Siberian Cities for Russian UHV

[FromasterG]

I would just like to say that I love playing this mod for its historical background. Saying this, I also should say that I try to play civs in a relatively historically accurate manner.

That aside, I have been attempting the Russian UHV (on viceroy, I'm not extremely good at these) and want to know which Siberian cities everyone thinks are the best representation of the USSR and where they are located on the map.

I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to ask something like this, but I just want to know what you guys think.

 

[killerkebab]

If you want a USSR you'll have to fight and raze some cities - Irkutsk, for example, is just 2 tiles away from Kharakhorum, the Mongolian capital. You may have to fight and kick Japan out of Vladivostok, and you may have to fight or at least consider fighting the Turks for towns such as Grozny (although Grozny is a really useless town). You'll have to fight the Turks for Mary/Dushanbe/Tashkent if they happen to control Turkmenistan and its surrounding area rather than Independents.

You'll have to fight the Germans/Turks and settle Warsaw/Budapest/Sarajevo/Belgrade (pick and mix the easiest for you ), and you may have to fight the Spanish for Havana.

As for Siberian cities to settle, you can more or less pick whatever you think is appropriate, though I'd advise you to make sure you settle Vladivostok, Petropavlovsk (far, far east), Omsk, and Irkutsk as all of these were known naval and air force bases in the cold war. Definitely settle Novosibirsk also.

I know it is an unpopular civic (and with good reason when you compare it to the others) but state property can definitely have its uses for you. The extra food+production will come in handy and the drastically reduced maintenance costs will definitely help. Also, state property will rename some of your cities such as Caricyn and St. Petersburg to their soviet-era names - in this case Stalingrad and Leningrad, respectively.

 

[evran]

I wanted to know this also... and you say settle these cities... but where exactly are their tiles located?

 

[corovanrobber]

Don't forget to settle Khabarovsk!

 

[blizzrd]

When I reconstructed the USSR (including all the tundra and ice), I actually got a Domination victory by accident. There really is that much territory to cover.

 

[evran]

When I reconstructed the USSR (including all the tundra and ice), I actually got a Domination victory by accident. There really is that much territory to cover.

did you have vassals? Part of their land is included in domination.

 

[dragodon64]

I'll try to help with the locations, although Russian geography isn't my best point...

Vladivostok is right above the westernmost point of the Sea of Japan.
Novosibirsk is between the 2 big river systems and about 2N of the deserts edge
Irkutsk is SW of Lake Baikal (the big lake N of Mongolia)
Ekaterinberg is SE of the Urals
Magadan is on the northern coast of the Sea of Okhotsk
Pavlodar is on the first plains of the river that comes from the desert
Petropavlosk is just downstream from Pavlodar

Phew! All done without any settler maps! (Although I did use the atlas)

Btw, does anyone happen to know the names of the various rivers in Siberia (or the rest of Russia, for that matter)?

 

[apenpaap]

Btw, does anyone happen to know the names of the various rivers in Siberia (or the rest of Russia, for that matter)?

The big river going through Moskow is the Volga, and the biggest river in Siberia is the Lena. The other one I don't know.

 

[Lone Wolf]

The big river going through Moskow is the Volga,

Uhm, no.

Petropavlosk is just downstream from Pavlodar

I assume killerkebab meant Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.

 

[killerkebab]

The big river going through Moskow is the Volga, and the biggest river in Siberia is the Lena. The other one I don't know.

No. The Volga is the river that connects Volgograd and Kazan. The river going through Moscow gave the city its name: The Moskva.

 

[killerkebab]

Petropavlosk is just downstream from Pavlodar

Sorry, I did mean Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky in the far East

 

[Ready_set_go]

How do you guys know all this

 

[killerkebab]

How do you guys know all this

A combination of having played the game before, looking at the city name maps, Wikipedia and Google

 

[dragodon64]

killerkebab, either you stalk me or we have very similar hobbies .

 

[Thonnas]

"Tjumen" - Tile SE of the Deer, 3 tiles east of the Urals, where the Ob meets the Irtysh (in the game, not actuality). First Russian city in Siberia (and good in game location).
"Omsk" - 4E+1S of Tyumen
"Krasnojarsk" - 6E+1N of Omsk
(If you really want that authenticity, put "Novosibrisk" midway between Omsk and Krasnoyarsk.)
As noted Irkutsk is pretty well in Mongolian territory, but if you're lucky you may be able to settle "Angarsk" (4E+2S of Krasnoyarsk).(This actually seems to be closer to where Irkutsk actually sits anyway, and I just rename it.)
"Jakutsk" - 9E+5N of Angarsk
"Vladivostok" will only name itself on the 2 grassland tiles across from Hokkaido, but a bit west and still on the coast seems to work a little better. Just wedge in there somewhere between Japan and China. (You'll just have to name it yourself.)
Other than those, just grab resources and good land. "Nizhnevartovskij" 5N of Omsk is one of my favorites.

As to other suggestions: Ekaterinberg works better just S of the 3 Ural peaks, which won't count for UHV. Similarly, anything East of Vladivostok isn't going to count for UHV. (If you like paying for worthless cities, they do exist there, but that doesn't mean you have to build them. Maybe those Fish and Whale resources will vitalize your economy, though.)

Always push those damn Turks back, their culture will destroy the world if left unchecked. Try not to push around the Germans too much. The last thing you want is France or Netherlands to take over Germany. Try to make them a wasal.

In game, Moskow is on the north side of the Volga. Realistically, it should be 1 tile south, where the Moskva would be dribbling south into the Oka. Russia is certainly the most deformed region of the RFC map, but it works.

 

[Deon]

How do you guys know all this

For me it's easy .

Anyway, Civfanatics.ru have an ongoing discussion which includes various changes we need to do to make Euroasia closer to real world, because Current RFC:E map has a lot of errors. However people in general do not think that such big changes may be accepted by the world community because they are mostly Russia-related, thus it may result in a separate "historically accurate" version for those who're interested. There's a lot to do, with python and control maps, to accomodate the changes.

 

[ICNP]

Are most of the Siberian cities even worth settling? The Marsh and Tundra seems to make most of them useless. That said I'd make Germany a vassal and have them cover the Balkans for you.

Russia is a strange country as their the only Civ that might see use out of Serfdom, State Property, and Late Game Hereditary Rule/Police State. Don't forget that once you win as Russia, you should play one more turn, just so you can cause some mayhem by converting to Free Market and Universal Suffrage.

 

[dragodon64]

Representation with 20-30 cities would cause some pretty big mayhem too, as would bureaucracy.

@Thonnas: I don't know much in detail about Russian geography, but would you say that its even worse than the eastern United States or the Balkans? Some regions being oversized, like Greece and Japan, I can understand, but those regions are horribly mutated.

 

[Thonnas]

That depends on how you qualify it. It is certainly more as far as scale simply due to the nature of the map skew. I don't really think the Eastern US is that bad, actually, considering the amount of space there is to work with. The Balkans are tricky because of space, too, but they are kind of wonky.
Everywhere I look on the map I see things that just aren't quite right from a real geographical perspective, but they work for the game, and changing one thing inevitably means something else will get skewed. There's got to be balance between game play and realism somewhere.
There are always lots of people that think their country/region is wrong or didn't get enough attention. As it goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

As for settling more Siberian cities, I believe you need 7 now for the UHV, and there are some fairly important resources in the vast frozen north.

 

[Capello_Moderno]

I haven't tried the Russian UHV yet but it sounds intriguing. I have a question though: What counts as Siberia? Is it everything east of the Ural Mountains and north of Ulan Bator & Seoul?