Khan_Asparuh
Just a Bulgarian Eddie
Good idea on the Mil Acad, and for Calcutta, I hoped we can make them leave the city and come out in the open, by blocking with armies their way back...
SGOTM7 - Team Chunky
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Yes, that's my first hope too. But they very plausibly might stay in the cities, since I don't understand why didn't they come out and besiege Sivas earlier. They certainly went into Calcutta because we were threatening the city, that's why I started pulling our troops back.
If they persist in hiding in the cities, then the only think I can think of doing is pillage, and then try to burn cities where that stack is not...
If they persist in hiding in the cities, then the only think I can think of doing is pillage, and then try to burn cities where that stack is not...
chunkymonkey
Procrastinator
Good turns guys, i'll try and get a few in before I go out this evening. Must resist temptation to start drinking beer right away 
chunkymonkey
Procrastinator
0 - 960AD - Everything looks great...
IBT - Some American and Persia frigate action. America lands 2 MI and cavalry. Indians come out to play. Edirne knight -> knight. Urfa galley -> galley. Sinop galley -> galley.
1 - 970AD - Kill the Americans. Kill 2 Ind pikes, 2 longbows. Land the iron pillage boys. 7-0
IBT - ooo, Persians sailing round top of Zululand. Vikings land crusader, pike, MI. Cankiri treb->treb
2 - 980AD - Kill the Vikings and indian pike and bow. 12-0
IBT - Learn Metallurgy. MT in 10. Ist Knight -> knight. Iznik knight -> knight.
3 - 990AD - Kill AC, longbow, pike. Take healed armies out to pillage and eventually raze Bombay. 15-0
IBT - The pike stack comes out of Calcutta. They always fall for the worker bait.
Izmit knight -> knight. Denizili galley->galley.
4 - 1000AD - Kill 3 pikes in Calcutta and burn it to the ground. Mwhahahaha... Kill another pike and bow. 20-0
IBT - Persians want to talk. Nah. Bursa knight -> knight. Uskudar settler ->settler. Aydin revolts, forget about the MP that was there
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5 - 1010AD - Kill 8 pikes and bow out of the stack, lose 2 knights. Kill a pike in Madras with one of our pillaging knights. 28-2
The indian pike stack is on its way back north. Workers can be used as bait to draw them out quite effectively. There are some Persian galleons and frigates around the top of Zulu, but I've found that idf they are bombed enough they will retreat. i'll be back later to give more nuggets of info - i'm off out.
IBT - Some American and Persia frigate action. America lands 2 MI and cavalry. Indians come out to play. Edirne knight -> knight. Urfa galley -> galley. Sinop galley -> galley.
1 - 970AD - Kill the Americans. Kill 2 Ind pikes, 2 longbows. Land the iron pillage boys. 7-0
IBT - ooo, Persians sailing round top of Zululand. Vikings land crusader, pike, MI. Cankiri treb->treb
2 - 980AD - Kill the Vikings and indian pike and bow. 12-0
IBT - Learn Metallurgy. MT in 10. Ist Knight -> knight. Iznik knight -> knight.
3 - 990AD - Kill AC, longbow, pike. Take healed armies out to pillage and eventually raze Bombay. 15-0
IBT - The pike stack comes out of Calcutta. They always fall for the worker bait.
Izmit knight -> knight. Denizili galley->galley.4 - 1000AD - Kill 3 pikes in Calcutta and burn it to the ground. Mwhahahaha... Kill another pike and bow. 20-0
IBT - Persians want to talk. Nah. Bursa knight -> knight. Uskudar settler ->settler. Aydin revolts, forget about the MP that was there
.5 - 1010AD - Kill 8 pikes and bow out of the stack, lose 2 knights. Kill a pike in Madras with one of our pillaging knights. 28-2
The indian pike stack is on its way back north. Workers can be used as bait to draw them out quite effectively. There are some Persian galleons and frigates around the top of Zulu, but I've found that idf they are bombed enough they will retreat. i'll be back later to give more nuggets of info - i'm off out.
