Abegweit
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SGOTM 9 - Hagar
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juballs2001
The Sultan of Sweat
umm, a questiona bout my turn... well more less a fear...
ghandi may very well just sit on wonderville or expand to the other neighbouring cities.
1. should i have units in those neighbouring cities? defence, and then move when he apporaches... or leave them empty
2. should i disband the cities that have no wonders... and build a new city in its place?
please answer these questions and give me any other tips for this turnset...
i will not attempt my turns until i hear about these thank you...
patiently awaiting...
ghandi may very well just sit on wonderville or expand to the other neighbouring cities.
1. should i have units in those neighbouring cities? defence, and then move when he apporaches... or leave them empty
2. should i disband the cities that have no wonders... and build a new city in its place?
please answer these questions and give me any other tips for this turnset...
i will not attempt my turns until i hear about these thank you...
patiently awaiting...
Abegweit
Anarchist trader
My opinion (and it's just that; Khan and Andronicus probably have a better feel for this): disband the cities and replace them with empties. Do a free jump to Camuldunum and rush the FP to the south east. I note that our capital is now in the middle of the science farm. No big deal there. It's not like have any urgent mission to perform.
Andronicus
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all cities on original continent should be empty - with worker trail leading to next in linejuballs2001 said:
I dont know the answer to this.
Either abandon city and resettle so city small or starve down to about size 6 leaving markets and courts. If Gandhi razes one, then go for former option.
Gandhi will keep wonder cities and may keep cities with resources.
Do we have a leader in XCeltia? If so should rush palace in Camul...whatever (the one in the centre of the continent).
edit - just read Abegweit's post (had just skimmed it first
) Agree with his advice to palace jump and use leader for FP.
Khan_Asparuh
Just a Bulgarian Eddie
Well I think that we should abandon them and rebuild new ones, adding a worker to make it pop2. But we can do it in the last minute, when G's soldiers are next to them.
In any case, we must empty all around WV.
Any opinions about gvt change? Coz it may be a good time to do it now... We don't need money, there's a 5 digit in the bank, and commie could be useful. I vote to change now, we've nothing urgent except waiting for G.
EDIT: A small thought. I've made a mistake by not giving all the techs we knew to Osman (and Ghandi). In case the morron doesn't launch until 2050, this would have helped us in the tie against the other teams.
Sorry guys...
In any case, we must empty all around WV.
Any opinions about gvt change? Coz it may be a good time to do it now... We don't need money, there's a 5 digit in the bank, and commie could be useful. I vote to change now, we've nothing urgent except waiting for G.
EDIT: A small thought. I've made a mistake by not giving all the techs we knew to Osman (and Ghandi). In case the morron doesn't launch until 2050, this would have helped us in the tie against the other teams.
Sorry guys...
juballs2001
The Sultan of Sweat
alright... i am a little strapped for time tonight...
so i will post the results by tommorow evening..
thanks for the info
so i will post the results by tommorow evening..
thanks for the info
juballs2001
The Sultan of Sweat
alright... in this turnset alone, i think we need to rethink our strategy.
I think Ghandi is intimidated to take our cities possibly because they are so large and have such a large cultural tie to us. i truly now believe we should unfortify the original core. disband and grow to size 2 and hopefully ghandi will pounce.
we can rush the FP and palace on Celtia and honestly, abandon the old continent once the majority of the cities are like this.
keep workers over there, but give ghandi the freedom.
my turn logs.
0
1500
- re-position some bombers, set homeland cities to settlers and clear pollution
IBT
- some settlers built and sent to neutral site.
1
1505
- clearing pollution and tempting ghandi with unfortified cities and workers
IBT
- Ghandi releases galley
2
1510
- Bombard galley to red
IBT
galley returns to molde
3.
1515
..............
IBT
Ottoman and India sign T.E against us
Free Artisitry in, Economics in 4
4.
1520
more of nothing....
5.
1525
still nothing besides pollution, we have to figure out the formula for ghandi...
IBT
Ottoman want peace.. ok
Ghandi re-releases the galler
6
1530
- not thinking i bombard galley
7
1535
nothing
IBT
Ottoman wants MPP... no
Economics is, Ironclads in 4 at 20% sci.
8
1540
more of that sweet nothing...
