SGOTM8 - Cutlery

[eldar]

I switched some Lib builds to Temples in corrupt towns (20 turns quicker, no real benefit from Libs right now), built a few more workers. Irrigating everything north of the mountains right now, we can change if/when it gets less corrupt up there.

 

[Minute Man]

What does PP get us besides a monopoly? What does it lead to? What is enabled by it? I've never researched PP so I don't know what it is worth.

PP is required for Democracy, I believe. And in a normal C3C game it allows contact trading. So, really, it gives us absolutely nothing beyond trade value.


Interesting that Beijing has a colosseum, but not even a temple.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Ok I got it... Might not be able to do it tonight. Do we go after Bejing or just go after Alex? I don't think that our economy can take all of these troops without something for them to do.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Go on Beijing, knock Mao off our island. Don't care where it jumps his capital, he's out of the game. Pressed for time, didn't expect 1.5 pages of homework. will try to comment more later after football scrimmage.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

I'll try to post something relevant sometime, I feel kindof bad not to have anything to say or add atm. I approve going on Beijing, and I'd go for more libs (always ... more ...) if we want to punch a hole in that tech tree sometime.

 

[Minute Man]

Do we go after Bejing or just go after Alex? I don't think that our economy can take all of these troops without something for them to do.

Well, getting all our forces killed at Beijing would help our economy, I guess. I still say we need longbows to be able to really make a dent. Otherwise we're just throwing troops away.

If we really need something to do with our military, it might be time to start taking a bite out of Alex...hoplites on flat ground in small towns are actually easier to beat than spears in Beijing on a hill, and hopefully we won't run into five of them in one town.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Indeed, the troop count in each city will make our cats much more worth the effort right now and we still will have LB's to slap Mao's yellowish behind with.

 

[Minute Man]

Something that just occurred to me...I always forget that trebuchets come with Engineering. Is it worth upgrading some cats before we go on the offensive? Maybe when we get Theo we should turn down research for a few turns and do some upgrades.

 

[Tubby Rower]

<<<450 Save>>>

Spoiler turnlog :

pre-flight = dial up Mao tell him to leave the continent due to a hurricane. He declines so
change Chi Cutlery from worker to settler
change WSTon to library from horse
change Tatung to harbor

t1: Tatung starves??? oh well
PHville archer -> archer
Walnut Bowls rax -> archer

t2: idiot color temple -> library
ASsualt on Beijing:
1st 3 cats go 3 for 3 revealing a 4/4 vet
other's are idiots and miss
Delta 1 dies doing 2 damage 4/4 vet showing
Delta 3 avenges D1 with a flawless win over 4/4 vet! revealing 4/5 spear
Delta 5 dies doing 1 damage revealing 4/5 spear
Delta 4 dies doing 1 damage revealing 4/5 spear
cat shows up??? I must have missed him damages 4/5 spear revealing 3/3 spear
Foxtrot 1 gets down to 1 hp before finishing off reg spear revealing 3/5 spear
Foxtrot 2 retreats doing 1 damage revealing 3/5 spear
Foxtrot 10 retreats doing 1 damage revealing 3/5 spear
Foxtrot 9 kills spear losing 2 hp revealing un fortified 3/3 spear
Foxtrot 8 goes down to 1 hp killing spear revealing 2/4 spear
Foxtrot 7 does 1 damage before dying and seeing the spear promote to 2/5
Foxtrot 6 retreats doing no damage
Foxtrot 5 dies doing 1 damage revelaing 2/5 spear
Foxtrot 4 retreats doing 1 damage revelaing 2/5 spear
Foxtrot 3 kills spear
Killnmaim kills 2/5 spear
I know that this is the last one.

