SGOTM 9 - jeffelammar

[Paul#42]

By the way Jove, how is our spoiler doing?

(I know this is a tough question to ask unless one is willing to do it oneself, that's why nobody asked it here yet...)

 

[denyd]

I just realized I'm up - I got it and will probably play tonight - I'll be off line for the next 11 hours (stupid work firewall ) so post any ideas and I'll start later tonight

 

[Paul#42]

Take care: Off Topic and Spam suspicious post!

I just wanted to state that THIS page (at least when shown with 20 posts per page) is the most important of our whole thread and there is something extremely positive to happen in the next 17 posts!

Did I mention that #42 is something real special in my (and everone elses') life?

So whatever you do, see and seize the chances, do something special and dedicate it to the most important number of the universe.

Although I have to admit that less important things and people like a certain Yankees' pitcher (btw thank you for throwing away the 2001 WS, Mariano) have decorated themselves with that number to jump out of their state of unimportance.

 

[jeffelammar]

Take care: Off Topic and Spam suspicious post!

"What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"

Funny that you would post this now. I spent the weekend listening to the radio plays of the HHGttG. The radio plays were the original version (before the books even). Brilliant stuff.


As for the game, I don't think the warrior would do any good. If Ghandi won't attack unescorted workers, then a warrior will also be ignored. Once we get a spy up and can see what he's up to, we can see if there are other options that might help him.

 

[denyd]

Not enough time to play tonight so I'll have to play this tomorrow

 

[Jove]

Yeah, the spoiler... I'll have it done by the 42nd!

OK, it's a little tardy. Is it just the middle ages spoiler, or the whole shu-bang?

 

[denyd]

I was thinking about goals for my turnset, how's this sound:

1. Place the Celts in Delhi and remove the rest of their cities

2. Place the Ottomans on the island E of Channel City and take their other city

3. Build a bread crumb line of slave workers from Aarhus to Channel City

4. Sign and ROP with Ottoman & Celts then surround their islands with ships

5. Keep researching at an average pace some of the skipped techs

6. Begin retiring some of the troops saving the MA Armies for just in case

Anything else?

 

[CKS]

Sounds okay to me. I've already done number 1. There are a few Celtic ships sailing around that should be tracked down, though.

I had one thought about Ghandi. If we filled his land with workers, he can't work any of the tiles. Maybe this would make him more inclined to take some of them, and he'd get the idea. If not, we can pull some back. We don't have to worry about him starving, since he is only size 1 anyway.

 

[Paul#42]

#4 seems to be not necessary to me (as soon as Brennus lost his last ship). Osman and Brennus will have trouble building some kind of navy and one ship each to observe should be enough. But no need to disband the others of course.

Land units I would disband faster if we want to let Gandhi feel stronger.

@Jeff
I did not know that a radio edition existed even before the books
Surprising as the story itself

 

[jeffelammar]

Anything else?

As CKS mentioned, he has started some of these.

My personal Research priority would be Sanitation -> Printing Press -> Democracy -> Free Artistry. (With a Shakespere prebuild if possible)
We don't need SDI till many turns after Ghandi takes Channel City, so we can wait for that till after we get the other priorities covered.


@Jove - It was a Middle Ages Spoiler, but at this point, I think there isn't much reason to do it. We should just wait till we finish and write a complete game spoiler.

@Paul#42 - The Wikipedia for HHGttG has some info on the orig radio broadcasts. You can buy the Radio plays from the BBC for about 20 UK Pounds. Unfortunately, they won't ship to the US, so I'm stuck with listening to the audio tapes I made off the radio 20 years ago.

 

[denyd]

I had another thought while driving home. Do we want to gift the Ottoman a pair of Uranium cities so that he can trade 1 to the Indians?

 

[denyd]

Turn Log 5

Turn 0 – 1575 AD – Not much to change

IBT: Risor bank->stock exchange – Steel Harbor factory->market

Turn 1 – 1580 AD – Sign peace with Celts getting WM + 47g + 7gpt – Gift Vadso to Ottoman – Declare war on Ottoman – Sarpsburg is captured (I do lose 1 tank vs rifleman) – Settler founds Farsund starts market – Clean up some pollution – Abandon Ratae Cantorium to stay under limit – Spy attempt in India fails

IBT: Alesia bank->stock exchange – New Aarhus factory->court

Turn 2 – 1585 AD – Clean up some pollution – I’ve moved an MA Army to keep an eye on the Ottoman

IBT: India comes calling – Gandhi is 3 techs from leaving the Ancient Age – Trondheim dock->nuclear Plant – New York platform->mass transit – Birka platform->factory – Modle settler->mass transit - New Bergen court->market – New Oslo harbor->dock

