SGOTM 23 - Unallocated

marbe166 · Aug 21, 2016

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haphazard1 · Aug 21, 2016

Sounds good, marbe166! :thumbsup:

Not sure I see the point in leaving Stalin alive? If it is just to get Nationalism, we could tech it pretty quickly. If we are not in position to continue attcking then it could be worth it, but we need to keep pushing against the AIs. Hatty should also be eliminated -- I was accumulating some troops in southern Africa for that purpose. She did not have much left.

Still lots of conquering to do. :hammer:

And railroad construction. With Steam Power we may want levees in some cities, would have to check the terrain.

ikotomi · Aug 21, 2016

Free tech is free tech though and we can keep hitting other AI's while we wait 10 turns. Getting nationalism gets us faster drafting, and we can start working towards cuirassiers/rifling faster.

My guess is that the game will be over before we break even on levees. We should still be heavily drafting/whipping every city.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 21, 2016

We should use any Great Generals we get for Super Healers; what is slowing us down is slow healing over a wide front; having a large number of super healers spread over our wide front will speed up our conquest over the whole front;

Settled Great Generals might be more useful in Ironworks or Heroic Epic cities building CR3 Cannons. Such units would keep damage to out units low. The only problem with this would bd massive counter-attacks, which would mainly need to be knights to hurt our stacks.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 21, 2016

I could take the save in a few hours, if noone else is planning to take it.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 21, 2016

Well done haphazard and marbe!

haphazard1 · Aug 21, 2016

Good luck, Sun Tzu Wu! :hammer:

We have at least 4 super medics already, although they may be clustered together (they were mostly in Task Group Russia North at the end of my turns, I think). But we have several. So maybe settled as great instructors?

Levees are a maybe, at this point. We still have quite a few turns left, I think. Conquering eastward through Mongolia, India, and China (plus Persia) will take a while. But it depends on the city terrain and how many hammers we could pick up. If a city will get 10+ hammers from the levee, plus forge bonus, it does not take long to pay back. If we would only get 4-5 hammers per turn, then probably not worth it at this point. But if we are going to build them at all, now is the time for it.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 21, 2016

I though we were going to Liberalize Railroad, but we have only 4t of Railroad left.

Since we have 8 of 12 AIs left, we could Liberalize Rifling and then research Nationalism and Military Tradition for Cavalry. A strong 2 move unit would be quite useful. Otherwise, liberalizing Military Tradition makes sense; we could draft Musketeers and whip Cuirassiers.

ikotomi · Aug 21, 2016

Railroad still greatly improves our conquest because of reinforcement rates. Since it's the higher cost tech, I think we should liberalize railroad and then self tech the rest.

Edit: we got a GS earlier, does it let us bulb riflery?

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 21, 2016

We are only at war with Stalin. We should have a wide front with 4-5 AIs near our borders. Our military is far superior to the medieval units the AI has. Mass Cannons should decimate the AI stacks. We just need to be careful about defending our Cannons with Musketeers against AI Knights.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 21, 2016

t185: Stalin will Cease Fire, Capitulate, give Yekateringburg, Nationalism, World Map and 20W.

We should take this deal and have Stalin as our only only vassal or make the same offer without Capitulation and finish him off in 10t.

The latter seems fine, since it will take us much longer to get a Conquest Victory than 10t.

Packers5280 · Aug 21, 2016

If we only have 4 turns left on RR, I think libbing rifling is a good idea. The winning condition is the deciding factor, not getting RR. No need to rush for RR if we aren't close to wiping out the AI's.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 21, 2016

I will finish Railroad, since we have only 4t left and can start building the Orient Express.

I will take Nationalism + Yekaterinburg + World Map + 20W for peace with Stalin.

Next, liberalizing Military Tradition makes sense, since this will allow us to draft Musketeers and whip Cuirassiers. Rifling will prevent drafting 2 plot moving Musketeers; we don't need slow Rifleman to achieve a quick Conquest Victory; we need 2 move units to hasten victory.

ikotomi · Aug 21, 2016

I'm a little bit confused here. Did we already have beakers in Railroad? If we're teching Railroad first anyways, wouldn't liberalizing Railroad and then teching Nationalism/Military Tradition still be faster as the time lost is gained by the beakers we save with Liberalism?

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 22, 2016

Railroad is 60% completed; only 4t left; We can complete Liberalism in 3t turns, saving just 1t liberalizing Railroad versus researching the rest of Railroad.

Thus, I'm suggesting we liberalize Military Tradition or perhaps Rifling instead.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 22, 2016

t185: Stalin Nationalism + Yakerinburg + World Map + 20W + 2 Wpt for Peace Treaty

t185: All AIs willing to trade World Map: traded World Map for best terms.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 22, 2016

Now that we can adopt Nationhood, I suggest we do that plus adopt Mercantilism; we don't have that many trade routes and no overseas trade routes, so Mercantilism should be a much better option.

We can use the Great Scientist to start a Golden Age and thus avoid the civics change anarchy.

I believe there will be a Apostolic Palace Resident election in 9t and a RLDV option 10t after that. We could win a RLDV if we spread Christianity and convert to Christianity. It may be faster than a Conquest Victory at this point.

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 22, 2016

t185: Great Scientist started 1st Golden Age

t185: Adopted Nationhood and Mercantilism - 0t Anarchy via Golden Age (we lost 37 Wpt in reduced trade route value; well worth the free specialist in each city).

t185: Drafted 3 Musketeers

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 22, 2016

t186: Gandhi offers to be a Peace Vassal; we decline!

t186: Declared War on Hatshepsut

Sun Tzu Wu · Aug 22, 2016

t188: Completed Railroad

t188: We will complete Liberalism in 2t

t188: Joao II declared War on Hatshepsut

t188: We declared War on Joao II, Kublai Khan and Darius I

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