Mike C
Centurion
Ya, I noticed that too. But honestly, they have a lot more important things to fix than sound effects.
So where IS the freakin' patch!?!?
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Ya, I noticed that too. But honestly, they have a lot more important things to fix than sound effects.
What irks me is that most of the most critical issue are the "whoops, somebody pressed the wrong button" kinda ****ups, like with broken airsuperiority and suchforth... surely they HAD it working originally, some trigger is broken, you fix it easy. There are hardly any of the more difficult hardware issues, at least not that people are screaming about.
Oh well, CIV3 goes back on the shelf until the patch comes back out and I have another go at Battlezone.
Oh well, CIV3 goes back on the shelf until the patch comes back out and I have another go at Battlezone.
Gholam
Chieftain
I'd agree, but it's a 5-minute fix at most, just replace whatever sound file mech infantry is using with a machine gun firing sound file (or a vulcan one), likely located in any sound library, and the fix is done...
WarandPeace
Warlord
It's all about the reputation, whether you're buying a car or a game. You'd take one good look at a company's track record and know if you're buying or leaving.
Honda, VW, both are good, quality car companies. Same as Blizzard, and Sid Meier, in the respect that they lead their own industry in terms of original and successful products.
Now this thing happens, about the bugs and the incompetence on the side of Sid, what will this do for his company, his reputation?
Would you guys still have the same drive of desire, which took many of you to buy Civ3, for the next installment of Civilization? Another way to look at it: would there be this many fans for Civ3 if there had never been a Civ2? I doubt it. The reputation of a company, or a person means everything. Because it reflects the stuff that they are capable of doing.
my 2 pennies
Honda, VW, both are good, quality car companies. Same as Blizzard, and Sid Meier, in the respect that they lead their own industry in terms of original and successful products.
Now this thing happens, about the bugs and the incompetence on the side of Sid, what will this do for his company, his reputation?
Would you guys still have the same drive of desire, which took many of you to buy Civ3, for the next installment of Civilization? Another way to look at it: would there be this many fans for Civ3 if there had never been a Civ2? I doubt it. The reputation of a company, or a person means everything. Because it reflects the stuff that they are capable of doing.
my 2 pennies
Mike C
Centurion
Sid has certainly dropped a few notches on my respect list.
Blizzard has always been number 1. The products they release are as close to bug free as you can get. And in the few cases they aren't totally bug free, they offer patch after patch within weeks of release. Not like what is happening now with Civ 3 and Firaxis shafting everyone.
This is comming from a "hall of fame" guy who is pompous enough to put his idiotic video of his induction into a game, slaps it into a tin box and then charges another 25 bucks for it. Good thing I just got the regular edition.
I guess that hall of fame thing has gotten to this head and bloated it. Geez Sid, it must be awful hard fitting through doors with that bloated head of yours. Maybe thats why you can't go in to work and tell your guys to get working on bug fixes. Undoubtedly, all the positive reviews might as well have been written by people who lick Sid's nuts and that has probably bloated his head to Jupiter-sized levels. Careful Sid, pumping your head full of more hot air and it might just explode on you.
Blizzard has always been number 1. The products they release are as close to bug free as you can get. And in the few cases they aren't totally bug free, they offer patch after patch within weeks of release. Not like what is happening now with Civ 3 and Firaxis shafting everyone.
This is comming from a "hall of fame" guy who is pompous enough to put his idiotic video of his induction into a game, slaps it into a tin box and then charges another 25 bucks for it. Good thing I just got the regular edition.
I guess that hall of fame thing has gotten to this head and bloated it. Geez Sid, it must be awful hard fitting through doors with that bloated head of yours. Maybe thats why you can't go in to work and tell your guys to get working on bug fixes. Undoubtedly, all the positive reviews might as well have been written by people who lick Sid's nuts and that has probably bloated his head to Jupiter-sized levels. Careful Sid, pumping your head full of more hot air and it might just explode on you.
