^ yup, you are right, thx (glad I started the library now)
Didn't play tonight. Probably Tues night.
Didn't play tonight. Probably Tues night.
SGOTM 23 - Unusual Suspects
- Thread starter AlanH
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Well played
Looks like where in the race for the thirdplace.
With the new situation I would say that rr could be in already around turn 170 but calculationg army marching with some healing still gets us to conq at turn 210ish. I would say that getting the army up ASAP is our #1 priority atm. The best way to do that is to start our GA for the draft and the best way to do so is to whip library and grocer now and dont let them grow into maxoverflow. By running max specialist in Lisbon we could have an GA in 8 turns while NE won't be finished in 10 turns anyway even with max ovwhipping. Taj is 10+ turns away to even with unhealth ineffective whipping.
Looks like where in the race for the thirdplace.
With the new situation I would say that rr could be in already around turn 170 but calculationg army marching with some healing still gets us to conq at turn 210ish. I would say that getting the army up ASAP is our #1 priority atm. The best way to do that is to start our GA for the draft and the best way to do so is to whip library and grocer now and dont let them grow into maxoverflow. By running max specialist in Lisbon we could have an GA in 8 turns while NE won't be finished in 10 turns anyway even with max ovwhipping. Taj is 10+ turns away to even with unhealth ineffective whipping.
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Took longer than planned. Only catapults bombarding Novgorad and Stalin had Itsa Chicken in Moscow. Captured Moscow (4 wonders) last turn, captured Novgorad (MoM) and Smolensk this turn.
One turn from Great Person in Lisbon. Three turns from Taj.
One turn from Liberalism.
There were three armies: Moscow, Rostov, Novgorad. They have all just converged. Time to split them into three groups again (with three Great Medics). And go after TBR.
Option 1:
a) Yekaterinburg, Orenburg, Vladivostok
b) Yakutsk, Turfan, east
c) Tabriz, Beshbalik, southeast
Option 2:
cease fire with Russia
a & b) Mongolia
c) India (or Mongolian forces in India, then China?)
Plus (d) 3 galleys and 5 trebuchets are getting into position for England; need to build rest of invasion force. 3 trebs in Paris keeping the peace from war exhaustion. This is reason I bring up possibility of peace w Russia.
Great General with Chariot, has one movement point left can make Great Medic. Maybe wait and spill over to promote more units.
Most units have moved, not all.
Watch out for Kubla's army in India!
Time for fresh eyes or just to share the fun.
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Pictures:
1. Hatty wanted both Chemistry and Nationalism for Education. So, I put one turn into Education and was able to make trade in screenshot
2. Sold Drama; not as many tech sales this turnset - next player should consider some
3. Saladin has his own silver now (his culture took ours) - so sold him fish for 5 gpt
4. Knights from Moscow area were able to help capture Smolensk by attacking from its NW (Finally, Russian culture isn't such a big deal)
Took longer than planned. Only catapults bombarding Novgorad and Stalin had Itsa Chicken in Moscow. Captured Moscow (4 wonders) last turn, captured Novgorad (MoM) and Smolensk this turn.
One turn from Great Person in Lisbon. Three turns from Taj.
One turn from Liberalism.
There were three armies: Moscow, Rostov, Novgorad. They have all just converged. Time to split them into three groups again (with three Great Medics). And go after TBR.
Option 1:
a) Yekaterinburg, Orenburg, Vladivostok
b) Yakutsk, Turfan, east
c) Tabriz, Beshbalik, southeast
Option 2:
cease fire with Russia
a & b) Mongolia
c) India (or Mongolian forces in India, then China?)
Plus (d) 3 galleys and 5 trebuchets are getting into position for England; need to build rest of invasion force. 3 trebs in Paris keeping the peace from war exhaustion. This is reason I bring up possibility of peace w Russia.
Great General with Chariot, has one movement point left can make Great Medic. Maybe wait and spill over to promote more units.
Most units have moved, not all.
Watch out for Kubla's army in India!
Time for fresh eyes or just to share the fun.
---
Pictures:
1. Hatty wanted both Chemistry and Nationalism for Education. So, I put one turn into Education and was able to make trade in screenshot
2. Sold Drama; not as many tech sales this turnset - next player should consider some
3. Saladin has his own silver now (his culture took ours) - so sold him fish for 5 gpt
4. Knights from Moscow area were able to help capture Smolensk by attacking from its NW (Finally, Russian culture isn't such a big deal)
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Here is your Session Turn Log from 700 AD to 860 AD:
Turns 145-151
Turns 145-151
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Turn 152
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Turn 153
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Followup from previous discussions.
