SGOTM 9 - jeffelammar

[Paul#42]

As far as the trades go, I checked every turn. It is possible there is some trick I overlooked, but I think the Celts were tired of paying gpt. Sometimes the AI just dry up. Hmmm, seriously, was there a way to avoid that?.

I had thought to spare one tech as we are running out of techs to sell him because I would think that he has gpt for investments now that the deal ran out. I always try to (shortely) delay deals to turns where other deals just ended to maximize profit. But maybe he doesn't want a deal anymore which could be a sign of hostility to expect... Does he offer gpt for Electronics?

The archer. No, he wasn't injured. Should he have been? Looks like maybe, yes. Crap.

I really do not know, that's what I would like to discuss. I was surprised he attacked the MA. He should have used Offa's tool . We need to prevent him and find a way to keep his units... Let's have a test to find out what a redlined unit does behave like. Or does anyone already know?

espionageI would think we do not need to spy brennus (other then inspecting some cities before attacking or a final decision on nuking or not). IIRC it is quite expensive and we are not the bank of England... However we need to monitor Gandhi so we need to build this espionage center soon (maybe in Stockholm?) and install a spy in India.

foreign affairs
We need to shave Osman. He is just a lift boy, I do not want to waste any thoughts about him costing us a single beaker by capturing a town. Let's take him down to one redlined unit, make peace for rop and MA against Gandhi and surround his City tightly.

 

[Jove]

If we want to capture any of Brennus' towns, just be careful. We're about 50 tiles below the limit, expansions will claim maybe half that in the next 15 turns.

Paul#42: No, Brennus doesn't offer gpt for anything. I think we switched his priorities. We still have some minor deals with him.
I guess we could at least expect a redlined unit to turn around to heal. But who knows? I have a line of workers and cannons meant to lead Ghandi to the north, but he hasn't gone for it yet. Maybe we need to leave Odense, right on his border, open to him. Or, since we're at right at elevator time, maybe we ought to let him take whatever he goes for, even if we hate the sacrifice.

 

[pindicator]

I would not go to war with Brennus for exactly that reason. I think we may even consider letting Ghandi expand considerably soon so we can take Brennus out and move our base of operations over there. This is all a fine balance between research and letting Ghandi expand and letting us expand into Celtic country, but I think we have to start erring against 4/5 turn research here and let Ghandi out.

But I've yet to look at the save as well
I'll do that later tonight.

 

[denyd]

If Brennus isn't paying GPT and not supplying resources then it's time to him to go on a city reduction diet. We could just raze all of his non-wonder cities and send the slaves to the home island & Spain for pollution clean-up. I'd like to make sure we take him out before he gets Mechs or TOW. They are a lot tougher to kill with MA Armies.

What might work best is to move all of the MA Armies to southern Celtland and when the ROP expires, declare on the Celts and sweep quickly from the south razing everything below our band of cities. Then as Gandhi expands we can start keeping Celtic cities as our MA Armies move north into the Celtic core. Let our Mechs absorb the multitude of obsolete Celtic attackers that will be coming our way. If our bombers and artillery (then radar artillery) can clear all of the Celtic border tiles of rail/roads, we'll be able to slice & dice his incoming stacks with artillery & bombers before they can reach our cities.

As for research, we've only got 2 techs that are needed to get Gandhi to space, then I'd like to research to SDI to reduce the chance of any potential incoming nukes from landing. That research pace could be relaxed to bank some cash for upgrades and passing to Gandhi.

 

[Jove]

I don't object to taking Brennus out at any time now. But if we do it right away, we need to reduce our tile count somehow. Allowing our borders to expand in south Celtland will really be cutting it close otherwise.

If we're keeping Stockholm and Trondheim, I'd really like to build the Cure for Cancer and maybe Longevity for Ghandi to enjoy. Shouldn't be too tough, no? And if we're confident enough about keeping the Manhattan Project out of the picture, we *could* skip SDI...

 

[pindicator]

By jove, I think I've got it!

(sorry, I've wanted to say that since we started...)

I plan on making my turns tomorrow or Monday after work. Where should I let Ghandi out to if he sends a unit out? I'm thinking any town that doesn't have a wonder would be fine to let him have. For example, Odense? I think we mentioned Bodo as well. I really don't want to attack Brennus until after we've given a little bit more territory to Ghandi. But then again, letting them out to the coast would ensure eventual contact with the Celts.

 

[denyd]

Pretty much any city except Channel City, Trondheim, Stockholm or Oslo is available. I'd like to keep T,S & O until Brennus is put away. T & O buiild an MA every 2 turns & S building an Army every 4, should provide adequate replacements for any losses. Once we've maxed out on armies, Stockholm can quickly pop out Longevity & Cure for Cancer before Gandhi takes it.

A couple of points to remember once Gandhi rides the elevator

1. He'll probably start building War Elephants and Riflemen, once a WE shows up we should probably attack it with a warrior to kick off his Golden Age

2. Once he starts the Manhattan Project (does he need Uranium to do this?), we should start it to in a city that will finish it sooner. Then with no other wonders available when we win the race, he should switch to Apollo.

