So whatcha all doing for BG1

Dianthus · Dec 15, 2005

Drogear said:
thordk: thanks for the help but this is simply not working for me. Might the problem lie in that I installed civIV on a another HD partition?

Shouldn't make a difference. Did you get the message about not being able to find zlib1.dll?

Anyway, I've created the log for you

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Spoiler :

Big_Ben · Dec 15, 2005

took me a little while to figure it out as well. Easiest way to get it to work is to copy your save file and put a copy in the general C: directory. i renamed the copy savegame.civ4savedgame (keep the normal exension, can't remember if that is right). Then I moved the eventlog to C: as well.

then i just go to DOS and run this:

eventlog.exe savegame.civ4savedgame savedgame.txt

makes it easier with having to put the file path in there.

Drogear · Dec 15, 2005

Turn 6: You have discovered Hunting!
Turn 21: You have discovered Bronze Working!
Turn 21: <color=102,229,255,255>Hinduism</color> has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 35: You have discovered Masonry!
Turn 49: You have discovered Animal Husbandry!
Turn 51: You have discovered Agriculture!
Turn 56: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Slavery</color>!
Turn 61: <color=102,229,255,255>Buddhism</color> has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 64: You have discovered Writing!
Turn 75: <color=102,229,255,255>Judaism</color> has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 76: Elizabeth adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Organized Religion</color>!
Turn 85: Washington adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Slavery</color>!
Turn 94: You have discovered Alphabet!
Turn 96: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Pyramids!
Turn 100: You have discovered Priesthood!
Turn 101: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Representation</color>!
Turn 101: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Slavery</color>!
Turn 102: Elizabeth adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Slavery</color>!
Turn 111: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed Stonehenge!
Turn 120: Elizabeth converts to <color=102,229,255,255>Judaism</color>!
Turn 129: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has been founded in Djenne!
Turn 129: You have discovered Code of Laws!
Turn 129: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Gao.
Turn 130: NIKLAS-9C7A472A converts to <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color>!
Turn 131: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Timbuktu.
Turn 132: Cyrus converts to <color=102,229,255,255>Judaism</color>!
Turn 133: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Oracle!
Turn 134: You have discovered Civil Service!
Turn 134: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Bureaucracy</color>!
Turn 136: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Tadmekka.
Turn 137: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Kumbi Saleh.
Turn 138: Imhotep has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 139: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Hanging Gardens!
Turn 140: You have discovered Literature!
Turn 140: Elizabeth adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Bureaucracy</color>!
Turn 140: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Bureaucracy</color>!
Turn 140: Washington adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Bureaucracy</color>!
Turn 140: Hatshepsut adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Bureaucracy</color>!
Turn 147: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Wadan.
Turn 153: Homer has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 153: You have discovered Music!
Turn 153: Merit Ptah has been born in a far away land!
Turn 154: <color=102,229,255,255>Taoism</color> has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 161: You have discovered Paper!
Turn 161: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Taodeni.
Turn 162: Hatshepsut adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Organized Religion</color>!
Turn 162: Hatshepsut converts to <color=102,229,255,255>Hinduism</color>!
Turn 163: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Awdaghost.
Turn 165: You have discovered Currency!
Turn 165: Moses has been born in a far away land!
Turn 165: Xi Ling Shi has been born in a far away land!
Turn 166: Elizabeth has completed The Kashi Vishwanath!
Turn 166: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Organized Religion</color>!
Turn 166: Washington adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Organized Religion</color>!
Turn 168: <color=102,229,255,255>Hinduism</color> has spread in Awlil.
Turn 169: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Great Library!
Turn 171: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Persepolis.
Turn 173: Mahavira has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 173: Hatshepsut adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Hereditary Rule</color>!