9
1545
pollution in indian territory near WV, so i send in a worker to clean, maybe this will tempt him...
IBT
releases galley again, i will leave it this time... see where its headed..
10
1550
- ghandi dosent take worker cleaning pollution
other then that, i have 7 settlers stationed in old continent ready to rebuild fallen cities.
we really need a strategy to get ghandi out.
I think Ghandi is intimidated to take our cities possibly because they are so large and have such a large cultural tie to us. i truly now believe we should unfortify the original core. disband and grow to size 2 and hopefully ghandi will pounce.
we can rush the FP and palace on Celtia and honestly, abandon the old continent once the majority of the cities are like this.
keep workers over there, but give ghandi the freedom.
my turn logs.
0
1500
- re-position some bombers, set homeland cities to settlers and clear pollution
IBT
- some settlers built and sent to neutral site.
1
1505
- clearing pollution and tempting ghandi with unfortified cities and workers
IBT
- Ghandi releases galley
2
1510
- Bombard galley to red
IBT
galley returns to molde
3.
1515
..............
IBT
Ottoman and India sign T.E against us
Free Artisitry in, Economics in 4
4.
1520
more of nothing....
5.
1525
still nothing besides pollution, we have to figure out the formula for ghandi...
IBT
Ottoman want peace.. ok
Ghandi re-releases the galler
6
1530
- not thinking i bombard galley
7
1535
nothing
IBT
Ottoman wants MPP... no
Economics is, Ironclads in 4 at 20% sci.
8
1540
more of that sweet nothing...
9
1545
pollution in indian territory near WV, so i send in a worker to clean, maybe this will tempt him...
IBT
releases galley again, i will leave it this time... see where its headed..
10
1550
- ghandi dosent take worker cleaning pollution
other then that, i have 7 settlers stationed in old continent ready to rebuild fallen cities.
we really need a strategy to get ghandi out.
Abegweit
Anarchist trader
in our game, Ghandi already has the Apollo and all techs.
juballs2001
The Sultan of Sweat
not all techs... just all techs necessary to launch apollo.
hopefully he captured wonderville early enough....
so i believe markh is up...
this game keeps getting weirder and weirder... lets see if we can at least launch ghandi... we seem to have time left...
this makes us need some SAM and possibly build SDI defense...
hopefully he captured wonderville early enough....
so i believe markh is up...
this game keeps getting weirder and weirder... lets see if we can at least launch ghandi... we seem to have time left...
this makes us need some SAM and possibly build SDI defense...
Andronicus
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In our game Gandhi has all required techs for SS, but has yet to build Appollo
I vote we go for this new ruling - I dont see the point hanging around waiting for the parts to be built
We already have espianage so can check on Gandhi's progress - all thats needed is intelligence agency. - I note this is being built in Stockholm - I thought the idea was to abandon or gift all cities on home continent - wont do us much good abandoned - we need to build it on XCeltic continent. Similarly why are we building Wall St in Birka? I can understand building great wonders in cities not already having one as this may allow Gandhi to take and keep a useful city, but not minor wonders which disasppear on his capturing.
We need our capital and forbidden palace on XCeltic continent (as well as intelligence agency) As previously proposed by Abegweit we can jump capital (using civassist to tell you that Camulodin requires 41 unit garrison - currently 19 - to become the new capital) and rush FP once forbidden city is captured (I'm pretty sure Gandhi will keep as it has wonders Cop, Hoover and SETI)
Regards Gandhi annoying us with bombs we could just sit our armies on his oil supplies -> no bombers. I suggest if we are going to build Manhatten we should research and build strategic missile defence. It might seem a silly thing to build Manhatten, but Mr G may just decide to build it instead of Appollo.
I think it is a matter of urgency to clear all our units off the starting continent and abandon all cities which we plan to abandon ASAP.
I'm happy to switch to commie at any time, although we dont appear to have any WW yet.
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juballs2001 - just played
markh - up
Andronicus - on deck
Abegweit
Khan Asparuh
I vote we go for this new ruling - I dont see the point hanging around waiting for the parts to be built
We already have espianage so can check on Gandhi's progress - all thats needed is intelligence agency. - I note this is being built in Stockholm - I thought the idea was to abandon or gift all cities on home continent - wont do us much good abandoned - we need to build it on XCeltic continent. Similarly why are we building Wall St in Birka? I can understand building great wonders in cities not already having one as this may allow Gandhi to take and keep a useful city, but not minor wonders which disasppear on his capturing.