Turn 3 – 1590 AD – Clean up some pollution – Join a couple settlers to cities (what were they for anyway) – Increase research to 60% - Start railing the old Ottoman land

IBT: Channel City stock exchange->nuclear plant – New Copenhagen market->court – New Stavanger harbor->dock

Turn 4 – 1595 AD – Clean up pollution – Begin collecting the scattered units – Switch Oslo, Bergen & Reykjavik to mass transit (hospital pre-build)

IBT: Discover Smart Weapons research Sanitation – research to 20% to get in 4 – Entremont factory->market – New Birka harbor->dock

Turn 5 – 1600 AD – Abandon Lapurdum to stay under limit – Sign peace with Ottoman getting 48g + WM

IBT: Barcelona platform->hydro plant – New Stockholm market->bank – New Batsfjord harbor->aqueduct

Turn 6 – 1605 AD – Add a furs colony – Cruiser & Galleon with 2 Berserks stationed off Delhi – Railing of Ottoman lands – Pollution cleanup – We now have a spy in Aarhus – See attached jpg to see what Gandhi is doing (what a moron :crazyeyes: )

IBT: Entremont market->nuclear plant

Turn 7 – 1610 AD – Clean up a pair of pollution and rail the Ottoman lands

IBT: New Karistad court->market

Turn 8 – 1615 AD – Complete the Ottoman rail project

IBT – Discover Sanitation research Printing Press which we get in 4 turns at 0% research – Washington market->bank – Camulodunum man plant->hospital – Richardborough factory->bank – Bodo platform->hospital – New Aarhus court->hospital

Turn 9 – 1620 AD – Trade Sanitation to Celts for 3gpt + WM + 28g

Just wondering if because we did not have Printing Press we might not know that the Ottoman might never have met the Indians

IBT: New York mass transit->hospital – Stavanger builds Cure for Cancer starts hospital – Steel Harbor market->bank

Turn 10 – 1625 AD – Switch those Mass Transit pre-builds to Hospitals (lose 4 shields)

Not much to speak about for this turn set – The picture of Aarhus pretty much says it all – Once those hospitals complete, we might as well build Battlefield Medicine (Entremont would be my choice for it) – I wasn’t as aggressive in disbanding units as I might have been – We’re at 200 of 300 allowed with 50 workers

 

[Paul#42]

Turn 3 – 1590 AD – Clean up some pollution – Join a couple settlers to cities (what were they for anyway)

They were meant for new sites in Celtic lands. We'd rather raze whole spain then letting Celtic land lay unused.

Turn 6 – 1605 AD – Add a furs colony – Cruiser & Galleon with 2 Berserks stationed off Delhi – Railing of Ottoman lands – Pollution cleanup – We now have a spy in Aarhus – See attached jpg to see what Gandhi is doing (what a moron :crazyeyes: )

We’re at 200 of 300 allowed with 50 workers

Seeing his 5 spears I think it would be a good shot to disband all but one or two armies and some transports immediately! If it has no effect we could rebuild some soon before Celts and Osmans can rcover from their "being bombed to stone age"-state.

Just wondering if because we did not have Printing Press we might not know that the Ottoman might never have met the Indians

We did see on the diplo screen that they had peace and they already had an embargo against us - or did I get you wrong by my foreign speaker language deficits?

 

[Jove]

Seeing his 5 spears I think it would be a good shot to disband all but one or two armies and some transports immediately! If it has no effect we could rebuild some soon before Celts and Osmans can rcover from their "being bombed to stone age"-state.

I have to agree. Ironically, that seems like the most powerful move we can make with our military right now.

Gifting resource cities is a good plan too, but I don't see why we need to do it before Elevator Day, unless we think Ghandi will be more aggressive after trading with these guys...

 

[denyd]

Just a thought - What if we abandoned and re-settled all of Spain with non-coastal cities. Then gave the cities to the Ottoman. They'd have a couple of uraniums and would still be locked up. We'd just have to be careful on which tile the cities are placed. If we owned just the Celtic island and removed all of our troops from the home island, Gandhi might come out to play.

As for Gandhi, after looking at the other teams progress, I'm afraid that we might never be able to get him to cooperate.

 

[CKS]

If the Ottomans don't have a harbor we need to make sure they have an airport for trading, and that Ghandi also has an airport. We should build them plenty if we do this.

 

[jeffelammar]

I see it. I'll play tonight.

Plans.
1. Get rid of our military.
2. STOP Selling techs to Celts EVER!!!!!!! We want Ghandi to be the one selling!!!!!! (and we don't need the money from him!)
3. Try to come up with some bribe for Ghandi! Build up $$$ so he gets cash when he finally starts taking our cities.

