Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
I agree with Deon, a great Spy would be more logical. (make skaven palace produce great Spy points)
Skaven Design and Ideas.
- Thread starter Arexack_heretic
- Start date
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
Yeah I know. 
What I meant was "one of those special person guys".
What I meant was "one of those special person guys".
Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
Skaven Spells:
Spoiler :
Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
im going to add another spell that causes a city the be affected by the 'Plague' the same as what appears in the Rhyes and Fall of Civilisation Mod. but that will require the merging of the whole Plage mechanic from Rhyes to WH. does anyone have any idea which files are used for the Plague mechanics?
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
I think I see your problem the code says if caster.plot.bonus ISNOTEQUALTO bonustype.WARPSTONE return TRUE.
The idea was to allow when on a resource yes?
try using
The idea was to allow when on a resource yes?
try using
Code:
while unit.blabla == blabla.string:
return TRUEPsychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
i have honestly no clue about python. all the things i change work through trial and error, i have no idea about pythin syntax. can you be more specific than:
Code:
while unit.blabla == blabla.string:
return TRUE
(how do you know "caster.plot.bonus ISNOTEQUALTO bonustype.WARPSTONE return TRUE." doesnt the '=' sign mean if the plot is Warpstone?
)
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
== is called an operator and means = in normal math terms,
X = Y is used to create instances of object X with the value Y (any type of data from simple strings or a number value to arrays of objects)
there are operators for any type of math or conditional statements,
X == Y : X equals Y
X != Y : X not equals Y
X -= Y : X is X-Y
X *= Y : multiply
etc. There is an entire wiki on python which is very usefull at times.
I made an error before: the return statement is always returned when a method is finished, so we need to have it's value variable, because there is only one return per method.
The while also wouldn't work, because it would keep the method running, never returning a value untill the unit left the plot and the condition became false, returning in your case True, which is false..
This should work I think:
X = Y is used to create instances of object X with the value Y (any type of data from simple strings or a number value to arrays of objects)
there are operators for any type of math or conditional statements,
X == Y : X equals Y
X != Y : X not equals Y
X -= Y : X is X-Y
X *= Y : multiply
etc. There is an entire wiki on python which is very usefull at times.
I made an error before: the return statement is always returned when a method is finished, so we need to have it's value variable, because there is only one return per method.
The while also wouldn't work, because it would keep the method running, never returning a value untill the unit left the plot and the condition became false, returning in your case True, which is false.
.This should work I think:
Code:
def reqWarpToken(caster):
# pPlot = caster.plot()
# warpstone = False
# if pPlot.getBonusType(-1) == gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_WARPSTONE'):
# warpstone = True
# else:
# warpstone = False
# return warpstonePsychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
awsome, thanks for that run down AH
i feel slightly less n00bish now
thanks for the code btw, ill see how it works out now
i feel slightly less n00bish now
thanks for the code btw, ill see how it works out now
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
you might want to look into python conditional flow.
def methodname(parameters):
[create container objects to improve readability, and linking to other outside values]
if someconditionis == true: [condition]
[do this stuff, can change value of objects for example]
elif:
[do other stuff]
else:
[if all else fails...]
return
[need not have a value, but callback functions generally want some feedback, if this method was imbedded in another function this value could be used as imput]
be carefull with local objects, it is easy to mistake it.
you can give a locally defined object the value of a global-object, but this does not mean you are actually changing the global object.
you can use the local.object in conditional statements, but to change the global.object, you need to call it itself.
ie
GC = globalContext(iUnit) or whatever, creates a local object GC which has the properties of globalContext(iUnit), but changing the values of GC in a methiod only changes the value of GC in that method, not it's mother-object.
to change values in the global context into the value of GC, you'd need to do globalContext(iUnit) = GC.
I think.
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Could we give Grey Seers a free single token value of warpstone?
they are really powerfull mages favoured by the chaos deity of the horned rat and only use warpstone to further increase their power.
Maybe give them normal casters power, but use warpstone token to allow double casting?
Plague priests are actually also greySeers. Monks not so, but they often carry warpscrolls, powerfull cursed magic.
Skryre warlocks are dependent on warpstone for their magics, that is perfect.
warp lightning / random alien spells
For the Skryre warmachines it might be better to just have requirment of the resource to build/upgradeTo though. (warpfire/poisonwind/jazzail/warpcannon/doomwheel/doombell etc)
---
hmmm items :yum:
I like the current magic-mechanic better than the books,
but books can still be very powerfull items, granting spells normally not allowed to the caster/civ.