Spear dies attacking 1/5 spear
2nd spear kill 1/5 spear and takes Beijing


Move settlers up

Somehow can bump SCI to 30 to cut Theo to 4

T4 - Alex want no part of Dyes & 6gpt for Wines deal.
So I convince him that our gems, 4gpt, & 16G are worth his wine
Chopsticks revolts switch extra citezin to scientist
Found Inching in on hill north of Beijing
Found chinese Coast SE of Beijing

T5 - Greeks want up to pay them 6 G for a WM, sure,.... nothign new
Greeks & japs are building Leo's
start moving in on Nanking

t6 - Mao wants peace so I get 3 of his cities (not Tienstin),WM & 9G (all)
Learn Theology -> PP

t7 - Lizzy want's dyes. sure I don't liek her hair color anyway

Good news, 4 cities acquired, 2 founded. 1 new island landing.

Bad news, I'm still trying to figure out how to get CAII to alert me when a city is about to riot. 3-4 cities have rioted in the turnset including 2 rioting now. Those pyramids are a pain for happiness.

Here is what is left of Mao. The cats are in HJ ready for upgrading (30 each for a total of 270). Someone could probably get a 2fer once PP comes in along with some cash (which we'll need for upgrading Delta (archers) company and Echo (cats) company. Foxtrot (horses) company lost about half of their troops.

 

[Tubby Rower]

We might want to abandon Inching in. It has a 2.3-5.4% chance of flipping and I think that it's annoying Alex with whom a war we are not ready for yet. We are also getting wines from Alex and that would hurt if we lose those right now. I don't know what I was thinking when I settled there.

 

[soul_warrior]

first landfall
what are our plans there?
i'll check the save and post some pics later on.

 

[eldar]

Great going, Beijing was still <50% odds of being taken. Did we get anything for Theology?

 

[Tubby Rower]

No. Alex wouldn't trade it straight up so I forgot to try again later. He has it now. This was a sloppy set of turns for me. I'm not going to use CAII in-game anymore. Mapstat is so much better for MMing.

The vikings are still lacking it but I doubt that we'll get anything for it. According to CAII, Theo is worth 642 & Invention is 705. Ragnar might trade it straight up or with a few gpt or dyes. PP should be more valuable CAII currently has it listed @ 900? Lizzy has education & it's worth 1020. I don't think that we should even try to get Chivalry. It has no use for us.

 

[eldar]

Use PP & gpt to get Education, then use PP+Edu to leverage Invention from Alex? Then start a run on Banking as it's almost 100% certain that Lizzie will be going for Astronomy. That should get us Guns & Astronomy, if we play it right.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I hope & pray that Alex doesn't have any peter (salt that is). If he does, trebs are a must.

BTW, I switched WSTon to a 2 turn treb pump instead of a horse pump. A stack of 20 trebs WILL bring Alex to his knees city by city. In 13 more turns......

 

[eldar]

BTW, I switched WSTon to a 2 turn treb pump instead of a horse pump. A stack of 20 trebs WILL bring Alex to his knees city by city. In 13 more turns......

Good call Could do with replenishing our offensive units, though, from the look of it Beijing did a good job of reducing our support costs, as predicted

 

[Tubby Rower]

Roster check:
eldar -
Tubby Rower - just played
soul_warrior - up - get force ready for operation Bloody Axe
Beorn - on deck -- building up blood lust for Alex
Minute Man -
jb1964 -
A-K -

 

[soul_warrior]

will build up the cadre tonight.

o\t - i know its not very popular, but considering this game goal, this picture speaks volumes.
NO OFFENCE MEANT guys...

 

[jb1964]

o/t

Go on Beijing, knock Mao off our island. Don't care where it jumps his capital, he's out of the game. Pressed for time, didn't expect 1.5 pages of homework. will try to comment more later after football scrimmage.

Admiral, you sound like my son! Are you playing this game from Ohio?

To bring it back on topic...

Agree to knock Mao out.

Has a spoiler been written?

 

[Tubby Rower]

Agree to knock Mao out.

too late. We'll have to wait ~20 turns

Has a spoiler been written?

no. I think that we qualify for it so write away.