Turn 175: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Kong Miao!
Turn 177: You have discovered Education!
Turn 180: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Tekedda.
Turn 181: <color=102,229,255,255>Taoism</color> has spread in Niani.
Turn 182: You have discovered Philosophy!
Turn 182: <color=102,229,255,255>Buddhism</color> has spread in Walata.
Turn 182: <color=102,229,255,255>Hinduism</color> has spread in Taghaza.
Turn 183: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Pacifism</color>!
Turn 184: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Pasargadae.
Turn 185: Cyrus converts to <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color>!
Turn 187: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Kano.
Turn 188: NIKLAS-9C7A472A is the first to discover Liberalism!
Turn 188: You have discovered Liberalism!
Turn 189: You have discovered Nationalism!
Turn 189: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Universal Suffrage</color>!
Turn 189: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Religion</color>!
Turn 189: <color=102,229,255,255>Taoism</color> has spread in Bilma.
Turn 189: Elizabeth adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Religion</color>!
Turn 190: You have discovered Metal Casting!
Turn 190: Zoroaster has been born in London!
Turn 191: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Zaria.
Turn 191: <color=102,229,255,255>Christianity</color> has been founded in Coventry!
Turn 192: Elizabeth has completed The Temple of Solomon!
Turn 192: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Religion</color>!
Turn 193: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed Notre Dame!
Turn 193: Cyrus has completed The Parthenon!
Turn 194: You have discovered Machinery!
Turn 199: Nabu-rimanni has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 199: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Katsina.
Turn 200: You have discovered Printing Press!
Turn 200: Hatshepsut adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Religion</color>!
Turn 202: Washington adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Religion</color>!
Turn 207: You have discovered Constitution!
Turn 212: Plato has been born in Pasargadae!
Turn 215: You have discovered Democracy!
Turn 215: Elizabeth adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Serfdom</color>!
Turn 216: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Emancipation</color>!
Turn 217: You have discovered Guilds!
Turn 218: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Representation</color>!
Turn 218: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Serfdom</color>!
Turn 219: Hatshepsut adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Emancipation</color>!
Turn 220: You have discovered Banking!
Turn 220: Chuang-Tzu has been born in London!
Turn 221: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Mercantilism</color>!
Turn 221: Aristole has been born in Thebes!
Turn 222: <color=102,229,255,255>Christianity</color> has spread in Agades.
Turn 223: Harkuf has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 223: You have discovered Economics!
Turn 223: Elizabeth has completed The Church of the Nativity!
Turn 225: Ptolemy has been born in Persepolis!
Turn 226: Hypatia has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 226: <color=102,229,255,255>Confucianism</color> has spread in Ngazargumu.
Turn 227: You have discovered Corporation!
Turn 228: You have discovered Optics!
Turn 228: Washington adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Universal Suffrage</color>!
Turn 228: Washington adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Emancipation</color>!
Turn 229: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Speech</color>!
Turn 229: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Market</color>!
Turn 232: You have discovered Astronomy!
Turn 234: Zu Chongzhi has been born in Washington!
Turn 236: You have discovered Scientific Method!
Turn 236: Mencius has been born in York!
Turn 240: Al-Kindi has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 240: You have discovered Physics!
Turn 241: Hatshepsut adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Market</color>!
Turn 241: <color=102,229,255,255>Islam</color> has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 242: Elizabeth adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Representation</color>!
Turn 242: Elizabeth adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Emancipation</color>!
Turn 242: Elizabeth adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Market</color>!
Turn 243: You have discovered Chemistry!
Turn 245: You have discovered Replaceable Parts!
Turn 245: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Nationhood</color>!
Turn 245: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Emancipation</color>!
Turn 245: Cyrus adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Market</color>!
Turn 248: You have discovered Steam Power!
Turn 250: Al-Khwarizmi has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 252: You have discovered Assembly Line!
