SGOTM 23 - Turbo Ants

[WastinTime]

So the above Istanbul workout addresses your concern. We can produce a 200gp GM/GA in Istanbul. Either way we can save a GA for our third GAge.

We do not want to do that.
Saving that GArt for the 2nd golden age is great, but we would not want to save it for the 3rd GAge. If we do that, we run the risk of getting 2 artists (because of Berlin)
Berlin and Athens will make our 100% guaranteed 3rd Golden age along with a GS.

 

[WastinTime]

I need to re-visit the GP plan, but I suspect we will want Alexa to be 200 gpp, so it has time to get us 2 more GSs...the trick is getting that last GS (the 1200?) early enough to not delay the 4? final GMs after it. Hopefully a slight Alexa starvedown timing will work out.

 

[WastinTime]

Assuming we want to work in an extra GP to our 1800 plan making it 2000...

existing GS (Gage)

200 alexaGS + existing GArt (for GAge 2)
300 alexa GS (chem)
400 Istanbul GS (chem)
500 Thebes GM/GE (Econ)
600 Munich GS (3rd GAge 3)
700 Berlin GArt (GAge 3)
800 Athens GM/GP (GAge 3)
900 Paris GS (Edu)
1000 Fredburg GS (edu) (vv maybe swap with Alexa)
1200 AlexaGS (PPress) (^^ swap w Fred ?)
1400 Hamburg
1600 Lisbon
1800 Istanbul
2000 Thebes

 

[LowtherCastle]

why are you bothering to get Istanbul to make a GP? I thought we changed that plan. Are you still trying to bulb Philo?

I didn't realize we had changed that plan. I thought you wanted to avoid using the Artist for GA#2.

lh in Alexa? Are you saying you're able to make up the 1pop and then some? I'm having trouble imagining that.

That's because you're allergic to lhs, even when they're half-priced. Anyway, it only works if we're delaying the ALexa GS, which your latest plan doesn't do.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Assuming we want to work in an extra GP to our 1800 plan making it 2000...

existing GS (Gage)

200 alexaGS + existing GArt (for GAge 2)
300 alexa GS (chem)
400 Istanbul GS (chem)
500 Thebes GM/GE (Econ)
600 Munich GS (3rd GAge 3)
700 Berlin GArt (GAge 3)
800 Athens GM/GP (GAge 3)
900 Paris GS (Edu)
1000 Fredburg GS (edu) (vv maybe swap with Alexa)
1200 AlexaGS (PPress) (^^ swap w Fred ?)
1400 Hamburg
1600 Lisbon
1800 Istanbul
2000 Thebes

Supercool. I can run with that. Thanks.

Btw, did you actually work this out? If so, starting the first GA when?

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[WastinTime]

I did not work out the GP plan in detail yet. Not sure if alexa can manage 200, 300 and 1200 among other questions like can Istanbul do 400, 1800.

For the most part it is very similar to the previous plan which I did have worked out in detail.

Not sure if you can start the GA now or T103 or ??

 

[LowtherCastle]

Assuming we want to work in an extra GP to our 1800 plan making it 2000...

existing GS (Gage)

200 alexaGS + existing GArt (for GAge 2)
300 alexa GS (chem)
400 Istanbul GS (chem)
500 Thebes GM/GE (Econ)
600 Munich GS (3rd GAge 3)
700 Berlin GArt (GAge 3)
800 Athens GM/GP (GAge 3)
900 Paris GS (Edu)
1000 Fredburg GS (edu) (vv maybe swap with Alexa)
1200 AlexaGS (PPress) (^^ swap w Fred ?)
1400 Hamburg
1600 Lisbon
1800 Istanbul
2000 Thebes

On second thought, this sux because Fredburg is taken away from Knight production forever and a day. I had Fredburg going third for that reason:

