SGOTM 9 - Hagar

[juballs2001]

I vote commie as far as gvt is concerned.
I wonder if some other team faces the same Gandhi behaviour, as I saw someone in the maintenance asking if there will be a team that actually wins this one.

i can only hope this is the case..

mind you team klarius score has droped significantly in the last two turnsets and that can only be attributed to gandhi conquering the main conteinent, meaning that he will be the first to be building the SS if he does.....

 

[Andronicus]

Ok. Got it. I will play my turns tomorrow morn.

Any action?

 

[Abegweit]

Sorry RL interference. I will have it up by noon tomorrow.

 

[markh]

I will be on a business trip from tomorrow to 25th and I do not know whether I will have an internet connection, so if I do not post a "got it" within 24h after I would be up, please autoskip me.

 

[Abegweit]

Executive summary:

Celts are gone and Osman is reduced to an OCC.

Ghandi has a boat on the move up the eastern coast but he doesn't seem interested in taking out any of these empty cities.

We have all the space techs and have gone back to working on some of the optionals. 0% science and they still are four-turners. What a great science farm

I have started taking down our cities on the home continent. I abandoned about ten. Some cities in Celtamerica are about to complete temples so be very careful about the domination limit.

Wonderville is going to complete the Apollo Program in 4 turn. At that time, I suggest we Palace jump to Camulodum and revolt. There is a GL there. I vote for Monarchy but I guess there's not much to chose. If we go with commie we should select cities to abandon in Spain and the HC and cash-rush courts in the rest.


Turn log

Preflight: mm cities as war-weariness is starting to increase. We are 35 tiles from the dom limit and should start to withdraw from the home continent.

1405 Gergovia and Lugdunum fall

1410 Izmit and Atlanta fall. The Ottomans are reduced to an OCC and the Celts are driven off the continent. We are over the dom limit so I start eliminating cities on the home continent. The first to go is Vadso. Two more cities along the same coast reduce us to 13 tiles under the limit.

[it] Celts offer a Peace Treaty. Yeah riiight. We learn superconductor. Start robotics. Due in 5. Lugdunum flips, taking a ridiculous number of bombers with it. Oh well.

1415 Lugdunum retaken. San Francisco falls. Dom limit 13. The core is switching to infra in case Ghandi wants it.

[it] Barb warrior attacks Modern Armor. We win. Galley spotted leaving Molde!!!

1420 Troops land at Talosa and Cataractonium. Both cities are completely undefended except for some ships which are bombed out. Move troops out of the core in response.

[it] Ghandi spotted near Oslo but doesn't land. Lapurdum flips, losing more units

1425 All three Celtic cities are taken and they are no more. Sign peace with Osman for 14g + 4gpt. We're over the dom limit again. Abandon !ew Stockholm, !Sabratha, IUskadar & !Bursa. Dom limit 17. WV starts Apollo.

[it] MG is still wandering along the coast

1430 Take out barb camp. Start disbanding military. Dom limit: 17

1435 Go through to find the rest of the resistance. One left. Dom limit: 17

1440 Robotics in, start sanitation. Due in four turns with zero science. Two pollution strike. I start cash-rushing a few things.

1445 Abandon several more cities. Dom limit: 50

1450 Move several (five?) settlers into place for new cities but don't settle. Dom limit: 50.

Note the pollution in the pic with Ghandi wandering up the coast and the work crew ready to go fix it up. Next player: please take care of it as I forgot to. There is also a second pollution crew near Trondheim.

 

[juballs2001]

oh god... instead of a warrior or a spear, ghandi builds a boat!!

lol, well i will be unable to play for the next week.

next wednesday i will be able to play again, i will be lurking, but please others play until i return on wednesday

 

[Andronicus]

Roster
Khan Aspurah - on deck
Andronicus
Abegweit (just played)
juballs 2001 - Unavail till Wed (skip unless no action from others)
markh - up (on biz trip till 25th) - autoskip if no got it within 24 hours

Thoughts
We need Gandhi to come out of his shell and start taking cities
I suggest we thin out cities below the chokes as the AI tends to build more spaced out cities and Gandhi will likely therefore just raze many. Each city he has to raze delays the phase until he builds SS a little more (edit - looked at save and see Abegweit has already done so ).
What do others think of abandoning all cities above the chokes as these will be of no use to Gandhi? Perhaps leave Carthage and Istanbul for him as these have wonders which will give him gold from tourism.

We could use engineers to build things in XCeltia ready for palace jump

I think MM is now a non issue - all we need to do is survive overseas whilst allowing / encouraging Gandhi's expansion so turns should be a fair bit quicker

I happy with either monarchy or commo. I dont really think it matters for our objectives.
Camolodin is fine for new capital - central in XCeltia if chose monarchy.

