GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
The jaguar Warrior is just an Aztec replacement for the Regular warrior. In other words The Jaguar Warrior has no preq. 
Should we trade our starting techs?
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Grandmaster
Deity
Point taken, but still.... you have to admit its not nearly as useful as the Panzer (but its a helluva lot more useful than Cossacks in my opinion.)
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
I would have to aggree with you Grandmaster. I use the Panzers all the time. I have even expanded the German tanks in the editor so I can upgrade the Panzer to the Leopard II Tank
. In the normal game I tend to play the Germans and get there Panzers and roll over my enemies. Any back on topic, we should avoid traiding Tech (When our civ and the traiding civ are the same tech level) that enables the creation of military units to any civilizations. It is safe to trade pottery to another civ, for example. But not the tech that enables them to build military units. (Bronze working, Iron working, ETC.) If we are Technologicaly advance then it is safe, but not when we are (almost) have equal tech level.
Grandmaster
Deity
I agree. The only way to win a war is to have superior technology. We should under no circumstances trade away Bronze or Iron Working, and I think the Aztecs already have warrior code. If we find another civ, however, that doesn't have Warrior Code, I'd say trade it. Back to my old standpoint, the Jag is nothing to fear. At best it can run away from our advancing waves of troops (and horses neutralize that). Against anything but another Warrior, it can't put up a fight. That is all.
Eklektikos
Eponymous
I support the sale of bronze, since chances are they'll get it anyway and we'll have missed our chance to profit. Iron Working is of course an entirely different matter. It would take a truly massive offer to convince me that trading that is a good idea.
@Grandmaster: I think we'll have to settle this disagreement when PtW comes out!
@Grandmaster: I think we'll have to settle this disagreement when PtW comes out!
donsig
Low level intermediary
Do we need to profit if we're planning to make war on the Aztecs? Won't we get what they have anyway, or are we taking them right out? Or, egads!, have we decided on peace even before the war starts?
Grandmaster
Deity
Right back @ Eklektikos: Fine by me. You can use your Jag Warriors, and I'll use my Panzers, and we'll see which UU is better, and settle this for all time.... But on the point of bronze, its true that by the time we build an effective invasion force they'll have already discovered Bronze. However, a suggestion: wait a bit before trading. That way, if they're working on Bronze, they'll have wasted research time. Plus, it will at least forstall for a coupla turns the production of spears. Cutting down production by even 1 defender might mean life or death, so it might be a useful strategy. And if they find it in a goody hut, then it woulda been too late anyway, but thats the way it goes.
Eklektikos
Eponymous
Well, if we want to make our second city an effective settler farm then it makes sense to get a granary put up in there as soon as possible, which means pottery. Waiting for that tech until we've beaten up the Aztecs enough to put the squeeze on them would slow our expansion and make it harder to support the large military force I envisage for the next phase of aggression, so I think it'd be worth it.
And don't think your wanton use of the P-word slipped past unnoticed. Wash your mouth out with soap young man!
IceEye
Emperor
get ceremonial burial!
