SM4 - The Great War
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Cyllus
King of Misfits
What's happening here?
ThERat
Deity
Tim, even if you can't finish your turns, post what you played so far.
TimBentley
Deity
Sorry, I kept thinking I would have time to play.
420(0): extra food in Salamanca, Orleans, Oka, Allegheny
extra shield in Lyons so there's extra useful gold later
extra gold in Grenoble, Broken Ankle
change Huaras to worker as I don't want a foreign settler (oops, didn't realize there was a forest chop at the time)
2 MWs kill redlined musket, 2hp longbowman
IBT: MW dies to knight
alliance with Zulu against Incas expires
Broken Ankle rax->MW
Zulu, India start Bach's
430(1): kill 2 muskets to raze Tamboccocha
kill 2 muskets to raze Ica
kill a random longbowman
found Ganogeh
IBT: kill 2 MDI
Zulu have cavalry
Salamanca MW->MW
Niagara MW->MW
Grand River MW->MW
Allegheny spear->MW
Huaras worker->cat
Flatbrush cat->MW
Gimme MW->lib
440(2): apparently we ruined our rep with Incas
IBT: Arabia destroys Greece
kill an MDI
Whiskey River spear->spear
Rouen rax->MW
India starts Bach's
450(3): kill an MDI
IBT: Zulu capture Chartres
Lyons spear->MW
Ivory City MW->MW (maybe aqueduct is better)
Caughnawaga rax->MW
India starts Bach's (I guess it's at the start of the turn, sorry)
Here is the save.
420(0): extra food in Salamanca, Orleans, Oka, Allegheny
extra shield in Lyons so there's extra useful gold later
extra gold in Grenoble, Broken Ankle
change Huaras to worker as I don't want a foreign settler (oops, didn't realize there was a forest chop at the time)
2 MWs kill redlined musket, 2hp longbowman
IBT: MW dies to knight
alliance with Zulu against Incas expires
Broken Ankle rax->MW
Zulu, India start Bach's
430(1): kill 2 muskets to raze Tamboccocha
kill 2 muskets to raze Ica
kill a random longbowman
found Ganogeh
IBT: kill 2 MDI
Zulu have cavalry
Salamanca MW->MW
Niagara MW->MW
Grand River MW->MW
Allegheny spear->MW
Huaras worker->cat
Flatbrush cat->MW
Gimme MW->lib
440(2): apparently we ruined our rep with Incas
IBT: Arabia destroys Greece
kill an MDI
Whiskey River spear->spear
Rouen rax->MW
India starts Bach's
450(3): kill an MDI
IBT: Zulu capture Chartres
Lyons spear->MW
Ivory City MW->MW (maybe aqueduct is better)
Caughnawaga rax->MW
India starts Bach's (I guess it's at the start of the turn, sorry)
Here is the save.
ThERat
Deity
Smart
ThERat
TimBentley
CommandoBob - up
adz106 - on deck
Cyllus
cavalry will be a toughy to crack later on when we turn to them
ThERat
TimBentley
CommandoBob - up
adz106 - on deck
Cyllus
cavalry will be a toughy to crack later on when we turn to them
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Monarchy in 12 turns (9.0.1)
895 gold, +111 gpt
Salamanca (8) grows in 5, vMounted Warrior (vMW) in 1.
Orleans (4) grows in 2, settler in 9.
Lyons (6) grows in 9, vMW in 8.
Whiskey River (7) grows in 5, vSpear in 3.
Niagara Falls (7) grows in 4, vMW in 1.
Grand River (7) grows in 3, vMW in 2.
Oka (2) grows in 5, settler in 19.
Ganogeh (1) grows in 7, barracks in 37.
Allegheny (7) grows in 32, vMW in 1.
Chondote (2) grows in 10, walls in 5.
Rouen (4) zero growth, vMW in 14.
Grenoble (5) grows in 7, vGalley in 16.
Ivory City (6) grows in 6, vMW in 6.
Amiens (5) zero growth, rGalley in 10.
Gandasetaigon (1) grows in 3, rGalley in 23.
Cherbourg (6) grows in 17 library in 4.