Beee-utiful chunky, using worker bait is brilliant. 
Can't wait to hear your remarks.
With MT in 8 turns and the Indian war in hand, we really should be planning the Persian attack now. I'm thinking another diversionary landing, this time with muskets in the southern Persian mountains. Then Sipahi and cannon land in the north to get us a foothold. It worked so well the first time... How many galleys are we gonna need?
Also we should discuss what to do with our GA when we get it. Conserve every shield; don't rush, only short-rush. Upgrade our knights first. Sell all our libraries...
Meanwhile, have fun dude.
Can't wait to hear your remarks.With MT in 8 turns and the Indian war in hand, we really should be planning the Persian attack now. I'm thinking another diversionary landing, this time with muskets in the southern Persian mountains. Then Sipahi and cannon land in the north to get us a foothold. It worked so well the first time... How many galleys are we gonna need?
Also we should discuss what to do with our GA when we get it. Conserve every shield; don't rush, only short-rush. Upgrade our knights first. Sell all our libraries...
Meanwhile, have fun dude.
chunkymonkey
Procrastinator
Cheers.
I'm thinking we can probably take the rest of India, slowly but surely, within the next 20 turns, with the knight armies alone.
I think we disregarded something when we considering shutting off research after MT. Steam will give us rails - which are extremely useful for defence. Nationalism will give us rifles, but more importantly, the power to mobilize. I think we could consider this. Is it worth us trudging through another 40-50 turns to get these abilities? Considering halfway through the Persian job, they may get infantry? I'm not sure yet.
Also, I like the idea of a diversionary landing for Persian war, except this may be hampered by their frigates
I'm thinking we can probably take the rest of India, slowly but surely, within the next 20 turns, with the knight armies alone.
I think we disregarded something when we considering shutting off research after MT. Steam will give us rails - which are extremely useful for defence. Nationalism will give us rifles, but more importantly, the power to mobilize. I think we could consider this. Is it worth us trudging through another 40-50 turns to get these abilities? Considering halfway through the Persian job, they may get infantry? I'm not sure yet.
Also, I like the idea of a diversionary landing for Persian war, except this may be hampered by their frigates
Also how I would love just one stack o' five frigates right now. (But by the time we get frigates, the Americans will have ironclads at least...)
Now I'm unsure of myself. Astro, Banking, Physics, ToG, Magnets, Steam, Nationalism. Hopefully we'll get one for free in the IA. Yeah, maybe that will take us only 40-50 turns -- the GA will help us a whole bunch. Where will we be in 40-50 turns? Will Persia be gone by then? Not quite?
If we guesstimate that turning off research will mean an average of 100gpt into our bank, that's an extra 25spt via rushing, which is an extra sipahi every 4 turns; 10 over 40 turns. Which would we rather have in 40 turns; 10 extra sipahi, or galleons and mobilization and rails and rifles...
Hm, now I think you're correct. What says Khan and Baal? There must be a good way of looking at the question...
Now I'm unsure of myself. Astro, Banking, Physics, ToG, Magnets, Steam, Nationalism. Hopefully we'll get one for free in the IA. Yeah, maybe that will take us only 40-50 turns -- the GA will help us a whole bunch. Where will we be in 40-50 turns? Will Persia be gone by then? Not quite?
If we guesstimate that turning off research will mean an average of 100gpt into our bank, that's an extra 25spt via rushing, which is an extra sipahi every 4 turns; 10 over 40 turns. Which would we rather have in 40 turns; 10 extra sipahi, or galleons and mobilization and rails and rifles...
Hm, now I think you're correct. What says Khan and Baal? There must be a good way of looking at the question...
Khan_Asparuh
Just a Bulgarian Eddie
Hi guys. Nicy worky chunky, I feared that calcutta will be really tough nut to crack. Baiting the AI - great thinking.