We need our capital and forbidden palace on XCeltic continent (as well as intelligence agency) As previously proposed by Abegweit we can jump capital (using civassist to tell you that Camulodin requires 41 unit garrison - currently 19 - to become the new capital) and rush FP once forbidden city is captured (I'm pretty sure Gandhi will keep as it has wonders Cop, Hoover and SETI)
Regards Gandhi annoying us with bombs we could just sit our armies on his oil supplies -> no bombers. I suggest if we are going to build Manhatten we should research and build strategic missile defence. It might seem a silly thing to build Manhatten, but Mr G may just decide to build it instead of Appollo.
I think it is a matter of urgency to clear all our units off the starting continent and abandon all cities which we plan to abandon ASAP.
I'm happy to switch to commie at any time, although we dont appear to have any WW yet.
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juballs2001 - just played
markh - up
Andronicus - on deck
Abegweit
Khan Asparuh
Abegweit
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Abegweit
Anarchist trader
Agreed. We should abandon the home continent ASAP. Once safely escounced in our new home, we should go on a wonder-building binge - simply to prevent Ghandi from wasting his time on them.
End of juballs turns :
We have a leader in Camulo.... rush palace
hit enter
1) 1555AD : Change some builds
IBT : Ironclads in -> Smart Weapons in 7
Entremont : Intelligence Agency
2) 1560AD : nuttin
IBT : -
3) 1565AD : nuttin
IBT : barbs kill some workers
4) 1570AD : nuttin
IBT : -
5) 1575AD : start Manhattan in Alesia
IBT : an Indian settler and spear appear from Molde
start Internet in Richborough
6) 1580AD : Abandon Oslo
Abandon Reykjavik
IBT : Gandhi lands an archer in former Spain
Gandhi founds Bombay
7) 1585AD : nuttin
IBT : Gandhi takes !Madrid
8) 1590AD : nuttin
IBT : Smart Weapons in -> Integrated Defense in 9
9) 1595 AD : nuttin
IBT : -
10) 1600AD : nuttin
We have a leader in Camulo.... rush palace
hit enter
1) 1555AD : Change some builds
IBT : Ironclads in -> Smart Weapons in 7
Entremont : Intelligence Agency
2) 1560AD : nuttin
IBT : -
3) 1565AD : nuttin
IBT : barbs kill some workers
4) 1570AD : nuttin
IBT : -
5) 1575AD : start Manhattan in Alesia
IBT : an Indian settler and spear appear from Molde
start Internet in Richborough
6) 1580AD : Abandon Oslo
Abandon Reykjavik
IBT : Gandhi lands an archer in former Spain
Gandhi founds Bombay
7) 1585AD : nuttin
IBT : Gandhi takes !Madrid
8) 1590AD : nuttin
IBT : Smart Weapons in -> Integrated Defense in 9
9) 1595 AD : nuttin
IBT : -
10) 1600AD : nuttin
Andronicus
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markh said:
That wasnt in the script!
Do we want to fight Gandhi for XSpain or gift it to him?
Has he been frightened off home continent because of our forces there and headed for undefended XSpain?
I will give him every inducement to take home continent
Got it
Andronicus said:
Yeah, he is not playing according to our rules. We should send a notice to Alanh.
I think we should give Spain to him. We do not need that part any more. The flip chances in former Spain are much lower, so maybe that is a reason for him to ship units there. I began to abandon cities and replace them with empty ones (Oslo and Reyk), but upto now there is no sign that he takes the bait.