Could be a very cool class of quests, like the dragon hoard:
"Nagash has a library filled with dangerous arcane knowledge, which he is abusing in abominable ways. The Arch-Traumaturge urges your majesty to put an end to this mad-man's atrocities. Collect those tomes and deliver them into our safekeeping."
-Have the tomes studied. - freetech:necromancy/become more evil/possible civwide unhappyness as the church incites unrest.
-Lock the tomes away safely. req. traumaturgy library. +happy civwide
scrolls can be nice items to have normal units cast a spell... at a cost.
def methodname(parameters):
[create container objects to improve readability, and linking to other outside values]
if someconditionis == true: [condition]
[do this stuff, can change value of objects for example]
elif:
[do other stuff]
else:
[if all else fails...]
return
[need not have a value, but callback functions generally want some feedback, if this method was imbedded in another function this value could be used as imput]
be carefull with local objects, it is easy to mistake it.
you can give a locally defined object the value of a global-object, but this does not mean you are actually changing the global object.
you can use the local.object in conditional statements, but to change the global.object, you need to call it itself.
ie
GC = globalContext(iUnit) or whatever, creates a local object GC which has the properties of globalContext(iUnit), but changing the values of GC in a methiod only changes the value of GC in that method, not it's mother-object.
to change values in the global context into the value of GC, you'd need to do globalContext(iUnit) = GC.
I think.
===
Could we give Grey Seers a free single token value of warpstone?
they are really powerfull mages favoured by the chaos deity of the horned rat and only use warpstone to further increase their power.
Maybe give them normal casters power, but use warpstone token to allow double casting?
Plague priests are actually also greySeers. Monks not so, but they often carry warpscrolls, powerfull cursed magic.
Skryre warlocks are dependent on warpstone for their magics, that is perfect.
warp lightning / random alien spells
For the Skryre warmachines it might be better to just have requirment of the resource to build/upgradeTo though. (warpfire/poisonwind/jazzail/warpcannon/doomwheel/doombell etc)
---
hmmm items :yum:
I like the current magic-mechanic better than the books,
but books can still be very powerfull items, granting spells normally not allowed to the caster/civ.
Could be a very cool class of quests, like the dragon hoard:
"Nagash has a library filled with dangerous arcane knowledge, which he is abusing in abominable ways. The Arch-Traumaturge urges your majesty to put an end to this mad-man's atrocities. Collect those tomes and deliver them into our safekeeping."
-Have the tomes studied. - freetech:necromancy/become more evil/possible civwide unhappyness as the church incites unrest.
-Lock the tomes away safely. req. traumaturgy library. +happy civwide
scrolls can be nice items to have normal units cast a spell... at a cost.
Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
Thanks for that AH, that REALLY cleared up a lot. i feel like i was stumbling around in the dark before
hmmm, good idea, but im not sure how. let me play around some more this the tokens.
The Skyre Warlocks was what i was basing these spells off. they wont be represented by a civ in the game so i thought why not make them the units:
Skyre Warlock
Skyre Warlock Lord
Skyre Grey Seer
i agree
like the Libre Bubonicus. im planning on making that an equipment for the skaven. i was going to make it so that any caster who has it can cast all skaven spells, and not require warp tokens to do so. perhaps also a small boost to spell damage...
I also agree with this.
what would you say to me asking if you would look into the Equipment mechanics in FfH and finding out how much work would be rewuired to merge that with WH? im a bit tied down with this minimod at the moment, and im also working on fialising my map with Kai's help for the Rhyes mechanic (which Masada is looking into
)i really need to make a to do list...
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
Already tried this with the warlords version and FfH, but then I had to retroengineer the whole FfH magic-mechanic into WH and that proved too much. 
I'll promise to look into it.
It's too yummy to leave lying around, someone will pick at it eventually.
What version of FfH are we basing off actually? (so that I know which to pick apart)
First I'd like to get that giant rat model working though.
hmm 3dmax has completed DL.
---
Ooh!
are ranged attacks possible for the AI at this time?
I'd like Jezzails to have a 'use warptoken to kill one [person] 2-3 tiles away',
where [person] is a group of unitclasses that represent a single person or a character with retinue.
As just a free ability it would be far too powerfull.
---
Problem with the GreySeers is, they do not belong to any clan,
they are priests of the Horned Rat.
They mediate between clans and interpret the will of THR and the only skaven intrinsically capable of magic.
So they should not be in an upgrade path from the skryre warplock engineers, who are magical madscientists.
Also because they are rare, Let them appear as (cultural/magical?) greatpersons instead of being built?
skryre-
warlock mechanic
warlock engineer
warlock master engineer
could it be done, so that these can learn spells from enemies?
Maybe by infiltrating a city with a college, when a promotion is due.