3. Gandhi will be very vunerable at this point so we should consider moving the Ottoman off the main island very soon.

 

[Paul#42]

1. He'll probably start building War Elephants and Riflemen, once a WE shows up we should probably attack it with a warrior to kick off his Golden Age

Yes, nice idea not to wait till Gandhi choses the right unit to hit us with...
Although we might be surprised what a brave fighter our little warrior might be...

3. Gandhi will be very vunerable at this point so we should consider moving the Ottoman off the main island very soon.

Why don't we shave Osman a little as I suggested? We would easily eliminate some of our sorrows...

 

[CKS]

There isn't really any reason to keep the Ottomans on the Indian continent. We could gift them a city off-continent and then declare on them and take their current city right now. In this way we wouldn't even need to leave them with a single unit. We just need to make sure we have time enough to make peace again before we want Ghandi to take the elevator, as we'll need to gift them every tech we want Ghandi to have.

 

[Paul#42]

What I like about Osman's current site is the inland location. I don't think we have the navy to prevent Brennus form meeting Osman if he was on an island.
With only a few turns (10?) to stay alive for Osman it is not worth the effort imo. Just shave him to one redlined unit, surround him with Mech Infs. Make peace, rop, MA against Gandhi (for a tech, if necessary). Replace Mech Infs with slaves.

 

[jeffelammar]

Any status Pindicator? We've been pretty lax about the 24/72 rule, but we do need to keep this moving along.

A couple other note.s
1. I really am not worried about Osman at the moment. If he decided to declare on us we could contain him with loose MAs being built out of the core. As far as contact goes, I don't care at this point if he does meet Brennus. We have an ROP with Brennus, which is the main reason we would want to avoid contact. We can Abuse before the current ROP is over.

2. I think we should let Ghandi take any city he wants other than Stockholm, Trondheim, Stavenger and Channel City. (And even those aren't far away)

3. I really think we want our new capitol in Celtic lands. I think when we abuse Brennus, we ought to either put our capitol in Entremont to prevent flip possibilities or in a city on the northeast coast of celtic lands. (Close to Spain for corruption purposes till ghandi takes it)

 

[Paul#42]

1. I really am not worried about Osman at the moment. If he decided to declare on us we could contain him with loose MAs being built out of the core. As far as contact goes, I don't care at this point if he does meet Brennus. We have an ROP with Brennus, which is the main reason we would want to avoid contact. We can Abuse before the current ROP is over.

You are right, there's no need anymore to seperate AIs from each other.

2. I think we should let Ghandi take any city he wants other than Stockholm, Trondheim, Stavenger and Channel City. (And even those aren't far away)

Yes, let it flow...

3. I really think we want our new capitol in Celtic lands. I think when we abuse Brennus, we ought to either put our capitol in Entremont to prevent flip possibilities or in a city on the northeast coast of celtic lands. (Close to Spain for corruption purposes till ghandi takes it)

Richborough is the most central city on that continent. This should be the best site for a capital regardless of its own productivity.

I wonder if Brennus will still be useful for cash brokering (buying techs from India with our donated cash). I guess we will have to try. Osman won't be of use for this (as he knows all techs)...

We might need some war-settlers over there in Celtic land because the city spacing might be too wide for our MA...

 

[jeffelammar]

We might need some war-settlers over there in Celtic land because the city spacing might be too wide for our MA...

Definately want a bunch. We will probably want to raze-replace some of the cities over there anyway, so 10-15 settlers over there would be a nice invasion support team.

Remember there will be a lot of units over there since he hasn't been at war for a while.

 

[Jove]

Maybe we should decide which AI to keep around based one who likes us more. If we're attempting to get them to trade Uranium to India, the one who likes us less is more likely to nuke us in the meantime...

 

[jeffelammar]

I hate to do this, but if Pindicator doesn't check in with a status in the next 12 hours, I'm going to have to skip him and ask TimBentley to take it.
Hopefully he'll post tonight, but we need to get this going otherwise we won't finish till 2007.

Roster
Jove
pindicator <== Overdue?
TimBentley <== Up in 12hrs if pindicator doesn't check in.
Paul#42
CKS
denyd
jeffelammar


reminder The standard is 24 hours for a got it, 48 more to play.

6. When it is your turn to play, it is normal to pick the game up within 24 hours of the new save being made available, and to post a new save within 48 hours of that (so 72 hours in total). If you cannot meet the deadline then your team captain may grant you an extension or skip you at his discretion.

 

[pindicator]

I'm sorry guys -- I really thought I could get this in on Sunday, and then stretched hope for Monday. I think I might need to take the sidelines here-on out. At the least, skip me this round and we'll see if my schedule has freed up on the next go-round.

 

[jeffelammar]

Sorry to hear that man. I understand. As far as I'm concerned, I'm certainly not angry. Just trying to keep things moving.

Let us know if time loosens up for you.

 

[TimBentley]

Got it. Hopefully I'll be able to finish tonight.

 

[TimBentley]

I'm to turn 8 and I'll finish tomorrow. We've finished superconductor (genetics is what we want next, right?), but India hasn't moved any units yet.

 

[denyd]

We want Genetics as the first tech after all of the SS techs are done (which might be now). Then we should probably research to SDI at a more leisurely pace finding some method to slip funds to Gandhi.

Has the Celtic war started yet? We might be getting close to the end of the ROP and probably want to start it instead of renewing the ROP.