Should Civfanatics just make one "Civ V Criticism Thread"?

[Palfouri]

At this point this forum is a bad place to discuss the game because any actual discussion about the game are drowned out by 98249824 different threads whining about the same thing. While I suppose it will bother the people who feel their original and unique complaints need to be heard in a separate thread, I think one thread for all these angry comments, similar to TWC's "Empire: Total War Criticism thread" and harsh punishments for people who violate the rule (i.e try to be special snowflakes) would do a lot to help improve the Civ V forum.

 

[KingYosef]

This is all posted in the General discussion forum. That means either positive or negative views accepted relative to the members opinion. If you don't like someone else's opinion then don't come to the General Discussion forum.

 

[AlpsStranger]

This is the one thing they shouldn't do. A thread should either be considered reasonable and allowed to exist or considered spam and shut down by the moderators. There is no need to allow a post but insist that it be ghettoized. If it's so bad that it should be quarantined then it is so bad it should be deleted or locked.

 

[lschnarch]

... I think one thread for all these angry comments, similar to TWC's "Empire: Total War Criticism thread" and harsh punishments for people who violate the rule (i.e try to be special snowflakes) would do a lot to help improve the Civ V forum.

Hmm... some kind of virtual concentration camp?
Maybe some black-dressed "reliable, non-whining" forum members as guards, authorized to perform the "harsh punishment"?
Maybe even some kind of medal or special benefits for reporting such "violating postings"?

May I assume that you already have an idea who would fit best for the role of Amon Goeth?

Moderator Action: Sarcasm or not, this is inappropriate on these forums

 

[Louis XXIV]

I think one thread per topic isn't unreasonable, but that would still allow plenty of diverse criticism threads (and praise threads) without crowding out anything else. Placing all complaints in one thread is overkill, though. No need to make this place draconian.

 

[ohioastronomy]

It makes sense to group related subjects together - for example, it's pretty common to group up "why isn't (this civilization) in the game?" threads.

Lumping together anything critical is pretty ridiculous, however. There is a strategy forum for strategies.

If they fix the numerous problems I expect more positive threads here. If they make things worse (and the recent patch actually did make some things notably worse, like trading) ...well, they'll continue to get negative feedback. Deserved negative feedback.

 

[masterminded]

This would marginalize the opinions of critics as there are just too many criticisms of the game. There is no way to maintain a coherent discussion with 20+ potential conversations going on. It would become unmanageable and have the effect of stifling discussion. It's a subtle form of censorship allowing dissenters to maintain criticism, but only in very limited venues.

Of course, this is a private forum. No one has the right to post and speech can be regulated, but this doesn't change the fact that such a policy would be ghettoizing and marginalizing dissenting opinions.

The idea of a separate thread for each issue would be fine in this regard, but the time commitment on the part of the moderators would be too large; although, I may be wrong about that.

 

[Vordeo]

I would like one thread in which to dump all OT discussion of game quality, personally. If someone starts a thread to discuss say, natural wonders or the Catherine leaderhead's cleavage and that gets derailed by Civ bashing/defending, I think it'd be a good idea for the mods to move all OT posts into some miscellaneous civ quality megathread. Be alot of work for the mods, so don't know how workable it is.

I'm not advocating limiting all civ quality discussion to that thread, for the record, I just want to be able to discuss other topics without the same tired old arguments coming up.

Hmm... some kind of virtual concentration camp?
Maybe some black-dressed "reliable, non-whining" forum members as guards, authorized to perform the "harsh punishment"?
Maybe even some kind of medal or special benefits for reporting such "violating postings"?

May I assume that you already have an idea who would fit best for the role of Amon Goeth?

Well, that's certainly not an overreaction. Nope, not at all.

 

[Nicopol]

Hmm... some kind of virtual concentration camp?
Maybe some black-dressed "reliable, non-whining" forum members as guards, authorized to perform the "harsh punishment"?
Maybe even some kind of medal or special benefits for reporting such "violating postings"?