Should we remove all military off home continent (we can always build / buy something if its needed but I cant see this being the case - ? barb protection)

 

[Abegweit]

Re: military. I think we should disband everything except an MA or two on each continent (Celtamerica and Spain). Who cares if we lose an island or two? But if Ghandi could get the idea that he was strong to us he might start conquering. It's not as if we can't re-build if needed. We will have far more productive power to the end of the game.

Re: government. I think we should stay with Republic as long as we can. Jump the capital after Apollo is built and start cash-rushing a new core around Camuldunum. I doubt we will ever have to switch. We'll see.

Re: abandoning. We should empty large swathes of the continent immediately and eventually the whole thing. Make sure MG has plenty of room to expand. FC we keep. The odd wonder city as well for him to take (especially, of course, WV). I thought of doing this during my turns but I wanted to get the Space Techs first. Instead I tried an experiment - leaving some open room near his core. He didn't bite. Perhaps I should have let Hammerfest go (in reflection, I definitely should have). In any case, we should have no trouble getting a new core faster than MG, so there's no need to keep anything on the HC except stuff for his benefit.

 

[Abegweit]

A thought:

I think we should do the free palace jump thingey.

Cram enough military into Camuldunum and abandon enough cities in the HC to make sure the jump goes there. CAII will tell you what's needed.

Next let MG take ForbiddenCity (it has the Hoover Dam, whic he needs).

Finally use the GL to rush the FP somewhere to the south east of Camuldunum. The city of the settler to the NE of San Fran looks about right.

 

[Andronicus]

I will be on a business trip from tomorrow to 25th and I do not know whether I will have an internet connection, so if I do not post a "got it" within 24h after I would be up, please autoskip me.

Its now 24 hours so that makes Khan up

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

Got it, probably tonight or tomorrow.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

SGOTM9
(0) 1450AD
Feels like I left the game yesterday… G is still shy, no single captured city… Wait, is it a galley? Maybe a warrior??? I don’t recall being so excited for a while. Lets check again the previous logs. Polution to clean, checked. Hit EoT.
IBT: The galley goes near the eastern island. I think it’s empty.
(1) 1455AD
I bomb the galley, it is in the red, so it can go and pick a soldier. I wont play with new towns, I hate the domination limit. Position a few MA to keep the fog and barbs out of celtland.
(2) 1460AD
Set research on espionage, we should have got this one long ago.
(3) 1465AD
Abandon a few cities.
(4) 1470AD
OMG!!! A settler spear pair enter our lands
(5) 1475AD
The pair is 2 tiles away from empty Trondheim. It was G who chose.
(6) 1480AD
Pair next to Trondheim. I guess he’ll raze it. Order CIA.
(IBT) Trondheim is no more.
(7) 1485AD
I kill the settler so that the spear can go to Wonderville which is the only empty city around.
(8) 1490AD
He heads this way. Gift all techs needed to Osman.
(9) 1495AD
Osman and India sign a MPP. G takes WV. I wish I could see all these popups. India now knows all but the optionnals. I have somehow missed a turn, it’s 1500 AD. I give it to the next person. Ghandi has taken the elevator, now we must decide how to act. I think Osman is now useless….

We may want to abandon the main continent now. I couldn't do it, it would hurt my heart, but it's up to the next player. Have fun

 

[Abegweit]

We definitely need to abandon our former core. Good to see Ghandi FINALLY took a city. In particular THAT one.

 

[juballs2001]

yes! way to come through ghandi!!

finally!... now to launch him into space.

 

[Andronicus]

About b..... time

Agree whole heartedly abandon any city on starting continent which we dont plan on being useful to Gandhi (ie north of choke except wonder cities) and get rid of Osman.
Gandhi will keep cities with wonders, other cities such as Stockholm and Oslo which may be very useful for him we should starve down / rush setters.
I dont think Gandhi needs more than 12-15 cities (this may even be too much)
Also sell off improvements that wont be of use to Gandhi.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

Morning thought. I think I left a transport on goto mode, sorry, he's going to say hi to Osman. It has several MA on board.

We may settler abandon cities, then join workers to size 2. Then Ghandi will take them.

I've killed his settler because he would have left the spear in the city to keep it.

 

[Andronicus]

Roster
well its all a bit upside down at present
suggest juballs 2001 or markh take it as they said they would be back Wed - first to post a got it takes it I suggest (its actually 36 hours already since Khan posted last turn).
Alt if no got it next 24 hours I can take it tomorrow (public hol in Oz)

Khan Asurah - just played
juballs 2001 - if avail
markh - if avail
Andronicus - on deck if no got it 24 hours
Abegweit

 

[juballs2001]

k i got it, i can play tonight and post by tommorow

 

[markh]

I am still on my trip, but I will return tomorrow evening. I can take it after juballs then.

Good to see some grey colour in Wonderville.

 

[juballs2001]

k guys, im gonna do my turnset soon...

however, is anybody gonna post in that middle ages spoiler thread for our team??

i would nominate Andro or Abegweit

they both make great turn synopsis'

its a lot of work, but we seemed to have one of the best starts out there...