Turn 252: Alhazen has been born in Thebes!
Turn 253: St. John has been born in London!
Turn 254: Washington adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Market</color>!
Turn 255: You have discovered Biology!
Turn 257: Nicolaus Copernicus has been born in Pasargadae!
Turn 260: You have discovered Electricity!
Turn 260: Cyrus is the first to circumnavigate the Globe!
Turn 264: You have discovered Industrialism!
Turn 266: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Statue of Liberty!
Turn 267: You have discovered Steel!
Turn 269: You have discovered Artillery!
Turn 273: St. Peter has been born in York!
Turn 274: You have discovered Rocketry!
Turn 276: Archimedes has been born in Persepolis!
Turn 277: You have discovered Radio!
Turn 277: Cyrus has completed Broadway!
Turn 278: Hatshepsut adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Speech</color>!
Turn 282: You have discovered Computers!
Turn 283: Francis Bacon has been born in Thebes!
Turn 285: St. Paul has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 286: Johannes Kepler has been born in London!
Turn 287: You have discovered Satellites!
Turn 287: Elizabeth's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 291: Washington adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Free Speech</color>!
Turn 292: You have discovered Fiber Optics!
Turn 294: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed Apollo Program!
Turn 296: You have discovered Fission!
Turn 297: NIKLAS-9C7A472A's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 297: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Taj Mahal!
Turn 299: You have discovered Refrigeration!
Turn 301: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Casing!
Turn 301: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Casing!
Turn 303: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Thrusters!
Turn 304: You have discovered Genetics!
Turn 305: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Cockpit!
Turn 305: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Casing!
Turn 305: Mani has been born in Heliopolis!
Turn 306: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Thrusters!
Turn 306: Isaac Newton has been born in Pasargadae!
Turn 306: Hatshepsut's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 307: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Thrusters!
Turn 307: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Casing!
Turn 308: St. Augustine has been born in Coventry!
Turn 309: You have discovered Robotics!
Turn 309: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Casing!
Turn 309: Rene Descartes has been born in Boston!
Turn 310: NIKLAS-9C7A472A's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 311: Elizabeth has completed Apollo Program!
Turn 313: Heron has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 313: You have discovered Fusion!
Turn 313: Antony van Leeuwenhoek has been born in York!
Turn 315: Hatshepsut's Golden Age has ended...
Turn 316: You have constructed a Laboratory in Timbuktu. Work has now begun on SS Engine.
Turn 317: You have discovered Ecology!
Turn 317: Gottfried Leibniz has been born in Walata!
Turn 318: NIKLAS-9C7A472A adopts <color=102,229,255,255>Environmentalism</color>!
Turn 318: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Space Elevator!
Turn 319: Awdaghost celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 319: NIKLAS-9C7A472A's Golden Age has ended...
Turn 319: Cyrus has completed Apollo Program!
Turn 320: Awdaghost celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 320: Zhang Heng has been born in Persepolis!
Turn 320: Cyrus has completed The Eiffel Tower!
Turn 321: Cyrus has completed Rock N Roll!
Turn 321: A Malinese revolt has taken place in Seattle!
Turn 322: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Docking Bay!
Turn 323: You have discovered Composites!
Turn 323: Awdaghost celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 323: Elizabeth has completed SS Casing!
Turn 324: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Stasis Chamber!
Turn 324: Awdaghost celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 326: Tekedda celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 326: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Life Support!
Turn 326: Elizabeth has completed SS Casing!
Turn 326: Elizabeth has completed SS Casing!
Turn 327: Tekedda celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 328: Thespis has been born in Warwick!
Turn 329: Elizabeth's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 329: Cyrus has completed SS Casing!
Turn 330: Timbuktu celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 330: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SDI!
Turn 330: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed The Sistine Chapel!
Turn 330: Elizabeth has completed SS Casing!
Turn 331: Timbuktu celebrates "We Love the President Day"!!!
Turn 331: NIKLAS-9C7A472A has completed SS Engine!
Turn 331: Bi Sheng has been born in Timbuktu!
Turn 331: Cyrus has completed SS Casing!