Birth turn, GPP, City
200 GPP Alexa T107
T= Golden age = T112
T+ 3 = 300 Fredburg GS
T+ 4 = 400 Alexa
T+ 5 = 500 Thebes GM/GE
T+ 9 = 600 Munich
T+10 = 700 Berlin GM/GA (HE) - for golden age
T+12 = 800 Athens GS+GP (oracle/moai) (for golden age must be <= T+12)
T+13 = 900 Paris
T+14 = 1000 Hamburg
T+16 = 1200 Lisbon
T+17 = 1400 Istanbul
T+19 = 1600 Alexa GS
T+20 = 1800 Thebes GM/GE

 

[LowtherCastle]

I did not work out the GP plan in detail yet. Not sure if alexa can manage 200, 300 and 1200 among other questions like can Istanbul do 400, 1800.

For the most part it is very similar to the previous plan which I did have worked out in detail.

Not sure if you can start the GA now or T103 or ??

Okay. Let's try to get Fredburg at 300, Alexa at 400 and Istanbul at 500 or something like that. Munich can get pushed back as much as needed (I hope).

 

[LowtherCastle]

Kind of a bummer that Istanbul will be making a GM.

 

[WastinTime]

Note: there are a couple Joao scouts that could interfere with Athens plans, so don't cut the build there too close. Allow for flexibility. Scouts could block the sheep or mine tiles, etc.

 

[WastinTime]

I don't think Alexa can do 400 and then also 1000 or 1200. Probably needs to go before Fred.

If you want to do Fred early then you have to make sure that you can get Munich, Berlin, and Athens <= T+12. You're adding another 100gpp to each of those cities. I'm not sure Munich can handle that. I also think early Fred puts too much stress on Istanbul to produce the 2nd GP.
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The other option is to just cut the 2nd Edu GS and go back to 1800 total gpp.
Your choices there include:
a) cutting Fred completely, or
b) cutting Istanbul's first GP and only produce one there.
c) other?
These all put Munich, Berlin, Athens back on the original plan.
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Also, If you really want Istanbul to do a GS, then you might be able to switch with Paris.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Note: there are a couple Joao scouts that could interfere with Athens plans, so don't cut the build there too close. Allow for flexibility. Scouts could block the sheep or mine tiles, etc.

And equally bad or worse, block the worker from chopping. We might send an HA there.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Joao will be DEAD on T103 (knock on wood), so it's just until then. Does that mean only T102 is an issue? Btard will probably molest the sheep.

 

[LowtherCastle]

ZPV, I need to figure out which cities will have precedence for popping GPs. Is it simply the sequence we see them in when scrolling from city to city in the game?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Doing the actual GP calcs is a bear, but I'm working it. Not easy to get all these gpps.

 

[WastinTime]

ZPV, I need to figure out which cities will have precedence for popping GPs. Is it simply the sequence we see them in when scrolling from city to city in the game?

yea, that's right. And yes, it is important to know that and work it into the plan as you know.

 

[ZPV]

yea, that's right. And yes, it is important to know that and work it into the plan as you know.

Yes - you can also see the order on the F1 domestic advisor screen, for instance. (Higher up on the list = GP points are processed first, so tiebreaker GPs pop from the highest city on the list.)

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[Mitchum]

Doing the actual GP calcs is a bear, but I'm working it. Not easy to get all these gpps.

LC, I created a spreadsheet a few games ago to help with this. I assume you have one of your own too but if not, let me know.

I have some time this week and can help cement the GPP plan if you need a little help. Although the toughest part of the plan is knowing the total pops and # of specialists each city can run on each turn and I would need those details to help.

If you want, post your current plan that has a bit more detail than the current one (i.e. # of specialist in each city, turn revolting to Pacifism, completion date of Parthenon, etc.) and I'll do what I can.

EDIT: What is your timetable for finalizing the PPP and playing a turn or ten?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Help! If I finish the granary with food at 24/34, p7. Then add 14f next turn, what's in the food bin? ??/36, p8

 

[ZPV]

Help! If I finish the granary with food at 24/34, p7. Then add 14f next turn, what's in the food bin? ??/36, p8

18/36

14f from the granary, plus 4 overflow.