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http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm9/Hagar_SG009_AD1650_01.SAV
All non wonder cities on home continent have been abandoned (except a couple of far north ones I was using for science)
Small non cultural replacement cities have taken their place south of chokes
Madrid has been retaken - my reasoning was that I want Gandhi to concentrate om the home continent - Madrid will just be corrupt for him
We are now commie - WW hit after Madrid taken
No other moves from Gandhi
Turn log
Preturn
This is the most bizarre turn I've ever done
Abandon dozens of prime productive cities (first selling off improvements)
This hurts after all the hard work to achieve this in the first place
1605AD
WW hits -> revolt to commie (7 turns)
1610AD
Retake Madrid - want Gandhi to concentrate on home continent
1615AD
Barbs raid Carthage - I got all excited thinking it was Gandhi on his horse - but no only barbs - they decrease pop
1620AD
Trade embargo India + Otto v us ends (whoopee do)
1625AD
Nuttin'
1630AD
Gandhi sends rifle from WV - ignores workers - I'M EXCITED
1635AD
Rifle goes to Molde and boards galley - presumably on way to Madrid to take it back from that mean MA army
1640AD
Emerge into communism - do some MMing of cities but I confess a lack of enthusiasm as I feel this will have little influence on our outcome - nethertheless an attempt has been made to get productive cities in XCeltia and to lesser extent in XSpain
1645AD
Missed it - I must have fallen asleep
1650AD
Nuttin' again
Intel agency due in 3 in Entremont
Gandhi's galley still on way to XSpain
What happened to our leader? I thought we would jump palace with abandoning capital saving leader for FP.
Sorry but there are a few workers on "go to" orders as I missed a turn (1645) and thought I had another turn to go. They are on their way to mine some irrigated grasslands
I havn't touched Otto - do we want to try the gift to Otto / ally v India trick next time Gandhi comes adjacent to one of our cities? If not I suggest retiring him
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All non wonder cities on home continent have been abandoned (except a couple of far north ones I was using for science)
Small non cultural replacement cities have taken their place south of chokes
Madrid has been retaken - my reasoning was that I want Gandhi to concentrate om the home continent - Madrid will just be corrupt for him
We are now commie - WW hit after Madrid taken
No other moves from Gandhi
Turn log
Preturn
This is the most bizarre turn I've ever done
Abandon dozens of prime productive cities (first selling off improvements)
This hurts after all the hard work to achieve this in the first place
1605AD
WW hits -> revolt to commie (7 turns)
1610AD
Retake Madrid - want Gandhi to concentrate on home continent
1615AD
Barbs raid Carthage - I got all excited thinking it was Gandhi on his horse - but no only barbs - they decrease pop
1620AD
Trade embargo India + Otto v us ends (whoopee do)
1625AD
Nuttin'
1630AD
Gandhi sends rifle from WV - ignores workers - I'M EXCITED
1635AD
Rifle goes to Molde and boards galley - presumably on way to Madrid to take it back from that mean MA army
1640AD
Emerge into communism - do some MMing of cities but I confess a lack of enthusiasm as I feel this will have little influence on our outcome - nethertheless an attempt has been made to get productive cities in XCeltia and to lesser extent in XSpain
1645AD
Missed it - I must have fallen asleep
1650AD
Nuttin' again
Intel agency due in 3 in Entremont
Gandhi's galley still on way to XSpain
What happened to our leader? I thought we would jump palace with abandoning capital saving leader for FP.
Sorry but there are a few workers on "go to" orders as I missed a turn (1645) and thought I had another turn to go. They are on their way to mine some irrigated grasslands
I havn't touched Otto - do we want to try the gift to Otto / ally v India trick next time Gandhi comes adjacent to one of our cities? If not I suggest retiring him
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re the poss change in victory conditions
I am of 2 minds - avoiding a boring number of turns to get the SS actually launched sounds tempting, however there may be some discrepency in tactics in that with proposed change espionage would likely be researched sooner than for teams well past that date (this may not make a diff unless Gandhi has built Apollo and some team doesnt know it yet - I'm sure he hasnt yet for us). Further if all all we have to do is get Gandhi to build Apollo that ignores the need to ensure Gandhi has all necessary resources for building SS. Might this affect some teams differently?
I am of 2 minds - avoiding a boring number of turns to get the SS actually launched sounds tempting, however there may be some discrepency in tactics in that with proposed change espionage would likely be researched sooner than for teams well past that date (this may not make a diff unless Gandhi has built Apollo and some team doesnt know it yet - I'm sure he hasnt yet for us). Further if all all we have to do is get Gandhi to build Apollo that ignores the need to ensure Gandhi has all necessary resources for building SS. Might this affect some teams differently?
