is 1st when we end mining ( even if forest grow on NE hill or on 1 of them) we should have rdy bouth techs.
Then we can micro with worker 1 move road stop then move again imporrve tile.
About warriors i would promote that guy to w1 and take a shoot on this forested hill vs bear.
Do we have 1 more warrior with exp ?
If we want to settle that stone, good to have 2 at least wm1 warriors, best to have 2 wm2 or, 1 woodman2 warrior and 1 woodman1 to escort this settler.
1 wm2 guy isnt enough just cheked, lost him and settler he didnt manage to win on forested hill vs 2 warriors.
Edit.
hold on a sec plz
Ok so i tested mids plan, i meen how i would do this.
Feedback wellcome.
1st of all i didnt knew where this warrior are so my moves are probably diferent.
Gorge was hanging around in north jungle and i made him wm2.
Jhon was hanging around in east forest fogbusting and he get wm1 promo.
Didnt use Paul too much beocse i didnt knew where he is so i jsut back him and fortify on 3W hill.
Ringo back to base MP.
Spoiler:
When i reached Mansonry i went streigh for GW then for settler-lib ( 1 turn warrior meens 1 turn later settler).
Worked 2 turn 2f1c tile and here i can grow in 1 turn after last mine is completed instand of 2 ( didnt check how it is working 1 turn 2f1c tile and 1 turn 1f2h tile)
At this point i moved back Gorge and Jhon for escort of settler. Paul MP in cap Ringo fogbusting horse site.
tech path agc-writing
turn 46
sailing-mistycyzm( stone site needs monument) -BW
turn 56
After lib i bulid 3 additional warriors, working mines all time, i have mp in Rome right in time.
Didnt want to stop fog busting horse site
Turn 62 (allmoust)
Jhon escorted George through hill and stayed as mp in stone site.
Gorge manage to be back in time in cap for MP, 1 additional warrior.
2 free turns of reaserch, well allmoust in time of BW ;/.
turn 64
I would put this 2 turns in math .
If no copper go archery and replace warriors with archers, bulid aqueduck and go for HGs ( nice amont of GE points, ,pop, wonder)
I will update finish date of Mids. ( 925BC Mids, turn 78, 1 turn later if we dont want to choop in to )
Sry for this edits.
my questions are do we go for mids?
where we want to settle 2nd and 3th ?
do we want to settle horse site?
If we decide where to settle we can start talking about tech path.
Some debate is good on these games is good. I wouldn't read too much into some opinions. It's just a game. (That we will crush every other team if we can.)
Good to see some testing Yeahh. The barb issue down south is why I kept a warrior fog busting the gems. The alternative is to build a galley. Probably safer and we may find an island to settle. BSP is very good at giving us island cities.
Happy for TW, Agriculture. Shulec was happy with TW too.
I like fish as second city for the food and definate coastal access. Horse is nice if we were truly going for an early war. Not so sure we will be here. Would require a lot of shipping units early on.
George has 2xp.
John/Ringo have 1xp.
Paul 0xp.
Due to their distance from capital any plans for that bear are out the window for now.
Good testing Yyeah.
Changes to plan so far will be promo to northern warrior. WM1. Tech TW
I wanted comment on city micro with f1c tile. T41 is target for TGW.
Are we happy as a team trying for mids??? It was just an idea. It scares me when people use my ideas. I am wrong quite a lot. lol
Wait a minute with this wheel.
If we going mids, no wheel, or no mistycyzm but then we wont have border pop in stone city and we cant work fish.
look at this test i belive its fastest mids you can bulid here and i skipped wheel there.
2nd city i settled on stone, settler must be escorted by at least 2 wm1 warriors.
Where are this warriors ??? plz put some screens.
OR we can go for wheel and potery instand of writing and bulid greanary instand of lib tahts good.
Yea it could be even better i dont test it but prbably in this case BW will be righ in time of 3th city and we can choose then do we want horses or fish.
I like this mids plan but more ppl need to discuss about it, maybe test it.
And what i want to say we dont have to agree with each other even better if we dont agree becouse we will have more plans for game, then we can test it or debate about it and choose best idea
Second city I settled as fish!!! Not the stone. You are right about myst. We need it for border pop. The alternative is to settle it and build the quarry.
So I would build GW. Build 1-2 warriors. Before settler. Settle 1NE of fish. Then build workboat there. I would not settle stone second city. Way too much delay for second city. Unless you truly want mids that quickly???
I will eat and post a test run to compare. I will see if I can load up some live game pics later. Eating now!!
900BC Mids for me its very late.
If you want to deley 900BC mids + bulid quarry its ... i dont know this could be too late.