May I assume that you already have an idea who would fit best for the role of Amon Goeth?

lol - very good post

 

[JLoZeppeli]

Well, that's certainly not an overreaction. Nope, not at all.

After the OP spoke of "harsh punishments for people who violate the rule" and called who don't think aligned to him "people who feel their original and unique complaints", it seems to me not so overreacted... I'm from Italy, i know very well Fascism...

 

[John-SJ]

I voted yes, but only if it means that all 98249824 other whine threads would be condensed into that one thread, and that all other new whine threads would be condensed or deleted.

This forum could use a little clean up, IMHO.

 

[Clement]

What's the point of brushing customer complaints under the carpet? All businesses need feedback, otherwise they would'nt know how their products have been received.

 

[lynxxyarly]

I voted yes and am invoking godwins law. Concentration camps for criticsm threads.

This thread is now about nazis.

 

[fantsu]

Maybe do only one "Civ V Praise Thread"?
That would make more sense.

 

[PawelS]

I think there should be separate forum sections for constructive discussion and whining.

 

[Revoran]

I think one criticism thread is a bit restrictive, however I think that threads with little/no discussion value which are basically just a rant or whine should be locked/closed. The forum DOES need lots more constructive criticism threads but it DOESN'T need another 200 whining rants or ridiculous polls.

 

[Ighten]

I voted no as it should be self controlled.. I would have more respect for some of the posts themselves if people used a little more common sense and stopped posting a new thread for every single Hate post.. But we have mods to sort that out

 

[Bhoy]

I think a Civ 5 criticism thread might break the internet. It would be immense.

 

[vincentz]

I will use my post # 1000 defending ranting and whining. Not that I used 1000 post on it. I mostly used them on constructism and creativism (a word?), shaping others and my own mods for Civ 4.
But defending it because it is democracy (peoples voice) and if you suppress it, the truth shall never be heard. This would be fatal, and while I'm not going to play Civ V anymore (or at least untill something dramatically happens) I still have high hopes for Civ VI.
But if the ranting and whining was suppressed, the developers would never find out that such a big part of the hardcore fanatics, people who played the series since Civ I, people who used 1000 of hours of their own free time to develop mods etc, and people who thought that Civ IV was the best game in the world, was sooo unhappy about the result with civ V that within days after release the forums where flooding in complaints, then Civ VI is going to suck even bigger than Civ V.
But hey! you might say. Look at all these people who actually like Civ V.
But hey!!! 50% who like civ 5 more than civ 4 is just not enough. 60% isnt enough. Even 70% or 80% would still be a disasterous result in the polls.
We're not talking about two completely different titles here. We're talking about a development going all the way from Civ I. And it seems to me (and a whole lot of other people) that this development is going in the wrong direction.

END OF RANT

 

[zonk]

At this point this forum is a bad place to discuss the game because any actual discussion about the game are drowned out by 98249824 different threads whining about the same thing. While I suppose it will bother the people who feel their original and unique complaints need to be heard in a separate thread, I think one thread for all these angry comments, similar to TWC's "Empire: Total War Criticism thread" and harsh punishments for people who violate the rule (i.e try to be special snowflakes) would do a lot to help improve the Civ V forum.

I disagree entirely --

There are a variety of beefs right now... some universal, some fixable, some confined to different player types.

I think everyone agrees the tactical AI is awful (even post-patch)
Most people seem to agree that diplomacy is a wreck
Most people think that City States are terribly unbalanced
Some people think that Social Policies are an insufficient replacement for some form of government/civics
Most builders think there isn't much to do/Next Turn wastelands
Most people think resources are seriously lacking in flavor and in most cases, value
Most people think tile improvements are seriously flawed and unbalanced
A few people think embarkation is a crime against naval/oceanic play


And so on....

It's hard for me to see how it's just "one thing" -- unless you want to say that "one thing" is that "CiV is subpar".