[promotion: esotheric research, requirement to use another civ's magical colleges for magical-promotion prereq.]
********
poop.
3dmax esca versiona Italiano, no comprendo me-o. :mario:
I'll promise to look into it.
It's too yummy to leave lying around, someone will pick at it eventually.
What version of FfH are we basing off actually? (so that I know which to pick apart)
First I'd like to get that giant rat model working though.
hmm 3dmax has completed DL.
---
Ooh!
are ranged attacks possible for the AI at this time?
I'd like Jezzails to have a 'use warptoken to kill one [person] 2-3 tiles away',
where [person] is a group of unitclasses that represent a single person or a character with retinue.
As just a free ability it would be far too powerfull.
---
Problem with the GreySeers is, they do not belong to any clan,
they are priests of the Horned Rat.
They mediate between clans and interpret the will of THR and the only skaven intrinsically capable of magic.
So they should not be in an upgrade path from the skryre warplock engineers, who are magical madscientists.
Also because they are rare, Let them appear as (cultural/magical?) greatpersons instead of being built?
skryre-
warlock mechanic
warlock engineer
warlock master engineer
could it be done, so that these can learn spells from enemies?
Maybe by infiltrating a city with a college, when a promotion is due.
[promotion: esotheric research, requirement to use another civ's magical colleges for magical-promotion prereq.]
********
poop.
3dmax esca versiona Italiano, no comprendo me-o.
:mario:
Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
well its based of Pre Shadow (i think version .25? ) but the equipment thing is only in Shadow, which is why i havent doe it already. i dont know how merging mods works
yehFirst I'd like to get that giant rat model working though.
hmm 3dmax has completed DL.
i cant wait to see him well, im not too sure about AI, but i havent noticed them using any of the ranged spells ive made
Ok. i think maybe we could make grey seers a Skaven replacement for Great Priests?
could i get some buttons for those?
whats your troubles with 3DSMax?
that code you posted dosnt allow the caster to collect warp tokens at all now.
perhaps we need a different mechanic for this?
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
I'll find some engineers for you.
As a placeholder, you could use the pistoliers icon.
and the skryre-hero button (i think it's being used as leaderhead)
lets see I got you one plague priest, (Greyseer replacement Pestilens)
and one Greyseer (with horns staff and flaming sword)
possibly SeerLord Tranquol, but he's not too good.
I'll see to more.
skitterleap Im not sure about the look, but I think I ll base it off a jumping assasin.
deathfrenzy, maybe a skaven foaming at the mouth. or a red-eye. with skull image overlay.
my problem with 3dsax is that itis in Italian, can't read that too well. It looks like a complex enough program without mystery options.
As a placeholder, you could use the pistoliers icon.
and the skryre-hero button (i think it's being used as leaderhead)
lets see I got you one plague priest, (Greyseer replacement Pestilens)
and one Greyseer (with horns staff and flaming sword)
possibly SeerLord Tranquol, but he's not too good.
I'll see to more.
skitterleap Im not sure about the look, but I think I ll base it off a jumping assasin.
deathfrenzy, maybe a skaven foaming at the mouth. or a red-eye. with skull image overlay.
my problem with 3dsax is that itis in Italian, can't read that too well. It looks like a complex enough program without mystery options.
Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
Italian!?!
is there no option to change the language?
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
Don't think so... if there is I can't read it.
Got some more buttons done , that only leaves the 'deathfrenzy' spell.
I will upload buttons in organized archivefiles. (later)
new: 'warpstone meteorite', 'skitterleap', "rodofcorruption", 'seer-warlock'
---
generally:
All units will have to be replaced by rat-men units, but basically
skaven foot-units move 1/3rd faster.
skaven uits are relatively cheap to build.
skaven have no cavalry or archers,
skryre specialist troops will have to compensate fo this lack.
I'm thinking that maybe most skaven units will be available to all. but at a highercost.
n.b. Eshin assasins and infiltrators will be available to all, but at 150% the build cost.
or should we just use 'normal scouts' for non-eshin skaven in this example?
skryre warplocks can carry spells produced in a city, in case of miscast:
spells have a 1/2 chance of malfunction, malfunction means 1/2 death of spellitem, 1/2 spell cast on self or random target.
skryre infiltrators can capture spells at unallied universities.
Skaven greyseers are great prophets and these are capable of great magics, without need of items.
Eshin :
invisible scouts, that upgrade to infiltration units.
gutterrunners,nightrunners, assasins with poisonous weapons.
pestilens:
plaguemonks are touger than normal troops.
-plaguemonks with plaguepromotion get a bonus.
cencerbearers-massive collateral destruction + causes pestilence. (carried by plaguemonk units.)