Yes, whipped library and grocery in Lisbon and ran max specialists.
Galley successfully lured Trireme away from Istanbul. I had moved it out of the city for that purpose.
Wayward treb (out of place due to faulty mouse double click) was successfully protected.
Didn't lose any workers - kept them protected or Stalin forces blocked. You can see prechops by mousing over the forest tile (thank you BUFFY).
Started a couple knights in cities without stables - because we will be building lots of musketeers soon. Built some garrison longbows and put some on Arabian border.
Started some barracks. Do drafted units get barracks experience? Half of it?
Remember to direct Hatty Research. She started on Liberalism and was 5 turns away. Watch that she doesn't switch out of PP.
Make trades when Taj is done.
Forgot all about chariot that was supposed to be watching the conflicts in India (it was on sentry). Remembered this turn.
That's about it, who is up?
edit
no BUFFY logs,
edited BUFFY files to set default to logging and set location; but still no log
Deckhand: 0 - 5, 70-82, 105-115, 140-153
nocho: 5-20, 115-125
Ronnie1: 20 - 40, 55-70, 90-99, 131-140
Zhary: 40 - 54, 126-131
kcd_swede: 83 - 89, 100-104
Yes, whipped library and grocery in Lisbon and ran max specialists.
Galley successfully lured Trireme away from Istanbul. I had moved it out of the city for that purpose.
Wayward treb (out of place due to faulty mouse double click) was successfully protected.
Didn't lose any workers - kept them protected or Stalin forces blocked. You can see prechops by mousing over the forest tile (thank you BUFFY).
Started a couple knights in cities without stables - because we will be building lots of musketeers soon. Built some garrison longbows and put some on Arabian border.
Started some barracks. Do drafted units get barracks experience? Half of it?
Remember to direct Hatty Research. She started on Liberalism and was 5 turns away. Watch that she doesn't switch out of PP.
Make trades when Taj is done.
Forgot all about chariot that was supposed to be watching the conflicts in India (it was on sentry). Remembered this turn.
That's about it, who is up?
edit
no BUFFY logs,
edited BUFFY files to set default to logging and set location; but still no log
Deckhand: 0 - 5, 70-82, 105-115, 140-153
nocho: 5-20, 115-125
Ronnie1: 20 - 40, 55-70, 90-99, 131-140
Zhary: 40 - 54, 126-131
kcd_swede: 83 - 89, 100-104
Ronnie1
Deity
I think it looks pretty good Deckhand!
ctrl+alt+o is the right spot, the logging tab is on the far right, between "naming" and "system".
I think we need to send about 2/3 of current troops east asap.
We are going to need navy, as China has island cities.
I think we detour to Military Tradition now. We are clearly going to be held up by conquering and not by getting our RR built. Get MT asap and go all cuirassiers except on the coasts where we can land trebs.
We may want Hatty to tech Astro for us.
Take the remaining 1/3 + reinforcements and finish off Stalin!
Raze almost everything not on the RR route at this point in my opinion, there may be exceptions. I think once we start our GA next turn we will close this pretty quickly.
On a side note, Dhoomstiker sent me a pm asking if I thought we would finish on time. They have had some participation issues I guess. I replied that I believed we had a plan.
I think we should close this out in less than 36 turns!
ctrl+alt+o is the right spot, the logging tab is on the far right, between "naming" and "system".
I think we need to send about 2/3 of current troops east asap.
We are going to need navy, as China has island cities.
I think we detour to Military Tradition now. We are clearly going to be held up by conquering and not by getting our RR built. Get MT asap and go all cuirassiers except on the coasts where we can land trebs.
We may want Hatty to tech Astro for us.
Take the remaining 1/3 + reinforcements and finish off Stalin!
Raze almost everything not on the RR route at this point in my opinion, there may be exceptions. I think once we start our GA next turn we will close this pretty quickly.
On a side note, Dhoomstiker sent me a pm asking if I thought we would finish on time. They have had some participation issues I guess. I replied that I believed we had a plan.
I think we should close this out in less than 36 turns!
Ronnie1
Deity
x-post
On the logging, have you tried searching your computer for "autolog"?
On the logging, have you tried searching your computer for "autolog"?
Ronnie1
Deity
Could Turbo Ants and Phoenix Rising be done already?