Oil Springs (6) grows in 10, market in 8.
Huaras (2) shortage of 2 fpt (two taxmen), catapult in 18.
Flatbush (6) grows in 4, vMW in 3.
Gimme horses (6) grows in 7, library in 12.
Great Lake of the Fish (8) grows in 17, barracks in 1.
Broken Ankle (4) grows in 4, vMW in 12.
Kahnawake (4) grows in 10, settler in 20.
Caughnwaga (4) grows in 4, vMW in 6.
City Builds:
Military:
We are weak compared to Japan (Despotism).
We are weak compared to Zululand (Monarchy).
We are weak compared to Incas (Monarchy).
We are weak compared to India (Republic).
We are weak compared to Arabia (Republic).
We are weak compared to Spain (Republic).
We are only at war with the Incas.
Incas are at war with everyone except Japan (no contact) and India.
We have 24 cites and are tied with the Arabs for most cities.
Incas have 18 cities.
We can still sell Currency to Japan for 34 gold (all).
Check prices on Monarchy.
Spain: 37 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
India: no trade
Zulus: WM, 36 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
Arabs: WM, 37 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
Check prices on Engineering.
Spain: does not have
India: no trade
Zulus: WM, 71 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
Arabs: WM, 73 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
Spain lacks Engineering but also lacks gold.
Check prices on Feudalism.
Spain: no trade
India: no trade
Zulus: no trade
Arabs: no trade
FYI: Incas will give up the city of Vilcabamba (3) to make peace, but no techs or other cities.
We have three horses.
We have two fur, one dye and two ivory.
Don't see any new luxuries.
Plan to continue the grinding of the Incas.
Looks like we have a good deal of space to fill in, especially in the northwest towards the Incas. Should we peel off some settlers from our larger cities to fill this before the AI?
895 gold, +111 gpt
Salamanca (8) grows in 5, vMounted Warrior (vMW) in 1.
Orleans (4) grows in 2, settler in 9.
Lyons (6) grows in 9, vMW in 8.
Whiskey River (7) grows in 5, vSpear in 3.
Niagara Falls (7) grows in 4, vMW in 1.
Grand River (7) grows in 3, vMW in 2.
Oka (2) grows in 5, settler in 19.
Ganogeh (1) grows in 7, barracks in 37.
Allegheny (7) grows in 32, vMW in 1.
Chondote (2) grows in 10, walls in 5.
Rouen (4) zero growth, vMW in 14.
Grenoble (5) grows in 7, vGalley in 16.
Ivory City (6) grows in 6, vMW in 6.
Amiens (5) zero growth, rGalley in 10.
Gandasetaigon (1) grows in 3, rGalley in 23.
Cherbourg (6) grows in 17 library in 4.
Oil Springs (6) grows in 10, market in 8.
Huaras (2) shortage of 2 fpt (two taxmen), catapult in 18.
Flatbush (6) grows in 4, vMW in 3.
Gimme horses (6) grows in 7, library in 12.
Great Lake of the Fish (8) grows in 17, barracks in 1.
Broken Ankle (4) grows in 4, vMW in 12.
Kahnawake (4) grows in 10, settler in 20.
Caughnwaga (4) grows in 4, vMW in 6.
City Builds:
- vMW [10] (Salamanca, Lyons, Niagara Falls, Grand River, Allegheny, Rouen, Ivory City, Flatbush, Broken Ankle and Caughnawaga)
- Settler [3] (Orleans, Oka and Kahnawake)
- vSpear [1] (Whiskey River)
- Barracks [2] (Ganogeh and Great Lake of the Fish)
- Walls [1] (Chondote)
- vGalley [1] (Grenoble)
- rGalley [2] (Amiens and Gandasetaigon)
- Library [2] (Cherbourg and Gimme horses)
- Market [1] (Oil Springs)
- Catapult [1] (Huaras)
Military:
- 00 Settler
- 05 Workers
- 02 Warriors
- 02 Archers
- 15 Spears
- 27 Catapults
- 02 Galleys
- 02 Army
- 37 Mounted Warriors
We are weak compared to Japan (Despotism).
