SGOTM8 - Own

[Andronicus]

We've got a chance at second I think.

Actually I think Klarius finished 1090AD, Wacken 1160AD, Chunky 1350AD and CDZ 1445AD. We will do well if we beat 1445AD I think.

 

[Own]

Well, if we do, we beat a team with sid and deity players .

 

[Andronicus]

Japan is toast
We have a leader who has formed an army (for next player to fill)
England has Nationalism but is split in 2 and offerring little resistance
Vikings throwing a few zerks at us but falling steadily
Chinese 1 city (at peace, we gained their other in peace treaty)
Cavalry poised to take Greece
Rome remains our main challenge but we have good tank production and with bomber backup victory is assurred - just a matter of when.

Turn log

Pre flight 1270AD

sell all libs, unis, few harbours not being used
optimise production for tanks -> 4-5 tanks per turn
01 - 54spt - 2 turns
04, 05 and 06 - 40spt - shortrush buying temple after first turn -> 2 turners
02 - 34spt - 3 turner
14 and 03 26spt - 4 turners
Buffalo - 22spt short rush using cavalry - 2 turns
08 16spt - shortrush using flak - 3 turner
18, 05, 07 shortrush these as required
set worker gangs planting forest, chopping, irrigating -> extra shields allowing cheaper tank cash rushes (get approx 100 shields per turn but very time intense)
hire extra taxmen - aby city with surplus food outside core is slowly starved then reallocated tile when civasssist advises about to starve
-> able to keep income above 1000gpt most of the time
Airport builds stopped - have enough airfields except in combat zones

1275AD
dow China
- cavs take Hangchow (northern point of our island) 2-0
- land outside Tatung and Tientsing for access to England
Helis land infantry Matsuyama (Midway Island)
Negotiate rop with Vikes (for horses) and Romans (+33gpt for dyes and wines)

1280AD
Chinese campaign
- raze Tatung 5-0
- capture Tientsin 7-0

Southern Isle
- capture Sapporo 9-0 - gateway to southern Japan

Midway campaign
- raze Matsuyama 12-0

1285AD
English campaign
- airdrop 6 infantry next to Newcastle

Midway campaign
- capture Simonesku 15-0

Japan campaign
- airdrop 3 inf on mountain in south as decoy
- ally Roman v Japan (get 9gpt for gems)

Vike campaign
- airdrop first installment inf

IT - England demands leave - refuse -> war

1290AD
Japan campaign
- airdrop 7 inf, settler and explorer at beach-head

English campaign
- capture Newcastle (rename English Offensive - E.O.) 17-0

Vike campaign
-further drop offs inc settler and explorers

IT - watch as about 20 Romans impale themselves at Kyoto

1295AD
Japan campaign
- moved forces trying to access hill

Southern Isle
- kill sam dropped off 18-0
- win one but lose one at Norwich 19-1

English campaign
- E.O rushes airport
- crusader and LB killed 21-1

Vike campaign
further airdrop - forces in place, ready to pillage salt

1300AD
Southern Isle
- Norwich razed 23-1

English campaign
- 4 crusaders killed 27-1
- 10 tanks airlifted

Vike campaign
- dow
- bombers do little damage to units -> delay attack on Copenhagen
- pillage salt

Japan campaign
- Japan Offensive (JO) settled (couldnt access hill as Roman units on it, but adj to Roman rail network to allow rapid deployment)
- airport rushed

China
- landing on former island - pike settler pair killed 28-1

IT - 5 English units impale themselves at EO 33-1

1305AD
12 tanks built this turn -> 168 units, 94gpt support cost -> disband some spears and LBs on ex-Greek island

English campaign
- tanks take out 10 units surrounding EO -> 5 elites 43-1

Vikeland campaign
- Copenhagen razed for loss 1 inf v musket 46-2
- Viking Offensive (VO) settled on hill - rushes airport

Southern Isle
- zerk disposed of 47-2

Japan campaign
-move infantry to prevent Rome blocking tank access next turn to Kyoto
- airlift in 10 tanks

IT - Vikes running away, English move in more lambs for the slaughter

1310AD
England campaign
- 5 eTank victories - no leader 52-2
- bomb remaining salt near York
- airlift 3 inf outside London
- road jungle around EO

Japan campaign
- Kyoto with Leo's razed (sams and muskets) 57-2
- airdrop inf outside Tokyo and position tanks at Nagoya

Vike campaign
- Bomb Stockholm - infrastructure damage only
- airlift 10 tanks

Southern Isle
- raze Farsund 59-2

IT - Romans waste some more units but I note they have captured Yokohama in the south

1315AD
China offerring peace - accept for Chinan leaving them with 1 city
- can redeclare whenever ready as rep is totally shot

Japan campaign (now have Nationalism)
- Inf loses to redlined rifle so fail to take Tokyo 61-3
- Nagoya razed 65-3
- rush rax in JO, airlift another 9 tanks