They must have gone HA rush and cleared the map early.
They must have gone HA rush and cleared the map early.
(Don't have save open.)Can get Music in trade from Hatty when Taj is done. Can trade for Compass (and one other) with other civs.
We want Hatty to tech PP and RP for us.
I was thinking keep cities with high population that could be drafted. Especially if we are force limited vs tech. Certainly raze small cities on the periphery.
Maybe Arabia or India sooner to get cities that can build boats?
We need to discuss civics (and religion?) for switch when in GA.
yeah, I noticed before that xteam was lagging; unallocated was also behind but looks like they have made some progress
I think what is going on is my BUFFY defaults were logging off. And when I edited defaults today it didn't affect the saved game. I will try ctrl+alt+o when next I have game up. Yeah, I searched for log and autolog. Found an old BUFFY log file.
We want Hatty to tech PP and RP for us.
I was thinking keep cities with high population that could be drafted. Especially if we are force limited vs tech. Certainly raze small cities on the periphery.
Maybe Arabia or India sooner to get cities that can build boats?
We need to discuss civics (and religion?) for switch when in GA.
yeah, I noticed before that xteam was lagging; unallocated was also behind but looks like they have made some progress
I think what is going on is my BUFFY defaults were logging off. And when I edited defaults today it didn't affect the saved game. I will try ctrl+alt+o when next I have game up. Yeah, I searched for log and autolog. Found an old BUFFY log file.
Ronnie1
Deity
We have 17 knights, 7 musketeers and 15 trebs. We need more killing units imo.
We can get Music and Compass from Gandhi for Paper and Civil Service.
My biggest worry is our economy, but that may not be an issue once we start the GA also.
We never even set up a Globe Theater city that can be drafted and/or whipped every turn.
We can get Music and Compass from Gandhi for Paper and Civil Service.
They can only be drafted once we have 10% culture or the civ is eliminated. Once we are in our GA we will producing units very quickly.
My biggest worry is our economy, but that may not be an issue once we start the GA also.
We never even set up a Globe Theater city that can be drafted and/or whipped every turn.
Looking good
Continue the war against Russia allow us to draft there once Stailin is dead.
I have identified draftable cities in terms of pop, not drafting on "good tiles" and unhappines:
Nice 3
Bordeaux 2
Barcelona 3
Rotterdame 3
Ankara 2
Istanbul 3
Berlin 1
Athens 3
Rome 3
Cologne 3
Pasargadae 1
Sum 27
The priority of drafting should be distance to russian front to quickly eliminate him. A draft plan is then:
turn drafts
154 Berlin, Cologne, Rotterdame
155 Nice, Cologne, Rotterdame
156 Nice, Cologne, Rotterdame
157 Nice, Rome, Istanbul
158 Rome, Athens, Istanbul
159 Rome, Athens, Istanbul
160 Athens, Barcelona, Bordeaux
161 Bordeaux, Barcelona, Ankara
162 Ankara, Barcelona, Pasargadea
I don't think curs are a to big deal. We want to build that rr to at some point. Compared to musketeers we need a lot of hammers and gold to get many of them.
Keeping cities: Its easy to see if we gain anything from cities at this point. Its just to see if building wealth would get us more than the maintenance back. For the rest of the Russian cities we should calculate to a maintenance of 15, the "most worthless" russian city are Yakutsk. The other cites gets 4 trade routes from beeing costal. Yakuts have 7c11h from goodtiles so even this cold city is a still a small gain.
BSP put up some a really good spots for cities everywere. (Maybe execpt the Arctic. Lets pray to the Polarbeers that they keep churs away from there)
Its looks like we going to chase Mao down to australia so lets start building our Indian ocean fleet in Susa, Ankara and Pasargadea immediately.
Continue the war against Russia allow us to draft there once Stailin is dead.
I have identified draftable cities in terms of pop, not drafting on "good tiles" and unhappines:
Bordeaux 2
Barcelona 3
Rotterdame 3
Ankara 2
Istanbul 3
Berlin 1
Athens 3
Rome 3
Cologne 3
Pasargadae 1
Sum 27
154 Berlin, Cologne, Rotterdame
155 Nice, Cologne, Rotterdame
156 Nice, Cologne, Rotterdame
157 Nice, Rome, Istanbul
158 Rome, Athens, Istanbul
159 Rome, Athens, Istanbul
160 Athens, Barcelona, Bordeaux
161 Bordeaux, Barcelona, Ankara
162 Ankara, Barcelona, Pasargadea
I don't think curs are a to big deal. We want to build that rr to at some point. Compared to musketeers we need a lot of hammers and gold to get many of them.
