Shocking Interview with Unembedded, Independent American journalist in Iraq

[Desmond Hawkins]

Really? Judging from the reactions I've been getting over the past few weeks, I thought the majority of political posters were pro-US hawks. Am I wrong?

No, we are just sick of "freedomunderground.com" or "IhateAmerica.org", or the likes, every single day

 

[MarineCorps]

I mean, sure, bush never had the right reason for invading, I would be hard-pressed to think of a single person who encourages it. I bet most, if not, all of the posters in here are against it.

I have yet to meet a war I did not like.

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

Really? Judging from the reactions I've been getting over the past few weeks, I thought the majority of political posters were pro-US hawks. Am I wrong?

In the 90's when I argued for US involvement in Rwanda, Bosnia, Kosovo, and some other locations I was called by some folks on the right a left-wing humanitarian lunatic.

As I'm sure I'm one that the above can be applied to as I supported operations in Iraq(, though for the 23 reasons outlined by Congress in their pre-war resolution, not WMD,) I'm now being called a pro-US hawk.

Funny that. In the right context, both are accurate.

 

[Speedo]

A fine piece of literature. I give it two thumbs up.

 

[BasketCase]

Before reading anything else in this thread: initial 2 posts describe an interview with a guy whose bias is so blatant he has no business being a journalist.

:chant: Until zulu stops the spam, I'm not gonna move!

 

[zulu9812]

bias is not the same as inaccuracy

 

[Cuivienen]

Certainly there is bias, BasketCase, but there are facts as well.

(PS, Iraq is a failure.)

 

[Speedo]

bias is not the same as inaccuracy

A very astute observation. I think this guy is at least as good as Fox news

 

[BasketCase]

There are no facts on Iraq. NONE. Ask this guy quoted at the start of this thread, Iraq is a failure. And he's naturally not the only one who says so. Ask, say, one of many civil workers WHO HAVE BEEN THERE, they say Iraq is a success. There are many such people.

Two huge camps of people, giving diametrically opposed testimony. Therefore you can't say you have any freaking clue what the hell is going on over there.

 

[zulu9812]

Well, why don't you go there?

 

[cgannon64]

What, Zulu, have you sunken to the level of, "If you love it so much why don't you marry it?"

Btw, I don't understand why I should even read through all this article. Innocents die - Yes. There is devastation - Yes. War causes suffering - Yes.

There are an infinite reasons to argue against war, but they are always trumped by the fact that war will never cease happening.

 

[North King]

What, Zulu, have you sunken to the level of, "If you love it so much why don't you marry it?"

Btw, I don't understand why I should even read through all this article. Innocents die - Yes. There is devastation - Yes. War causes suffering - Yes.

There are an infinite reasons to argue against war, but they are always trumped by the fact that war will never cease happening.

So we should view it as inevitable and do nothing to prevent it?

 

[Mario Feldberg]

What a lot of nonsense BS.
Surely the Iraqis love these "patriots" who are fighting against "foreign occupation".
Reality Check: Over 90% of the people killed by the terrorists are IRAQIS! Now that's how you fight foreign invaders - kill your own people! Right from the beginning the terrorists did stuff like destroying the water supply lines etc. They try everything to stop the restoration of law and order in Iraq by killing Iraqi policeman like mad. Given the fact that security / crime is the primary issue for Iraqis at the moment the result of a recent Bagdhad poll is not suprising:

Do you support military action against the terrorists?
Yes = 87.7 %
No = 11.1%

Source: http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

The terrorists ARE a bunch of foreign jihadies, local islamist radicals, nazis and ordinary gangsters who are terrorizing the country. This is proven by their own actions in Iraq everyday.

You are such a pack of ignorant bastards. You're still dreaming about moving the coalition troops out of Iraq? How much more ignorant about the situation "down there" can you get? This would cause one of the biggest civil war massacres in modern history. The UN would beg the US to send the troops back in to stop the genocides.

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[zulu9812]

What, Zulu, have you sunken to the level of, "If you love it so much why don't you marry it?"

That's not what I was saying at all

Btw, I don't understand why I should even read through all this article. Innocents die - Yes. There is devastation - Yes. War causes suffering - Yes.

There are an infinite reasons to argue against war, but they are always trumped by the fact that war will never cease happening.

If war will never cease happening, then we must never cease striving to lessen it's effects. Remember, America wasn't obeying some mythical universal constant: it chose to go to war for very dodgy reasons. It didn't have to.

 

[zulu9812]

What a lot of nonsense BS.
Surely the Iraqis love these "patriots" who are fighting against "foreign occupation".
Reality Check: Over 90% over the people killed by the terrorists are IRAQIS! Now that's how you fight foreign invaders - kill your own people! Right from the beginning the terrorists did stuff like destroying the water supply lines etc. They try everything to stop the restoration of law and order in Iraq by killing Iraqi policeman like mad. Given the fact that security / crime is the primary issue for Iraqis at the moment the result of a recent Bagdhad poll is not suprising:

Source: http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

The terrorists ARE a bunch of foreign jihadies, local islamist radicals, nazis and ordinary gangsters who are terrorizing the country. This is proven by their own actions in Iraq everyday.

You are such a pack of ignorant bastards. You're still dreaming about moving the coalition troops out of Iraq? How much more ignorant about the situation "down there" can you get? This would cause one of the biggest civil war massacres in modern history. The UN would beg the US to send the troops back in to stop the genocides.

100,000 civilians dead in Iraq. That is a conservative figure. That's quite impressive for the so-called engine of precision that is the US military: it managed to kill ten times more civilians than troops. The US killed over 100,000 people not for getting rid of a dictator, not for liberation, not for WMDs, but for oil and business. People have died for profits. People who don't understand THAT reality check are ignorant so-and-so's

 

[Mario Feldberg]

This "Blood for Oil" BS is about as reasonable and convincing as the Jewish World Conspiracy. Sorry the world is more complex than that.
And where do you get your numbers from?

 

[zulu9812]

I am NOT going to argue about the Lancet figure, I've done it enough times

 

[newfangle]

So we should view it as inevitable and do nothing to prevent it?

That would certainly curb a lot of the senseless leftist spitter-spatter.

 

[newfangle]

The US killed over 100,000 people not for getting rid of a dictator, not for liberation, not for WMDs, but for oil and business. People have died for profits.

Do you actually believe that? I mean, something more along the lines of "PNAC wants to spread American interests abroad" would have made much more sense. There has been nothing profitable about this venture.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

While war is often inevitable, countries (which will remain unnamed), should avoid entering wars that are unnecessary.