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: open border
America gives: open border -- Deal started in turn 77

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: open border
England gives: open border -- Deal started in turn 104

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: open border
Egypt gives: open border -- Deal started in turn 105

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: open border
Persia gives: open border -- Deal started in turn 119

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: dye
England gives: 6 gpt -- Deal started in turn 261

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: banana
Persia gives: music -- Deal started in turn 323 (1 turns remaining)

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: rice
Egypt gives: deer -- Deal started in turn 178

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: silk
America gives: 1 gpt -- Deal started in turn 283

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: gold
Persia gives: 2 gpt -- Deal started in turn 178

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: corn
America gives: 5 gpt -- Deal started in turn 261

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: spices
Egypt gives: 5 gpt -- Deal started in turn 261

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: dye
America gives: wine -- Deal started in turn 261

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: spices
Persia gives: 5 gpt -- Deal started in turn 261

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: coal
Egypt gives: 1 gpt -- Deal started in turn 283

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: silk
Egypt gives: fish -- Deal started in turn 221

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: sugar
Persia gives: drama -- Deal started in turn 283

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: dye
Egypt gives: crab -- Deal started in turn 270

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: gold
England gives: 3 gpt -- Deal started in turn 304

NIKLAS-9C7A472A (Mali) gives: gems
Egypt gives: 1 gpt -- Deal started in turn 309

Drogear · Dec 15, 2005

finnaly made it, actually figured it out by my "self"...

but as big ben wrote I moved all files to c:\ and renamed the file for easy access and run the syntax. I sure was years ago I messed with DOS! only remeber the very basic tasks, cd.. dir c:\ and such

Drogear · Dec 15, 2005

Notes on the eventlog.

It took 5 turns after the pyramids (turn 96) that I took Representation (turn 101) but this did not effect the game cuz had no specialist or unhappiness. Adopted slavery to but never used it. My idee to adpot represenation only when needed was to save upkeep money.

Got a early Alphabet (turn 93) to trade in mysticism -> researched priesthood turn 100 (start orcale build) -> Researched Code Of Law (turn 129) -> Civilservice in turn 134 (oracle finished 133)) I think this is importent for my early ind/sci monster of a capital.

After the completion of the apollo program (turn 294) I had a total of 2 golden ages to boost ind and sci. Taj Mahal (turn 297), and for the second golde age (turn 310) I only needed 2 great people. Bug?

Did alot of techsharing, to keep the Ai happy I giften some but for the most I traded for average of 10-20 goldpices! Might not sound as much but It ads upp giving me many extra turns on 90% science (loosing money like hell)

Also did alot of 1-2 gold per turn vs my rescources to get whatever edge I could get.

note on America: Not sure this is the best chooce anymore. Every game the refused to share techs to me even thou I gifted all to him and had good relations. This rarly happens with other civs. Perhaps Saladin is better?? due to the same "region" setup thing... In another game I had to adopt there stinking religion to keep them happy = losing money from loss of holycity

Yellowcactus · Dec 15, 2005

I'm trying 18 civs with Roman's in a central position. We're rushing Legions and going to war with everyone to maintain 100% science.
-yc

Ronald · Dec 16, 2005

Yellowcactus said:
I'm trying 18 civs with Roman's in a central position. We're rushing Legions and going to war with everyone to maintain 100% science.
-yc

How do you put 18 civs on a standard size map?

Yellowcactus · Dec 16, 2005

Go to

-Single Player
-Custom Games
-Where you see the 'closed' positions, turn them to 'Ai'.

You don't ever have to build a settler! Just march your Romans around sacking civs who don't have iron or copper. Don't worry about keeping cities, (Just keep the gold flowing) one of the other civs will re-build on the sacked city site in a few turns.

Smirk · Dec 16, 2005

Do the same on prince on a map like Great Plains and you can start that sacking immediately with your first warrior, after a while they will start to have warriors defending but you can maybe get 2 or 3.

syneris · Dec 16, 2005

Sofar my two completions have given me a 1682 and a 1660 victory with boths scores being right about 45k. The first game I didn't have Aluminum available to me because the only 2 souces were on the other side of the map in 2 different Civ's borders. Neither of them even had the option of trading it to me though i had gifted them the techs needed and built the mines/route for them. I got lucky and a source was discovered next to one of my cities. I like the Great Plains map, but it does have many down sides to it. It is a much smaller map even considering it only has a tiny corner of ocean. It doesn't have many of the resources such as Bananas or Ivory. I've uploaded my turn logs rather than posting them.

Tegga21 · Dec 16, 2005

Edited ---

CiverDan · Dec 16, 2005

Yellowcactus said:
I'm trying 18 civs with Roman's in a central position. We're rushing Legions and going to war with everyone to maintain 100% science.
-yc

That must be very hard to do..especially since there are no Legions in CIV.