Regarding research. Going up to nationalism isn't bad Idea for the mobilization, but will cost us a lot of effort. I don't know if 50 turns will be enough even with a GA. And actually the ships we can get on our way up are more interesting to me.
But consider the money worth. You're right, 4 g is worth 1 shield in rushing. But I really prefer the 3 g worth 1 shield in upgrades. I don't remember where the salpeter was, but I think that we can disconnect it, build 20+ knights and upgrade them. I would consider cutting the Iron too, but this is maybe going too far...
I think I'm up. Will play later after I see some comments. And after I recover a bit from the IRON MAIDEN concert here in Paris! Wow man that was awesome!
Regarding research. Going up to nationalism isn't bad Idea for the mobilization, but will cost us a lot of effort. I don't know if 50 turns will be enough even with a GA. And actually the ships we can get on our way up are more interesting to me.
But consider the money worth. You're right, 4 g is worth 1 shield in rushing. But I really prefer the 3 g worth 1 shield in upgrades. I don't remember where the salpeter was, but I think that we can disconnect it, build 20+ knights and upgrade them. I would consider cutting the Iron too, but this is maybe going too far...
I think I'm up. Will play later after I see some comments. And after I recover a bit from the IRON MAIDEN concert here in Paris! Wow man that was awesome!
Khan_Asparuh
Just a Bulgarian Eddie
Oooops, sorry. Go on Baal.
I think we must go on researching after MT as I said before. I believe that it will take much more turns to get Persia and then America or vikings for domination. We will need frigates for escort job and they will have factories and plants. They will have great production potential so rifleman and mobilization will be needed.
I will be able play tonight.
By the way Maiden concert must have been great Khan. I never saw them alive.
I will be able play tonight.
By the way Maiden concert must have been great Khan. I never saw them alive.
Khan_Asparuh
Just a Bulgarian Eddie
ReallyBaalzebul said:By the way Maiden concert must have been great Khan. I never saw them alive.
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but Baal, a personnal advice, if they come to you ("Eddie rips off Europe" may include Turkey), go on and see them, it's hilarious. They're promoting "The Early Days" (the last DVD) and the life album to come "Death on the road", so all the songs are from their 4 first albums. There are some I hadn't ever heard live, it's really worth.Back on topic, researching seems nice but don't put too much money. Configure the corrupted cities to do it, scientists are good enough.
Have fun.
I dunno if specialists alone will get us anywhere. I vote let's not half, uh, heart anything; either turn research off, or crank it. Right now I'm thinking we turn research off for a few turns, maybe 5, so we can upgrade just a few knights. Then crank it all the way up.
IIRC, we're 7 turns from mil trad, so Baal won't have to decide, we have some time...
IIRC, we're 7 turns from mil trad, so Baal won't have to decide, we have some time...
Khan_Asparuh said:Really
If they come me and many people won' t miss it but Turkey is not at the tour dates. They came once with Blaze and I was in the army at the time so I missed them.
If they don' t come I will try to watch them at Europe next year.
Here we go...
IBT
Edirne Knight-->Knight
Urfa Galley-->Galley
Aydin Knight-->Knight
Mugla Cannon-->Cannon
1st Turn
Redlined Indian galley & sank 1-0
IBT
Ist Knight-->Knight
Bolu Galley-->Galley
Kirklareli Galley-->Galley
Tunceli Galley-->Galley
2nd Turn
Cut down science to % 20 due to low treasury. We' re +11 gpt and 9 turns away from MT.
IBT
Persians sink our galley 1-1
Konya knight-->knight
3rd turn
Found Tokat at Indian land.
IBT
Americans sink our galley.
Persians sink our galley.
Indians kill our pike&knight over iron. 1-6 What the hell? RNG is against us.
4th turn
Kill jumbo&AC
Kill damaged American frigate 4-6
IBT
7 cities rioted because Persian frigate cut our route to Zululand. We need another harbor at Zululand.
Persians land Immortal.
Bursa knight-->knight
Iznik knight-->knight
Uskudar Settler-->Cannon
5th turn
Galley production at Bingol changed to harbor.
