Saves are available. How much exploring do we need to do before we settle?
In place or 1-north doesn't look too bad?
In place or 1-north doesn't look too bad?
SGOTM 22 - Xteam
- Thread starter AlanH
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To be clear: I'm only against a coastal capital city if no seafood is present, which is fairly likely, so I am against moving the settler two tiles and delaying settling yet another turn if no seafood turns up. Probably worth the extra turn to find out if seafood is available, (before settling in place) and one more turn to move settler there.
No tech trading makes Space even more difficult.
We need to decide on the first couple of moves and get going.
OK, here is neil's suggestion.
Who wants the mouse in their hand?
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And the map:
Who wants the mouse in their hand?
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And the map:
Spoiler :
Htadus
A and L's dad
Do we have consensus on where to settle?
Don't think so.
Concur. We should test a seafood/coastal capital. How much will the loss of hammer production hurt us? If we do scout for two turns, don't think we need to move the settler until the second turn depending on scouting results.
Before we test seafood start, shouldn't we move the Warriors and scout to see if it is necessary?
Otherwise, let's just settle inland?
Otherwise, let's just settle inland?
Yes, no point doing any testing until we have map info. It is smart to move the settler just 1SW so he can move back to SIP on the second turn if no seafood shows up.
No tech trading surely kills Space.
I am happy with Great Wall as our first wonder as even though raging barbs on Monarch are not a disaster, they can be unpredicatable. As we need lots of wonders anyway and at least 1 building to settle city 2, it seems like the best thing to build first.
edit: I can go first if there are no other takers
No tech trading surely kills Space.
I am happy with Great Wall as our first wonder as even though raging barbs on Monarch are not a disaster, they can be unpredicatable. As we need lots of wonders anyway and at least 1 building to settle city 2, it seems like the best thing to build first.
edit: I can go first if there are no other takers
Ronnie1
Deity
Checking in! Sorry for the delay, still having internet issues.
Will catch up on the thread immediately.
Will catch up on the thread immediately.
Good show.
OK, good point.
I will run some test saves based on finding nothing and something
I will run some test saves based on finding nothing and something
Just from playing out a few times from the test save, Great Wall is a must. Barbs are just such a pain and it means we get 1 wonder down (from 7).
-SIP gives lots of early production due to the unforested hills that can be mined.
-1N (aka Spot 3) sucks. It does not have the unforested GH's that SIP has (it has the same as coastal), but nothing else going for it except bananas which need IW & Calendar, with no tech trading! (try it for yourself if you doubt me
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-Coastal is great IF there is extra food, we have a slower start, but tons of food.
This requirement is killer:
To own 5 cities we must have a pop of 10! Of course we can run farms but this will be a slow grow... and means no cottages and no whipping...and few mines to build those 7 wonders we need
So exploring the coast is a risk, but I think it is totally worth it. Worst case scenario we SIP 1 turn later than everyone else.
edit: I have attached a few saves (SIP/coast with first settler out/settled) and a new 4000BC test save with: BUFFY, fish on coast, 1 tile fix
-SIP gives lots of early production due to the unforested hills that can be mined.
-1N (aka Spot 3) sucks. It does not have the unforested GH's that SIP has (it has the same as coastal), but nothing else going for it except bananas which need IW & Calendar, with no tech trading! (try it for yourself if you doubt me
)-Coastal is great IF there is extra food, we have a slower start, but tons of food.
This requirement is killer:
Your capital has at least twice the number of civilians as your city count (including the new one). So if you own three cities and want to build a fourth one you need a population of at least eight.
To own 5 cities we must have a pop of 10! Of course we can run farms but this will be a slow grow... and means no cottages and no whipping...and few mines to build those 7 wonders we need
So exploring the coast is a risk, but I think it is totally worth it. Worst case scenario we SIP 1 turn later than everyone else.
edit: I have attached a few saves (SIP/coast with first settler out/settled) and a new 4000BC test save with: BUFFY, fish on coast, 1 tile fix
After reading the rules again, I think early BW is a huge mistake as we can use our 4 warriors in the capital to allow us to settle the second city.
If we get BW, we need to build 4 new units.
It will almost certainly be worthwhile delaying BW until after city 3 even, as without it we will need to build 2 cheap new units (warriors/scouts)
OR
build 6 Axes/Spears !
edit: no more thread spamming tonight!
If we get BW, we need to build 4 new units.
It will almost certainly be worthwhile delaying BW until after city 3 even, as without it we will need to build 2 cheap new units (warriors/scouts)
OR
build 6 Axes/Spears !
edit: no more thread spamming tonight!
Let's hope Horses are available to us.
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Nice job on the tests neil. The other point that really comes out of your testing is that we need good scouting to locate resources to help us stay happy and healthy, happy prioritized I think. Hope we can have grumblers counted as citizens when we found cities...
Ronnie1
Deity
Nothing I read says "happy" citizens, just population!
I am of the opinion that food will be more critical than ever based on the population requirements.
I favor exploring for seafood before settling.
I am also in favor of the GW for the reasons neilmeister listed.
I am of the opinion that food will be more critical than ever based on the population requirements.
I favor exploring for seafood before settling.
I am also in favor of the GW for the reasons neilmeister listed.
I believe 1N has a 2-commerce wine tile going for it and lots of forested hills.