Some other thoughts that probably won't come up in my turnset.
1. If we do end up giving spain to someone, I suggest Celts not Osman. But I don't think we need to make that decision right away.
2. I don't think it really makes much difference, but once we have build infrastructure on the Keltoi island, I'd like to revolt to Communism. Mostly because we can and I don't think it will hurt us in any way. It would just be fun.

 

[jeffelammar]

First things first the saved game

Exec Summary: Ghandi is still backwards, but is no longer OCC.

Turn 0 - Turn over
How oh how can I help Ghandi finish units quicker.
Wait I have an Idea. Wish I'd thought of this a week ago.
First Action: Abandon Odense - (Sell everything off there) This gives Aarhus 2 tiles that will produce 2 tiles for India. Wasted the rushed Hospital, but I wanted India with the Production ASAP, so I didn't bother with the starving or building settlers at all.
Second Action: Start Disbanding troops. After this turn we are down to 51 Modern Armor. That count will continue to plummet.

IBT
Lots of builds, don't see any point in recording them.

Turn 1 - 1630 AD
Investigation of Aarhus shows that Ghandi has switch to using the desert olives, resulting in an extra shield per turn for him.
Finish turn with only 33 Modern Armor.
Only troops on Ghandi's Island are 2 warriors.
Start Transfering Workers from Spain to Keltoi where we can use them.

IBT
Ottomans borders expand and he demands we get out. Agree.

Turn 2 - 1635 AD
Continue the disbanding. Get rid of a couple armies. I'm keeping enough MAs in Keltoi to cover the fog to avoid barbs.
Micromanage a bunch of scis off.

IBT
Discover Printing Press -> Democracy.


Turn 3 - 1640 AD
Not much to report. More Disbanding, mm for Democracy in 4.

Turn 4 - 1645 AD
Again not a whole lot going on. Ghandi has finished another Spear and is building an Archer due in six.
Fail to plant spies on Brennus and Osman

IBT
Osman offers MPP for 2gpt, refuse.
I don't believe what I just saw. I never thought he'd do it. A Indian Spear approaches Trondheim. Looks like the game is a afoot. :-D


Turn 5 - 1650 AD
In preparation for losing Trondheim, I stack a bunch of workers in there to gift them to India.

IBT
Ghandi finally

takes Trondheim ...along with 9 workers.



Turn 5 - 1650 AD
Interesting. He added those workers right into Trondheim. This leaves him with this wonderful screenie.


Turn 6 - 1655 AD
Some scouting

Guess my abandonment of Odense is paying off. He's working the two squares that gave him.

And look how he's playing with Trondheim

IBT
Stockholm finishes Longevity


Turn 7 - 1660 AD
Not much. Strange Ghandi finished an Archer, but it didn't advance?!?

IBT
Ghandi and Osman sign trade embargo vrs us.
Learn Democracy -> Free Artistry

Turn 8 - 1665 AD
Not much again. Still waiting on Ghandi.

IBT
Ghandi's Archer destroys our airfield NW of Trondheim. Hopefully will continue to Molde.

Turn 9 - 1670 AD
Not a whole lot to do. Look around a bit. No trades.
Rush some stuff.

IBT
Damn you Ghandi. The Archer returns into the Indian territory.

Turn 10 - 1675 AD
Not a whole lot to do.

Post Action Report
This is SOOOO hard to give up. I Ghandi could go after the Elevator ANY time. Just got to the most interesting part of the game, Ghandi will own a lot of our land by the time I see this again.
I was so tempted to take another 5 or 10, but that wouldn't be fair.

Couple things to point out.
1. Worker Stack NE of Stavenger. (Could be surrendered to Ghandi, but I'd wait till Ghandi has more cities.
2. The Palace build in Stavenger is a Shakespere's pre-build.
3. The only military units on the homeland are two Warriors in the north and, an Infantry in Stavenger. (I want to hold it till we get Shakes)
4. There are a bunch of Settlers in position (or close to position) in Keltoi to build cities as Ghandi takes ours.

 

[Jove]

Yay, finally Ghandi is waking up!!
Well, I have a strong sense of Deja Vu. Ghandi could've taken some towns during my last turnset... I promise I won't discourage him again, for what it's worth.

Ok, let's say Ghandi decided to bee-line for Stavanger. Should we give in and build Shake's later, or fend him off and run the risk of him withdrawing to his hidey-hole again?

And: Looks like Paul was right about #42.

 

[jeffelammar]

Ok, let's say Ghandi decided to bee-line for Stavanger. Should we give in and build Shake's later, or fend him off and run the risk of him withdrawing to his hidey-hole again?

My take is that while Shakespere would help him, it isn't worth it to risk taking out another of his troops. If he bee-lines for Stavanger, I would let him take it and see if we can build him Shakes in Stockholm.