Kiled Persian immortal.
MT at 6 turns...
IBT
Edirne Knight-->Knight
Urfa Galley-->Galley
Aydin Knight-->Knight
Mugla Cannon-->Cannon
1st Turn
Redlined Indian galley & sank 1-0
IBT
Ist Knight-->Knight
Bolu Galley-->Galley
Kirklareli Galley-->Galley
Tunceli Galley-->Galley
2nd Turn
Cut down science to % 20 due to low treasury. We' re +11 gpt and 9 turns away from MT.
IBT
Persians sink our galley 1-1
Konya knight-->knight
3rd turn
Found Tokat at Indian land.
IBT
Americans sink our galley.
Persians sink our galley.
Indians kill our pike&knight over iron.
1-6 What the hell? RNG is against us.4th turn
Kill jumbo&AC
Kill damaged American frigate 4-6
IBT
7 cities rioted because Persian frigate cut our route to Zululand.
We need another harbor at Zululand.Persians land Immortal.
Bursa knight-->knight
Iznik knight-->knight
Uskudar Settler-->Cannon
5th turn
Galley production at Bingol changed to harbor.
Kiled Persian immortal.
MT at 6 turns...
Khan_Asparuh
Just a Bulgarian Eddie
Hmmm. Got it.
FYI guys, I'll be out of contact next week, from the 2nd to the 8th. Skip me while I'm gone. Maybe if things move fast enough this week, I can get two turnsets in before I go, helped by a swap, if you guys are kind? I want the ball! 
We'll see how things go...
Good luck, Khan.
We'll see how things go...Good luck, Khan.
Khan_Asparuh
Just a Bulgarian Eddie
SGOTM7
(0)
Bomb every enemy vessel I can. This means a grand total of one frigate
17 Indian pikes in sight. Nicey. Weve lost our Zululand blockade. Set Istanbul on MA prebuild, the tech will come in 5 turns.
38 knights to become Sipahi is nice.
(IBT) Persians land 2 immortals and 2 rifles. Tough nut to crack. Indian pikes stack moves in our territory.
(1)
We desperately lack artillery now. Will switch some cities on cannon.
Bomb and kill 11 or 12 indian pikes. 11:0 I cant strike the Persians, will let them live for now. Concentrating cats there. The army is protecting Bingol. The vikes will hit next turn, hopefully not amphibious.
(IBT) Successfully defend Sinop against a Zerk. 12:0 Americans land 2 guerillas and 2 cavs. The Persians are RRing.
(2)
Kill the americans, lose a knight. Offensive in India, kill 5 units, capture a trebuchet and get another leader. This one will go for the Military Academy, we need it desperately. Istanbul will finish its University.
The Persians are pain in the whatever. Im trying to bait them with empty cities and knights that can retreat eventually. 21:1
(IBT) Knight on a mountain kills immortal but dies to the second. Indian AC appears and captures some workers. The Americans are building ToE.
(3)
Finally manage to bomb and kill the Persians. Kill 7 indians and recapture workers. 32:2.
(4)
2 Indians down. Bomb the Persian frigates, they are blocked and cant enter the passage nor land. Send up the armies, discover Delhi, send out the artillery and some knights and settlers. 34:2
(IBT) Persians dont attack our galleys and retire
No Indian movements. MT is in
(5)
Bomb some frigates. Kill 3 pikes and raze Bangalore. India is ours guys!
The leader is in Istanbul, in case the next leader has other vision on his use. I strongly recommend him to rush MA. This will boost our 4 armies instead of giving us one Sipahi army that will have to wait for Persia to come in play. I dont give India more than 10 turns of life.
Sipahis are expensive. I prefer upgrades than building them, Id propose some more cannon builds, upgrading the artillery before knights (only 30g for a treb, 60 for cat), or a balance of the two.
Our channels are still blocked. The galleys are back, so if the frigates come we can bomb them before they can reach us. Remember, never miss a chance to bomb a vessel! Reorganise the blockade but try to make it.