Keeping cities: Its easy to see if we gain anything from cities at this point. Its just to see if building wealth would get us more than the maintenance back. For the rest of the Russian cities we should calculate to a maintenance of 15, the "most worthless" russian city are Yakutsk. The other cites gets 4 trade routes from beeing costal. Yakuts have 7c11h from goodtiles so even this cold city is a still a small gain.
BSP put up some a really good spots for cities everywere. (Maybe execpt the Arctic. Lets pray to the Polarbeers that they keep churs away from there)
Its looks like we going to chase Mao down to australia so lets start building our Indian ocean fleet in Susa, Ankara and Pasargadea immediately.
Nah RR in the BC
dont think so even on this map. They most probable has the endgame planned in detail and will execute the plan the last day.From the last two sgotm I have learned that X-team is always late
Regarding civics:
We lookinga at a 24 turns GA. We might want to prolong that with an extra 2 GP GA since nat runied GM bulbs there is nothing more we really want to bulb. Next GS is SM, maybe eco bulb but we dont gain anything from it.
Running an En and 2 scientist in Athens would get us a GP/GS/GE out in 14 turns. At the same time we could get a pure GM out of Lisbon in 13 turns. While delaying the GM gets it out in 17 turn without the need for CS.
On the other hand pushing GMs out from Lisbon for TM could get us a GM out at 11, 21 and 30 turns from now.
If we choose a third GA we could also change to CS 14 turns from now and have a third GM out in 24 turns so that the first GM could be used for a TM presumably to egypt.
BTW Forbidden Palace in Istanbul in 12 turns sound like a good deal. Somewhere in Russia would get us a little bit more in return but then its 5-10 turns more so I dont think its worth it.
We lookinga at a 24 turns GA. We might want to prolong that with an extra 2 GP GA since nat runied GM bulbs there is nothing more we really want to bulb. Next GS is SM, maybe eco bulb but we dont gain anything from it.
Running an En and 2 scientist in Athens would get us a GP/GS/GE out in 14 turns. At the same time we could get a pure GM out of Lisbon in 13 turns. While delaying the GM gets it out in 17 turn without the need for CS.
On the other hand pushing GMs out from Lisbon for TM could get us a GM out at 11, 21 and 30 turns from now.
If we choose a third GA we could also change to CS 14 turns from now and have a third GM out in 24 turns so that the first GM could be used for a TM presumably to egypt.
BTW Forbidden Palace in Istanbul in 12 turns sound like a good deal. Somewhere in Russia would get us a little bit more in return but then its 5-10 turns more so I dont think its worth it.
I think I could play, but haven't been looking at the save in as much detail as others, so will gladly pass. (Performance anxiety following a superb execution by deckhand!)
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Well, everything you need to know is described in posts above. If no one else has time you should take it.I think I could play, but haven't been looking at the save in as much detail as others, so will gladly pass. (Performance anxiety following a superb execution by deckhand!
We could even help with the PPP, then you just execute it. And you've played the least.
So, please take it. I will do pre-PPP tonight for you (unless you "wave me off").
(great planning by Zhary)
You are more than welcome to play kcd. This is the fun part when our army is unstoppable. I'm 99%sure that I can play on Sunday and Thursday. Might find some time the other days at least for a PPP.
Regarding peace with Russia and MT. I won't give a red light to peace with Russia now and whip curs there instead of drafting them once Stalin is dead. But my vote are still kill him now and no curs ATM. Feels like a strong is a more important military tech.
Regarding peace with Russia and MT. I won't give a red light to peace with Russia now and whip curs there instead of drafting them once Stalin is dead. But my vote are still kill him now and no curs ATM. Feels like a strong is a more important military tech.
Did you mean Steel? autocorrect?
Ronnie1
Deity
I just don't really care for many 1 move units at this point. A few for defense when declaring maybe, but we should not be on defense very much.
Don't really care about bombarding or collateral either as we are so much stronger.
Cuirs are just so much stronger than muskets, 33% makes a big difference and they get the flanking promos for better results.
Don't really care about bombarding or collateral either as we are so much stronger.
Cuirs are just so much stronger than muskets, 33% makes a big difference and they get the flanking promos for better results.