We are weak compared to Zululand (Monarchy).
We are weak compared to Incas (Monarchy).
We are weak compared to India (Republic).
We are weak compared to Arabia (Republic).
We are weak compared to Spain (Republic).
We are only at war with the Incas.
Incas are at war with everyone except Japan (no contact) and India.
We have 24 cites and are tied with the Arabs for most cities.
Incas have 18 cities.
We can still sell Currency to Japan for 34 gold (all).
Check prices on Monarchy.
Spain: 37 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
India: no trade
Zulus: WM, 36 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
Arabs: WM, 37 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
Check prices on Engineering.
Spain: does not have
India: no trade
Zulus: WM, 71 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
Arabs: WM, 73 gpt and 895 of 895 gold
Spain lacks Engineering but also lacks gold.
Check prices on Feudalism.
Spain: no trade
India: no trade
Zulus: no trade
Arabs: no trade
FYI: Incas will give up the city of Vilcabamba (3) to make peace, but no techs or other cities.
We have three horses.
We have two fur, one dye and two ivory.
Don't see any new luxuries.
Plan to continue the grinding of the Incas.
Looks like we have a good deal of space to fill in, especially in the northwest towards the Incas. Should we peel off some settlers from our larger cities to fill this before the AI?
ThERat
Deity
more cities is never a bad idea, we will need them for unit support and for science farms
Smart
King
I thought we were planning to take GL, how are we going to do that? When should we start? Zulu have cavalry already and will get rifles soon...
If our army won't be attacked, we can carry some units with it, but I don't think so (defence = 1)
If our army won't be attacked, we can carry some units with it, but I don't think so (defence = 1)
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Oh, I must have missed that. I'll get back with some thoughts to get the GL.
ThERat
Deity
well, we need to fight Zulu next after Incas gone....
TimBentley
Deity
I'll be out until a week from Sunday.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Was finally able to get two turns played last night. Sorta tame, compared to some other turns in this game. Plan to finish tonight.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
1 0460 AD
Salamanca vMW -> settler, one turn (city will go to size 6).
Two Inca units can be attacked, but will them slug it out with the Zulu on the IBT and then kill the cripples.
[IBT]
We are attacked twice on the IBT; win one, lose one.
Spain lands some units on the backside of Inca land.
Salamanca settler -> vMW, 4 turns.
Niagara Falls vMW -> vMW, 3 turns.
Allegheny vMW -> vMW, 3 turns.
Great Lake of the Fish barracks -> vSpear, 3 turns.
2 0470 AD
Found Last French Folly 2 SW of Lyons, grows in 10, catapult in 20.
Minor Skirmishes
vMW vs.vMace 1/4, MW wins (2 of 3).
Zulus appear very ready and able to attack the Incas. We let them.
Save game for the night.
[IBT]
Zulus and Incas flay at each other, Zulus prevailing.
Spainish forces in Inca land are destroyed.
Grand River vMW -> settler, 4 turns.
3 0480 AD
Zulu Cavalry is impressive. Let it kill and raze Incas while we fill in with new cities.
3rd Ivory is connected.
Niagara Falls vMW -> settler, 2 turns.
[IBT]
Moved 2 vMWs into harms way; both were lost in Inca attacks (2 of 5).
Arabs sending a lot of units, at least 30, west through India, to take on the Incas. Includes Ansars and Warriors.
Whiskey River vSpear -> vSpear, 4 turns.
Flatbush vMW -> settler, 5 turns.
4 0490 AD
Move a settler northwards, just north of Ganogeh; Zulu Impi stands where we want to build.
[IBT]
Lose a vMW (2 of 6).
Zulus clean up.
Arabs begin to appear to our south.
Indian settler/musket pair appear near Cherbourg.
Niagara Falls settler -> vMW, 5 turns.
Allegheny vMW -> vMW, 3 turns.
Chondote walls -> barracks, 14 turns.
Cherbourg library -> settler, 5 turns.
Great Lake of the Fish vSpear -> vSpear, 3 turns.
5 0500 AD
Move settler into place, 3NW of Ganogeh.
[IBT]
And the save is >>HERE<<.