Quantum7 · Dec 16, 2005

In my current game I completed the Apollo Program somewhere between 1350-1370 (it crashed a few turns before I completed it and I don't want to reload to see when exactly

). Should be 5-10 turns behind Drogear's run.

Notes of interest (sofar):
- I used the Great Plains map. You can get really crazy starts on it (I had 6 cows + 2 other food resources + 2 luxuries in a previous game for just my capital). It does have a limited amount of luxuries though and you can't seem to build the space elevator.
- I didn't have any forests around my capital, so I only chopped for my 2nd and 3rd city. I continued playing because it had 5 cows (which I wanted to try for settler pumping). In retrospect it probably made initial expansion to slow.
- The Great Plains map is pretty small. I have 18 cities, and almost 50% of the available land area is under my control. If I'd take out one of the AI's, I'd achieve domination victory

.
- I used Asoka; for the organized (courthouses) and spiritual (civic changes). Pretty effective, although I really miss Philosophical and Financial. Next try I'll definitely not pass up on Financial again. It's essential for maximizing out research potential.
- I started in the middle and founded my 2nd city 20 squares away (to the west). My 3rd city went 20 squares to the east

. (1st got stone; 2nd got marble). Financially this was hell; but it was pretty effective for getting Pyramids & the Oracle fast.

I think getting a finish date in the 1400-1450 AD is probably possible.

Zevus · Dec 17, 2005

Quantum7 said:
In my current game I completed the Apollo Program somewhere between 1350-1370 (it crashed a few turns before I completed it and I don't want to reload to see when exactly ). Should be 5-10 turns behind Drogear's run.

Notes of interest (sofar):
- I used the Great Plains map. You can get really crazy starts on it (I had 6 cows + 2 other food resources + 2 luxuries in a previous game for just my capital). It does have a limited amount of luxuries though and you can't seem to build the space elevator.
- I didn't have any forests around my capital, so I only chopped for my 2nd and 3rd city. I continued playing because it had 5 cows (which I wanted to try for settler pumping). In retrospect it probably made initial expansion to slow.
- The Great Plains map is pretty small. I have 18 cities, and almost 50% of the available land area is under my control. If I'd take out one of the AI's, I'd achieve domination victory .
- I used Asoka; for the organized (courthouses) and spiritual (civic changes). Pretty effective, although I really miss Philosophical and Financial. Next try I'll definitely not pass up on Financial again. It's essential for maximizing out research potential.
- I started in the middle and founded my 2nd city 20 squares away (to the west). My 3rd city went 20 squares to the east . (1st got stone; 2nd got marble). Financially this was hell; but it was pretty effective for getting Pyramids & the Oracle fast.

I think getting a finish date in the 1400-1450 AD is probably possible.

Yeah, I think someone quite possibly already has a sub-1500 AD finish that maybe just hasnt posted here. I've only finished 4 games, the 1520 AD one being the last.. havent had time to play since then.

Great Plains was good because it has that huge neverending river too. There's a lot of forests if you get a start on the far left or far right of the map. The best start would have to be right on the edge of one of those forested areas.

Tall German Joe · Dec 17, 2005

Arrrrghhh, that's crazy, I just came to brag about a 1530 A.D. victory and yet it looks like that might only place me 4th!!

I used Qin on Balanced; my capital wasn't really that great at all, (no flood plains, 1 cow, 1 wheat, 2 wine, 4 or 5 hills and a river right in the middle), but the area around it was really good (the entire northern part of the map was almost solid forests and rivers with lots of flood plains, it was ridiculous), so I continued on anyways. I think my capital only maxed out at round 300 research; I had more commerce in one of my other cities even despite bueracracy, so I built Oxford there.