The Persians are really annoyingly bombing the south. Id send some cannons there.
Theres a hole in Zululands blockade but no enemy cant reach it right now. In the north.
Final ratio 37:2.
BTW, as a dreamer I want you to know that were at 30% of the land, India, Persia and the Viking-American island must be enough to get us to 66%. The pop will be tougher but doable.
(0)
Bomb every enemy vessel I can. This means a grand total of one frigate
17 Indian pikes in sight. Nicey. Weve lost our Zululand blockade. Set Istanbul on MA prebuild, the tech will come in 5 turns.
38 knights to become Sipahi is nice.
(IBT) Persians land 2 immortals and 2 rifles. Tough nut to crack. Indian pikes stack moves in our territory.
(1)
We desperately lack artillery now. Will switch some cities on cannon.
Bomb and kill 11 or 12 indian pikes. 11:0 I cant strike the Persians, will let them live for now. Concentrating cats there. The army is protecting Bingol. The vikes will hit next turn, hopefully not amphibious.
(IBT) Successfully defend Sinop against a Zerk. 12:0 Americans land 2 guerillas and 2 cavs. The Persians are RRing.
(2)
Kill the americans, lose a knight. Offensive in India, kill 5 units, capture a trebuchet and get another leader. This one will go for the Military Academy, we need it desperately. Istanbul will finish its University.
The Persians are pain in the whatever. Im trying to bait them with empty cities and knights that can retreat eventually. 21:1
(IBT) Knight on a mountain kills immortal but dies to the second. Indian AC appears and captures some workers. The Americans are building ToE.
(3)
Finally manage to bomb and kill the Persians. Kill 7 indians and recapture workers. 32:2.
(4)
2 Indians down. Bomb the Persian frigates, they are blocked and cant enter the passage nor land. Send up the armies, discover Delhi, send out the artillery and some knights and settlers. 34:2
(IBT) Persians dont attack our galleys and retire
No Indian movements. MT is in(5)
Bomb some frigates. Kill 3 pikes and raze Bangalore. India is ours guys!
The leader is in Istanbul, in case the next leader has other vision on his use. I strongly recommend him to rush MA. This will boost our 4 armies instead of giving us one Sipahi army that will have to wait for Persia to come in play. I dont give India more than 10 turns of life.
Sipahis are expensive. I prefer upgrades than building them, Id propose some more cannon builds, upgrading the artillery before knights (only 30g for a treb, 60 for cat), or a balance of the two.
Our channels are still blocked. The galleys are back, so if the frigates come we can bomb them before they can reach us. Remember, never miss a chance to bomb a vessel! Reorganise the blockade but try to make it.
The Persians are really annoyingly bombing the south. Id send some cannons there.
Theres a hole in Zululands blockade but no enemy cant reach it right now. In the north.
Final ratio 37:2.
BTW, as a dreamer I want you to know that were at 30% of the land, India, Persia and the Viking-American island must be enough to get us to 66%. The pop will be tougher but doable.
chunkymonkey
Procrastinator
Cool, things are progressing nicely.
MilAcademy sounds like a definite to me.
Just to let you know I'm struggling to finish off COTM13, i estimate i've got about 6 hours of playing time left in me this month over the next couple of evenings before submissions close. I think I've got about 60 turns until I win... It should be enough but I won't be able to play any turns from here until i've submitted that game. I'm even considering taking a day off work, so I can improve my win date a little
So if we get to me before Friday I'd like a skip.
Hope the Maiden gig was fun Khan
MilAcademy sounds like a definite to me.
Just to let you know I'm struggling to finish off COTM13, i estimate i've got about 6 hours of playing time left in me this month over the next couple of evenings before submissions close. I think I've got about 60 turns until I win... It should be enough but I won't be able to play any turns from here until i've submitted that game. I'm even considering taking a day off work, so I can improve my win date a little
So if we get to me before Friday I'd like a skip.
Hope the Maiden gig was fun Khan
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