Salamanca vMW -> settler, one turn (city will go to size 6).
Two Inca units can be attacked, but will them slug it out with the Zulu on the IBT and then kill the cripples.
We are attacked twice on the IBT; win one, lose one.
Spain lands some units on the backside of Inca land.
Salamanca settler -> vMW, 4 turns.
Niagara Falls vMW -> vMW, 3 turns.
Allegheny vMW -> vMW, 3 turns.
Great Lake of the Fish barracks -> vSpear, 3 turns.
2 0470 AD
Found Last French Folly 2 SW of Lyons, grows in 10, catapult in 20.
Minor Skirmishes
vMW vs.vMace 1/4, MW wins (2 of 3).
Zulus appear very ready and able to attack the Incas. We let them.
Save game for the night.
Zulus and Incas flay at each other, Zulus prevailing.
Spainish forces in Inca land are destroyed.
Grand River vMW -> settler, 4 turns.
3 0480 AD
Zulu Cavalry is impressive. Let it kill and raze Incas while we fill in with new cities.
3rd Ivory is connected.
Niagara Falls vMW -> settler, 2 turns.
Moved 2 vMWs into harms way; both were lost in Inca attacks (2 of 5).
Arabs sending a lot of units, at least 30, west through India, to take on the Incas. Includes Ansars and Warriors.
Whiskey River vSpear -> vSpear, 4 turns.
Flatbush vMW -> settler, 5 turns.
4 0490 AD
Move a settler northwards, just north of Ganogeh; Zulu Impi stands where we want to build.
Lose a vMW (2 of 6).
Zulus clean up.
Arabs begin to appear to our south.
Indian settler/musket pair appear near Cherbourg.
Niagara Falls settler -> vMW, 5 turns.
Allegheny vMW -> vMW, 3 turns.
Chondote walls -> barracks, 14 turns.
Cherbourg library -> settler, 5 turns.
Great Lake of the Fish vSpear -> vSpear, 3 turns.
5 0500 AD
Move settler into place, 3NW of Ganogeh.
And the save is >>HERE<<.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I had planned to play 10 turns, but RL and some in-game issues convinced me to just play these five turns.
North Plains 500 AD
On the Blue Dot 3NW of Ganogeh we have a settler ready to make another city next turn.
We also have a lot of space to claim and I have switched some builds in the core from vMW to Settler to be able to claim this land. Thus far I have only seen one settler pair heading for this area. I think we need to make are Iroquois, with lots of funky Verb/Adjective-Noun names. Zulus and soon the Arabs are going to be killing the Incas for a long time to come. Let's let them do our dirty work while we build new cities and strengthen our older ones.
I think that is the right strategy; I don't know (based on experience) that it is the right strategy. So this seemed like a good time in the game to stop and ask about it.
I have not been trying to beat up on the Incas since I am focused on building some cities. I have had only one offensive attack. I feel too passive right now, and again, I am not sure if stalling our offense is a good thing, even with Zulu and Arab help.
We are the second richest civ and that bothers me, since I expect someone to demand some tribute.
We can trade away some of that gold, but I don't know if these deals are good enough:
Engineering:
Arabs: 50 gpt and 1191 of 1314 gold.
India: no trade.
Spain: 50 gpt and 1191 of 1314 gold.
Zulu: 50 gpt and 1175 of 1314 gold.
Feudalism:
Arabs: no trade.
India: no trade.
Spain: no trade.
Monotheism:
Arabs: 50 gpt and 1188 of 1314 gold.
India: no trade.
Spain: 50 gpt and 1188 of 1314 gold.
Zulu : 50 gpt and 1171 of 1314 gold.
Monarchy:
Arabs: 21 gpt and 1157 of 1314 gold.
India: no trade.
Spain: 21 gpt and 1157 of 1314 gold.
Zulu : 20 gpt and 1162 of 1314 gold.
Republic:
Arabs: 55 gpt and 1177 of 1314 gold.
India: no trade.
Spain: 55 gpt and 1177 of 1314 gold.
Zulu : 55 gpt and 1160 of 1314 gold.