Yes iam deleying 2nd city by about 14 turns but i have 4th like 60 turns ealier and mids.
If you going for mids, go for it, if you want to go for maybe mids dont do this.
Pics uploaded. The whole point of a team is discussing best strategies. We have the southern stone. We also have 2 eastern stone that would require road but has no food. I like southern stone as we can almost build a settler and forget about it for 10+ turns.
Of course you don't get stone till sailing and we have a coastal city.
I have no idea about 4th city dates. never played the game that far on so seriously. Besides right now we can't even tell which of 4 warriors will live here.
We could just leave Ringo down there and build more warriors later?? My logic here is it would stop a barb city spawning there. If we plan to go stone second city that could work.
This isnt too bad east warrior on way back home have 1 dagerous tile this non forested plain hill,
if you go thourgh hills you safe and you can haggin around on this forested hills to promote him,
same George prmote and hanging around on jungle hills.
I dont know what with Ringo on south personally i wouldnt fog bust there, i would fortify him on gems so barbs wont spaw there, but maybe you right to be safe, fog bust ther with him but we need another 1 then on gems.
This western warrior should go back home for MP.
I didnt settle 4th city too, but for 4th city we need 8 pop and 8 doable only with Monarchy, when we get Monarchy ? 60 turns ? maybe more, maybe less.
Bouth horse site and fish site are costal ... np.
And sailing isnt bad too, i dont c any option for road to some1 here ...
Edit:
Ringo cant fog bust there becosue we need 2 warrirors ,2 wm1 warriors to escort this settler, if he stays there we need additoinal warrior for mp,
but in other hand if barb city spawn there i will be sad .
Issue for 3rd and 4th city is we need 3 and 4 buildings respectively. Doable. Test save is never going to be perfect. I have had to move Mansa and Aztecs. We also have no Mecca. So we can only really use it to plan our own empire. Because the Ai starts will be way off. Simply not enough land for 6 more AI. Which means they could be quite cramped on this map or have small islands. I have divided up the land by way of mountains.
To get test game closer to live game I have played it 1 turn past live game and we have masonry. I manually moved the warriors in world builder. I can't replicate the injuries. Happy testing all.
I agree on the gem and warrior idea in principle. Getting him there alive is another matter. Agree on way to return warriors. Risk him or fog bust gems now? We need a few turns to heal first.
My main query was on food tile micro for GW. Any thoughts?
Not much is likely to change till we build TGW. My gut is get the wonder built then plan for Mids or whatever team chooses. Your 2nd city stone could be a good idea.
Big risk not fog busting key sites vs keeping warrior alive. We still have option to build that 5th warrior for the turn delay. Given the state of our strecthed out units its not a bad idea. 1 turn could save a mine being pillaged. It's a cruel game!!! Choices!! lol
There's still lots of time to think about mids, not an issue for this turnset or even the next. As we learn more about the map our priorities might change. On monarch I doubt the AI will build mids before 500BC.
Mids are very expensive, we could also consider the option to build them somewhere else than cap for a clean GE pool. Cap could focus on getting up infra to grow and cheaper wonders. Have no time for testing now, don't know if this at all would be a possible option..
I don't think anywhere else is possible for mids. Southern stone city needs more forest. 5x2=10HPT=50T. We need 7 world wonders in Rome. The other 2 stone sites are much poorer. No food!!
We really lack the land to spam decent cities.
Any thoughts on micro for TGW?? I keep asking this qu to no reply.
I think we should focus on completing GW and then plan mids. Mapwise I think we are done exploring.
Need to firm up plan and play really. Not moved game on for nearly 1 week or so now. I do want to get things right!!
The better way to do this would have been to give AIs masonry until we get masonry the correct turn. If that doesnt work, you can edit in a goldmine or something for a turn or two to get it earlier. It might get a bit tricky to keep food and hammer yields the same, but with temporary edits while playing test game it's always possible to reach the exact same state as real game.
Long day ahead for me tomorrow. Final changes to plan please. I will play on tomorrow.
Key questions!
Extra warrior or TGW asap? Risk of barb city near stone?
Tech TW next? I think most agree here.
Tile micro S2 use 2f1C for one turn. Then switch to forest for 1 turns followed by mine.
Fog bust near stone or move to gems.
The rest i am pretty happy with. Our exploring days are numbered for now. Heal and return.
Sorry, can't test any micro now. If what you suggest has been tested and works, then that's fine. TW next sounds good. I'd move the warrior from stone to gems.
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Time to firm up a plan.
,pop, wonder)
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and potery instand of writing and bulid greanary instand of lib tahts good. 
Assuming we can even beat the Ai to mids.
