So, where are those WMDs in Iraq?

[zulu9812]

Here in Britian, there's a big fuss about whether or not the government 'sexed up' the threat from Saddam Hussein in order to justify the war. What ever the technicalities that lying toe-rags like Geoff Hoon try to pawn off, obviously the threat was exaggerated because no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons have been found. Despite taking 15,000 troops and countless senior government officials prisoner, not one of them has been able to say where these weapons are.

P.S. How was it that the Americans were able to inflict thousands of Iraqi casualities, with only minimal friendly fatalities, without using weapons of mass destruction?

These are important questions and one must not allow those responsible to think that time will simply make us forget them.

 

[Immortal]

judging by the majority of posts here, you're preaching to the choir here zulu.

 

[Peri]

Indeed. You will find few who will argue with you. However beware of the few who will. This has the potential to be most flamesome. You might want to tone down the language to prevent the mods closing this thread.

 

[Mr Black]

"These are important questions and one must not allow those responsible to think that time will simply make us forget them."

Well, where I live, time HAS made us forget these questions.

I hardly hear about the lack of WMD's anymore.

The big news, is the never-ending body count that keeps rising. Even after Bush, put on his Halloween pilot costume and declared all hostilities over.

P.S. I'm not a part of your choir.

 

[G-Man]

There's no doubt an investiagation needs to be held regarding the pre war information about WMDs. But I wouldn't be so sure that these WMDs doesn't exist as many people think.

 

[Flak]

And what should be the result of this investigation ? A harsh slap on the wrist?

 

[Shadylookin]

Originally posted by G-Man
There's no doubt an investiagation needs to be held regarding the pre war information about WMDs. But I wouldn't be so sure that these WMDs doesn't exist as many people think.

yes exactly what we need more investigations, just like the investigations that Bush got to get us to war The reason this happend can be easily explained, Bush wanted to go to war so he only have us reasons to go to war and not show us the other side. Simple salesmanship.

Just because we haven't found them doesn' t mean they aren't there. He could have sold them off, hidden them very good, gave them to another country or terrorist organization, or he could have destroyed them. Iraq was trying to make nuclear weapons at one time( i believe the israelis took care of that though, and the UN destroyed a place also i believe). If nothing else i'll chalk it up as a pre-emptive.

 

[Flak]

Originally posted by Shadylookin
The reason this happend can be easily explained, Bush wanted to go to war so he only have us reasons to go to war and not show us the other side.

What other side? You mean political motivations?

Originally posted by Shadylookin

Just because we haven't found them doesn' t mean they aren't there. He could have sold them off, hidden them very good, gave them to another country or terrorist organization, or he could have legitamatly destroyed them. Iraq was trying to make nuclear weapons at one time( i believe the israelis took care of that though, and the UN destroyed a place also i believe). If nothing else i'll chalk it up as a pre-emptive.

True. Sometimes, things aren't as they seem. But most of the time, they are. All investigations, even before the war seem to point to the fact that the weapons were handled exactly as the UN ordered.

I believe it was Saddam's blatant ignorance of the situation with the U.S. that caused to him even leave open the slightest hint that any weapons actually existed, even though they apparently do not. If Saddam had had a more realistic assessment of the situation, maybe he would have swallowed his pride and admitted that indeed Iraq had no more WMDs. A lot of people who aren't alive now, on both sides, would be. And likely, the situation in the middle east would perhaps be far more stable than now, if that's possible.

 

[Shadylookin]

Originally posted by Flak


What other side? You mean political motivations?




True. Sometimes, things aren't as they seem. But most of the time, they are. All investigations, even before the war seem to point to the fact that the weapons were handled exactly as the UN ordered.

I believe it was Saddam's blatant ignorance of the situation with the U.S. that caused to him even leave open the slightest hint that any weapons actually existed, even though they apparently do not. If Saddam had had a more realistic assessment of the situation, maybe he would have swallowed his pride and admitted that indeed Iraq had no more WMDs. A lot of people who aren't alive now, on both sides, would be. And likely, the situation in the middle east would perhaps be far more stable than now, if that's possible.

the other side of going to war. Bush never said anything like it could cause many casualties, would be long and draged out, could take many years to get things stable over there ect ect ect.

 

[Zeekater]

they have weapons we can't see!

i also remember seeing some proof with satellite images showing trucks and stuff. Maybe it was just 'proof'

there were some things they found though, but it were small doses, probably insecticides or something.

 

[sysyphus]

If I might take this onto a slight tangent, what do our British friends here think will become of Phony Blair's career due to the Mr. Kelly's "resignation"?

 

[wilbill]

I've become increasingly puzzled about this, too. I never thought the WMD issue was enough to start a war over, but also never really doubted Saddam had them. It's hard to imagine that he's managed to hide not only the weapons, but any evidence of their existence so well that they haven't been found in 5 months of serious searching. The alternative, though - that he disposed of them long ago but didn't offer evidence to the UN, thus letting Bush have another excuse for going to war - is a little hard to believe, too. I haven't heard or read an explanation that I really find believable.

Originally posted by zulu9812
P.S. How was it that the Americans were able to inflict thousands of Iraqi casualities, with only minimal friendly fatalities, without using weapons of mass destruction?

The same way they did it in "Gulf War I" - superior conventional weapons, superior tactics, better trained army, better motivated army, horrible defensive strategy on the Iraqui's part.

 

[Double Barrel]

Give me a couple of years...hell, give me a year...to hide something in the desert of Iraq. Deserts that are in the thousands of square miles, BTW. I betcha' I could do a pretty damn good job of hiding those things from you.

And the U.S. government overestimated the desire of the Iraqi people to help. Sure, they hated Sadam, but they hate the West just as much. Is is any wonder that we are not getting any information about the possible locations of WMD?

In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if his WMD were sent to Syria or Iran, considering he had a heck-uva' lot of time prior to the invasion to do something with them.

Like the rest of you, I honestly have no idea if Iraq did or did not have WMD. However, there are many possible answers to this current question, and framing it with your own emotional desire with regards to the outcome of that question only serves to blind you from the many potential answers.

 

[Immortal]

I am upset over the WMD claim which is, as of now unsubstantiated. This is two-fold: one is was used as a major pretext to war, and secondly: because there are so many reasons far better then WMD to have attacked th Hussein regeime.

 

[stalin006]

Originally posted by Double Barrel


In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if his WMD were sent to Syria or Iran, considering he had a heck-uva' lot of time prior to the invasion to do something with them.

iraq sent their WMD to iran??! thats imposible, is just like north korea sending their WMD to japan

 

[CurtSibling]

"So, where are those WMDs in Iraq?"

In an unmarked CIA transport plane or boat, waiting to flown out to Iraq and planted!

 

[Noldodan]

"Where are the WMD's in Iraq?" Beats me. We know that they were there, and have no reason to believe that they were destroyed, so there are two possibilities. 1) He moved them to another country. 2) They're still there, just hidden really well. I think number two is the more likely one.

 

[Archer 007]

Does anyone find it funny that the reports were "sexed up".
Sounds like an odd choice of words to me.

 

[Immortal]

would you rather the reports be molested?

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Looks to me like it was the nation itself that ended up getting raped.