Vike campaign
- Stockholm razed 68-3
- Oslo just holds by redlined pike 69-3
- tanks positioned by Reykjavik

English campaign
- London weakened 73-3

IT - Vike attacks fail 75-3

1320AD
Japan campaign
- Tokyo razed 79-3
- Kagoshima weakened 82-3
- Nagasaki - lose 3 inf - greedy 82-6

England campaign - now have Nationalism
- Canterbury razed - Washington makes his appearance -> forms army and heli - lifted to JO to form army of next players choice ( surely has to be tank army?) 84-6
- London razed 89-6

Vikeland
- tank practice v zerks 93-6
- Oslo Inf d pike, still 1 left 94-6
- Reyjavik razed (GLH) 96-6 lol - just failed to make it 100 (I'm sure next player will get many more)

And there I finish
I have MMed to end of turn Edit - except for cash rushing a few more units - next player's choice

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm8/Own_SG008_AD1320_01.SAV

 

[Andronicus]

Current strength
29 bombers
53 tanks
33 infantry
3 cav
1 army
7 helis

In vikeland - 12 bomb, 10 tank (2e), 8 ing (1e)
In England - 8 bomb, 10 tank (5e, 1*), 8 inf (3e) - *tank could be airlifted to JO next turn for use in army
In Japland - 7 bomb (+2 in South Is), 21 tank (4e), 6 inf 1e), 1 empty army

Have 827 gp left to buy more units this turn - I have left decision on whether bombers (rush in exGreek Is) or tanks (mainland corrupt cities) up to next player - 1 bomber and 7 tanks already due.

Tanks on home island are protecting core cities against zerk attack - cheaper to rush some infantry to free up these tanks and later those infantry can be airlifted to small enemy islands (in groups of 3 usually enough).

Luxuries - currently have only 3 and import 2 more from Rome - this will of course soon change.
I suggest keeping Kagoshima (should capture next turn) for its ivory - following turn Jap will be destroyed so little flip risk.
Once Nottingham razed can settle colony on insense.
Spices avail on Greek island - req colony and roading to it
Later can use Rome's luxes after conquoring

No WW weariness yet - having Uni. Suff appears to have been a good get .

Roster
Abegweit - up now
Istari Asuka - waiting
Symphony D
Own
Andronicus

I dont expect to see another turn - perhaps we'll finish in 2-3 more turnsets

 

[Own]

I will be furious if I see this again .

Good progress! Attacking each country at the same time seems to be going quick.

I suggest we declare on Rome right now so we can leaderfish on those wandering units.

 

[Andronicus]

Agree we need to attack Rome ASAP - that will be the time limitting factor.
Should we get any more leaders I suggest heli-lifting them to JO for the Roman campaign. I think England and Vikeland are almost managable with current units allowing extra units to go directly fight Rome. I reiterate suggestion of some infantry to replace tanks guarding core cities allowing those tanks to do something more useful.

Edit
Forgot to mention. Worker stacks have been systematically foresting / chopping / reiirigating in lines from the NW to SE. Currently next tile due to be worked is SW of most SWern stack. If you're really keen you could check an old screenie to see which were previously forested - I admit I was too lazy to do this so didnt get full return from chops. Still worth approx 1 tank per turn in shields which accounts for almost 20% of our tank production.

I'll be gone for weekend - hopefully I can read up on the progress on Monday
Good luck all and have fun

 

[IstariAsuka]

Looking good, I'm looking forward to (hopefully) finishing up this war during my set. Great job Andronicus!

Good luck Abegweit!

 

[Abegweit]

My apologies for taking so much time to post my turns. Real-life intervened. I am still not finished but the wars are going very well. Kudos to those who set this up so very nice. It has become clear that the limiting factor is not the Roman conquest but rather conquering all the little islands everywhere. I have been trying to get to together teams to take them out. In consequence, I have switched from tanks to infantry and bombers.

Here is the story to date:

Pre-flight check: looks pretty good. Nice setup. We are ready to break out everywhere.

We will be moving infantry back home for protection and to take out the little islands while the tanks head to the fronts. Four infantry move back home and all the tanks leave immediately. Even if we lose a city, that is not worth ten tanks sitting around idle.

Barracks are hurried in England and Scandinavia. Other micromanagement speeds up a couple of cities. The forestry jobs will be stopped. The end-game has arrived and the workers will be more useful building railroads in the English swamps.