Currency:
Japan will pay 80 of 80 gold for Currency.
And add this wrinkle: Zulu and India have off shore contacts with:
English
Mongols
Babylonians
Koreans
Aztecs
Persians
Vikings
I did not check these prices. But I suspect if we got one we could trade around for the others and maybe reduce our tech cost.
With these three or four rather major areas of discussion and the fact it took me so long just to play these turns, I thought it best to just play these five and pass the game along to the next player.
North Plains 500 AD
On the Blue Dot 3NW of Ganogeh we have a settler ready to make another city next turn.
We also have a lot of space to claim and I have switched some builds in the core from vMW to Settler to be able to claim this land. Thus far I have only seen one settler pair heading for this area. I think we need to make are Iroquois, with lots of funky Verb/Adjective-Noun names. Zulus and soon the Arabs are going to be killing the Incas for a long time to come. Let's let them do our dirty work while we build new cities and strengthen our older ones.
I think that is the right strategy; I don't know (based on experience) that it is the right strategy. So this seemed like a good time in the game to stop and ask about it.
I have not been trying to beat up on the Incas since I am focused on building some cities. I have had only one offensive attack. I feel too passive right now, and again, I am not sure if stalling our offense is a good thing, even with Zulu and Arab help.
We are the second richest civ and that bothers me, since I expect someone to demand some tribute.
We can trade away some of that gold, but I don't know if these deals are good enough:
Engineering:
Arabs: 50 gpt and 1191 of 1314 gold.
India: no trade.
Spain: 50 gpt and 1191 of 1314 gold.
Zulu: 50 gpt and 1175 of 1314 gold.
Feudalism:
Arabs: no trade.
India: no trade.
Spain: no trade.
Monotheism:
Arabs: 50 gpt and 1188 of 1314 gold.
India: no trade.
Spain: 50 gpt and 1188 of 1314 gold.
Zulu : 50 gpt and 1171 of 1314 gold.
Monarchy:
Arabs: 21 gpt and 1157 of 1314 gold.
India: no trade.
Spain: 21 gpt and 1157 of 1314 gold.
Zulu : 20 gpt and 1162 of 1314 gold.
Republic:
Arabs: 55 gpt and 1177 of 1314 gold.
India: no trade.
Spain: 55 gpt and 1177 of 1314 gold.
Zulu : 55 gpt and 1160 of 1314 gold.
Currency:
Japan will pay 80 of 80 gold for Currency.
And add this wrinkle: Zulu and India have off shore contacts with:
English
Mongols
Babylonians
Koreans
Aztecs
Persians
Vikings
I did not check these prices. But I suspect if we got one we could trade around for the others and maybe reduce our tech cost.
With these three or four rather major areas of discussion and the fact it took me so long just to play these turns, I thought it best to just play these five and pass the game along to the next player.
You could also buy Zulu or India's World Map...
Also, You now know who all of the civs are:
Iroqouis (you)
France (destroyed)
Inca
Zulu
India
Arabs
Greece (destroyed)
Spain
Japan
English
Mongols
Babylonians
Koreans
Aztecs
Persians
Vikings
BTW, if you get all of the contacts at once, you can choose which one to declare war on when you get to them.
Also, You now know who all of the civs are:
Iroqouis (you)
France (destroyed)
Inca
Zulu
India
Arabs
Greece (destroyed)
Spain
Japan
English
Mongols
Babylonians
Koreans
Aztecs
Persians
Vikings
BTW, if you get all of the contacts at once, you can choose which one to declare war on when you get to them.
ThERat
Deity
Smart
ThERat
TimBentley
CommandoBob
adz106 - up (last time active on 14Feb, so maybe next player might want to grab it)
Cyllus - on deck
ThERat
TimBentley
CommandoBob
adz106 - up (last time active on 14Feb, so maybe next player might want to grab it)
Cyllus - on deck
ThERat
Deity
Cyllus, just take it and play
ThERat
Deity
if nobody is posting a got it, I will play some turns today to get this game moving
Cyllus
King of Misfits
Go ahead The Rat, I can't play till tomorrow night at the earliest. If yo haven't by then I'll take my ten then.
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