'Plague Cauldron' siegeweapon.
religious building that generates +:happy: per
in city?
Moulder:
-better beast-handlers, slavers
-free breedingpit in capital.
-can have more rare monster units than others.
specials:
Liber Bubonicus (pestilens spellbook)
Vile Cauldron- Pestilens national project- when finished unleashes a virulent plague in all cities of one chosen civ.
Cauldron of a thousand poxes (pestilence national unit) can bombard city, causes plague.
Rod of corruption: some horrible pox upon the enemy
Eshin assasination : kill opponent leader, anarchy for 3 turns, 'new' leader with random traits generated.
Moulder Pit:
can mutate units in city. -can cause death, may transform into moulder-beasts, most just get mutation promotion, casting mutate on a mutant may create a chaos spawn.
Seer-stone(seers only)
fell-blade : increases unit power, and causes negative heal on carrying unit.
dwarf gouger: +1S, +2/2 firststrikes vs dwarves
Sacred standard of the horned rat.
Got some more buttons done , that only leaves the 'deathfrenzy' spell.
I will upload buttons in organized archivefiles. (later)
new: 'warpstone meteorite', 'skitterleap', "rodofcorruption", 'seer-warlock'
---
generally:
All units will have to be replaced by rat-men units, but basically
skaven foot-units move 1/3rd faster.
skaven uits are relatively cheap to build.
skaven have no cavalry or archers,
skryre specialist troops will have to compensate fo this lack.
I'm thinking that maybe most skaven units will be available to all. but at a highercost.
n.b. Eshin assasins and infiltrators will be available to all, but at 150% the build cost.
or should we just use 'normal scouts' for non-eshin skaven in this example?
skryre warplocks can carry spells produced in a city, in case of miscast:
spells have a 1/2 chance of malfunction, malfunction means 1/2 death of spellitem, 1/2 spell cast on self or random target.
skryre infiltrators can capture spells at unallied universities.
Skaven greyseers are great prophets and these are capable of great magics, without need of items.
Eshin :
invisible scouts, that upgrade to infiltration units.
gutterrunners,nightrunners, assasins with poisonous weapons.
pestilens:
plaguemonks are touger than normal troops.
-plaguemonks with plaguepromotion get a bonus.
cencerbearers-massive collateral destruction + causes pestilence. (carried by plaguemonk units.)
'Plague Cauldron' siegeweapon.
religious building that generates +:happy: per
in city?Moulder:
-better beast-handlers, slavers
-free breedingpit in capital.
-can have more rare monster units than others.
specials:
Liber Bubonicus (pestilens spellbook)
Vile Cauldron- Pestilens national project- when finished unleashes a virulent plague in all cities of one chosen civ.
Cauldron of a thousand poxes (pestilence national unit) can bombard city, causes plague.
Rod of corruption: some horrible pox upon the enemy
Eshin assasination : kill opponent leader, anarchy for 3 turns, 'new' leader with random traits generated.
Moulder Pit:
can mutate units in city. -can cause death, may transform into moulder-beasts, most just get mutation promotion, casting mutate on a mutant may create a chaos spawn.
Seer-stone(seers only)
fell-blade : increases unit power, and causes negative heal on carrying unit.
dwarf gouger: +1S, +2/2 firststrikes vs dwarves
Sacred standard of the horned rat.
Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
Spell casters dont carry books or such i nthis version
other ideas look nice. im sensing a farvortism for Pestilense though?
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
I was thinking it might be appropriate for skryre warplocks.
Pestilens is more flavourfull.
can't really think of many eshin specialties, unless sneakyness will be severely limited to the other two factions.
same for moulder. beasts, that's it. nb trying it out, but animals suck in combat, so really only the monsters built are worth much...
maybe captured animals and slaves can be mutated at the pits as mentioned in the previous post.
Pestilens is more flavourfull.
can't really think of many eshin specialties, unless sneakyness will be severely limited to the other two factions.
same for moulder. beasts, that's it. nb trying it out, but animals suck in combat, so really only the monsters built are worth much...
maybe captured animals and slaves can be mutated at the pits as mentioned in the previous post.
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
Some ideas were discussed in the WH-mini-mods thread.
need to copy them.
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I'm currently into XML editing, so
I'll re-upload the icons in an ordered fashion today.
-= here =-
need to copy them.
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I'm currently into XML editing, so
I'll re-upload the icons in an ordered fashion today.
-= here =-
Arexack_heretic
Emperor
stuck with this entry. there is a bug in it, but I can't see it.
Its a "tag: 1 error"
Its a "tag: 1 error"
Code:
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-->Psychic_Llamas
Wizard in the Making
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