1325 Declare war on Romans. Kagoshima razed [3-0]. Clean out Roman varmints [5-0]
Yokohama razed. [7-0]. More varmints [19-0] Oslo taken [20-0] Nottingham [23-0] English varmint [24-0] Edo [27-0]
[inter-turn] Vikings take Chinang. I forgot about that. Grrr! A leader comes on defense in Oslo! [28-0]
1330 Shantung [31-1]. Trondheim [34-1] Arhus [36-1] Odense [38-2] One HP Musket defeats a full-strength Infantry! Dover [40-2] Brundisium [44-2] and another leader! Osaka [47-2] Hastings [49-2] Various varmints [55-2] Syracuse [58-3] Lugdunum [62-4] Another varmint [63-4] Izumo [65-5]
1335 Nagasaki [68-5] Japanese destroyed. Odense [60-5] Bergen [64-4] 4/4 tank loses to 2/4 Musket! Varmint [65-4] Stavanger [67-4] More varmints [71-4] Neopolis [72-4] York [74-5] Varmints [76-5] Sign peace treaty with Liz in exchange for Brighton on the island to the north of England. The treaty will, of course, be violated. Declare war on Chinese. Attack on Kaifeng [77-5]

At this point we have overrun Scandinavia, are about to take out the English and totally rule the Romans.

 

[Andronicus]

Good progress
Just a question re happiness - could we build a colony on ivory in former Kagoshima (reinforce with infantry) to allow greater income (and more cash rushing).
Edit - also incense colony in England
The key to the islands is to have mobile teams of 3 inf and 1 heli with bomber support - land infantry, bomb to redline and inf will take out easily. If keep city one turn can rebase heli to captured town, load up infantry and rebase elsewhere for next island town (then raze to prevent flip or Chinan scenario - I should have razed it after getting it in peace treaty)

Edit 2 - the slightly bigger islands can be sped up by iairlifting a worker with infantry support to vacant tile (or use tile after razing 1 city) then tanks can be airlifted.
I still feel Rome may be the slowest as they have riflemen, large cities and the northen tundra is forested. If a secondary strike force could land to take out their most northern city when half way through the Roman campaign it may well speed things up a turn or 2

 

[Abegweit]

I played some more last night. Almost finished 1345 and we have started the assault on Roma. We now have three armies in Roman territory and one in England. I disbanded a fifth army in Scandinavia for a bomber

China is gone. Scandanavia is down to two cities. Both Greece and England have been reduced to one. I'll try to get a screenie up at noon and finish this off tonight.

@Andronicus. You were right. The limiting factor is the Romans. I'll try and figure out if it isn't possible to get a base in the far north per your suggestion.

 

[Abegweit]

Andronicus, how do I set up an advance base in the north? Do I have to take a city or is it sufficient to copter in a worker and create an airfield?

 

[Andronicus]

Andronicus, how do I set up an advance base in the north? Do I have to take a city or is it sufficient to copter in a worker and create an airfield?

Cant build airfield in enemy territory.

Suggest position 2 helis with 5 inf and worker at Denver. Next turn airdrop inf and worker 1 tile south of Rome's most northern city and ensure sufficient bombers to redline maybe 3 or 4 max riflemen are within range of this town. Following turn capture (dont raze or may lose cultural control over tiles to Romans) northern city, build airfield on southernmost accessible tile and airlift in a doz tanks .

Another thing which might speed progress is using combat settlers - there is an excellent article in war academy - I have never really used this strat effectively but with 2 movement tanks and widely spaced Roman cities this should allow more rapid progress.

Good luck - you're making excellent progress - once able to airlift all our tanks to Rome they should fall rapidly = maybe only 5-6 turns left?

 

[Own]

5-6 turns left? Definately. I had better not see this again.

 

[Abegweit]

I tried to find a way to build an advance base and eventually concluded that brute force was a faster route than any nefarious plans. This was true. I took the entire north country in one turn. Sent in the tanks to take the anchor city and the armies to wipe out the others.

Unfortunately two successive attempts to take Caesaria failed. IMO, both should have succeeded. Damned rng Still... I should have built up enough forces to make it would work. OTOH, I was only in range for a proper attack at the penultimate turn. At that point, I followed through with about 20 bombers and 6 infantry. That worked Sorry if it took an additional turn.

My thanks to the people who set up this magnificient end game. Wiping out the varmints was lots of fun.

 

[Abegweit]

The end.

 

[Abegweit]

Check the territory graph. I think we finished fifth. Not shabby at all.

 

[AlanH]

Well done, Team Own. Good date Are you plannig to upload your final save?

 

[Andronicus]

Check the territory graph. I think we finished fifth. Not shabby at all.

Great finish Abegweit - the last part of our teritorry graph looks awsome! I didnt see a finish date but if I read the date on your last victory screenie correctly then I think we will come 4th if we finished in 1370 (making 1375 the turn after victory save). The bad news is Team Chunky finished 1 turn earlier to nab 3rd, leaving us with a very respectable 4th.

Well done everyone.

Now to read all those spoilers from other teams

PS any volunteers for a final write up?

 

[Abegweit]

We finished in 1365AD so apparently we tied with Chunky. That is the save I uploaded. Apparently that was the wrong thing to do. Sorry. I'll get the 1370 save up later today. I'm at work right now and I don't have it with me here.

 

[Andronicus]

We finished in 1365AD

Are you sure ... that date which I can half see at the bottom of your screenie looks suspiciously like 1370.