I had 22 cities, 2 of which I culture-captured from the Mali and eventually gave back to them.. 2 or 3 different times. My secret to a quick win here was an accident; I got a really quick scout from a hut, and then proceded to pop a LOT of huts. In addition to my starting exploring warrior, I got: 3 warriors, fishing, and 3 gold huts. I also got 3 experience huts for 2 of my warriors (strength +2 on one and shock on the other) and my scout. So, what am I going to do with 4 warriors at 2000 B.C.? Well, I had found ghandi by that point, and I saw he had an irrigated rice square, so I figured I could send all of my warriors down to steal his worker. However, I did even better than that - his city he had only 2 warriors, a worker, and a settler, and so I managed to take his capital at 1400 B.C! I decided to keep it even though it was really far away, which may have hurt my early research. It really wasn't that great of a capital city (a crab, a rice, horses, and whole lot of grassland and jungle) but it pumped a whole bunch of workers for me so I'm not complaining.

I also did the oracle-bureaucracy rush, and before that managed to get the pyramids and stonehenge. I got economics before democracy, and actually used liberalism to get democracy. I think if I had maybe one or two flood plains at my capital I could have shaved off at least 100 years from my score, but, a guy can dream. >:]

The AI was almost totally useless for tech, except for very early and very late. I think part of the problem was that I tried to suppress them around mid-game so that I could build the Taj Mahal as late as possible. After that, I sold them techs every other turn for about 20 gold every time just so that I could keep myself at 90% tech. (I was losing around 20-30 gold a turn for a long while at 90% tech, and it took a long time to climb even that high). Besides the Taj, I had 2 more golden ages; 1 about 5 turns before the apollo program was done, and the other starting around 1435 A.D. I think. I finished the Apollo Program in 1390 A.D.

I should have probably gotten more cities earlier; I went down to about 40% research, and was worried I went too far, but I think I could have managed even more. The maintenance on those cities was a lot, sure, but each of them gave me 50-100 science, making them worth it. Oh well!!

stagnate · Dec 17, 2005

Gah. Gah.

Set up a few games with Ghandi, finally found one that I liked. After exploring I found that I was on a continent by myself, with both Marble and Stone, only one square apart from another continent (so early contact), and lots of rivers, so maybe 6 cities with rivers running right through the middle.

But I forgot to disable barbarians (woulda been really handy to not have any defenders for awhile), and then I didn't build enough warriors (One per city) and barbs look like they are going to take out 2 workers and the city. So much for a run, and I think that was the perfect map for it.

Drogear · Dec 17, 2005

Im not sure the greati plains are sutable for the best maps.

The IMO best startposition in is in the west at those maps where you want a startposition with 1-2 gold, 3-4 floodplains and 2-4 cows. This is importent that the capital an evolve to e super city after civilservice.

But starting in the far west gives you to little or no forrest to choprush the 15-20 cities you´ll need, thus crippling the score.

Starting In the east provides with loots of forest but no great startpositions

I have genearetd ALOT of greatplains maps and it seems VERY hard to attain the vital stone resoruce, but still not impossible, did it around 5 times with a decent startup. But still the map IMO isnt perfect for a early spacerace. But for an early conquest game it is...

Taelis · Dec 17, 2005

Tall German Joe said:
Arrrrghhh, that's crazy, I just came to brag about a 1530 A.D. victory and yet it looks like that might only place me 4th!!

I feel your pain, man! I just finished a 1510 launch - one turn off the (posted) leader. :mad:

Gawds, that hurt.

I used Qin as well, on a balanced map with lots of flood plains. My tech order was quite different from Drogear though, proving that there are several good paths. I didn't build The Pyramids or go for bureaucracy, for example.

But I didn't feel particularly lucky, there were a lot of floodplains around my capital and nearby, but ZERO hills/cows/horses and my first three cities (the commerce leaders) didn't even have libraries until democracy, and I only had one happiness resource before calendar. And I finished with just 16 cities, so with a better start and an ideal tech order, I too would wager a 1400 launch is possible!

Shillen · Dec 17, 2005

How long does it take you guys to play these games? Mine took like 8 hours each. I don't think I'm up for spending another 8 hours to play another game.

Quantum7 · Dec 17, 2005

Shillen said:
How long does it take you guys to play these games? Mine took like 8 hours each. I don't think I'm up for spending another 8 hours to play another game.

Probably more than 8 hours. I'll only play one if I really believe it will do well. Only really played one sofar (and the diplomatic one, duh)

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So whatcha all doing for BG1

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