Setsuna
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Now now, Mike. There's a couple of things you have to remember.
1. Infogrames gave Firaxis a deadline, no if's, and's, or but's.
2. Blizzard has an agreement with their publisher (Cendant) that they get to work as long as they need to. They're even allowed to completely nix games that they've invested heavily in.
That said, I still think the situation is a bummer. But I save my resentment for Infogrames (Who seems to be doing very well financially as of late, humph!)
1. Infogrames gave Firaxis a deadline, no if's, and's, or but's.
2. Blizzard has an agreement with their publisher (Cendant) that they get to work as long as they need to. They're even allowed to completely nix games that they've invested heavily in.
That said, I still think the situation is a bummer. But I save my resentment for Infogrames (Who seems to be doing very well financially as of late, humph!)
slothman
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I'm hoping that they will fix the "cities suddenly turn violent" bug. Or the bug that a city may go to disorder next turn without you knowning (unless you look though each city manually) and lose production, taxes, and science in that city. I also noticed that the "goto city" command has no exit; escape nor an 'x' is present. Once you press ctrl-G, or whatever it is. That particular unit must goto some city which may wast a turn.
Mike C
Centurion
I would like to see a source for that piece of information. If Infogrames did set a deadline and pushed Civ 3 out the door, then you get bet your ass I'll be spamming their email by the end of the day.
Ok. I havent been big on the bashing, but ... BATTERS UP!
This is POOOOOOR! A patch should have been released two weeks ago. That is poor.
As far as bugz go... Most of what I have encountered isnt bugz (except for the gold), most is logic errors that are from lack of testing.
ironfang
This is POOOOOOR! A patch should have been released two weeks ago. That is poor.
As far as bugz go... Most of what I have encountered isnt bugz (except for the gold), most is logic errors that are from lack of testing.
ironfang
Trancas
Chieftain
FIRAXIS had already ONE month to come up with a patch. Remember, the game was released in US in the 30 October. That means Firaxis delivered the product at least two weeks before, for mass production.
Therefore, today being the 22 November, one can say FIRAXIS had well over one month to work on a patch.
What have they been doing?
Trancas
Therefore, today being the 22 November, one can say FIRAXIS had well over one month to work on a patch.
What have they been doing?
Trancas
FrosTi
Indépendantiste Québécois
I think we should wait the time it needs... Firaxis must not give a patch that adds more problems than the original game... In StarCraft, for example, there have been a very limited number of patches, but each patch has been tested intensely and each patch had less bugs than its previous version...
Mike C
Centurion
StarCraft didn't have units which didn't work or building improvements that didn't work.
The game worked AS ADVERTISED out of the box.
Not so with Civ 3. Even if we ignore the conceptual stuff, the Airsuperiority bug still exists, the costal fortress bug still exist, and the SAM bug still exists. Is it really that much to ask that a patch be released ASAP to make the game run as ADVERTISED?
Setsuna
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http://apolyton.net/misc/interviews/civ3_1jeffmorris.shtml
Specific text:
Apolyton: Where is the development at this current stage? Is there a release date yet?
Jeff Morris: We're on our third alpha version at the time of this writing. Civ III should hit beta within 2-3 weeks. There is an internal deadline, but when the game will hit shelves hasn't been specifically pinned.
Time to fire up Outlook Express.
Craterus22
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Hey DuckofFlandurs,
In other words, your calling me a newbie - right?
A man with 500 posts should know how to quote correctly...
Here is my original line:
I was reacting to his original post:
The tendency of people on this board to immediately dismiss someones post because they are "new" and have a low number of posts is kind of ridiculous and the reason why I put the notation in my post. I didn't spend alot of time on the post and I couldn't re-edit because the board crashed as soon as I posted.
Its kind of funny also because I didn't see his last post (the one right before mine) and he showed that he was clearly not a newbie.
I generally react to people who post the "have patience... the [insert game manufacturer] is great" with the idea that they are fanboys who are blinded by thier love of the game designer. I was clearly wrong in this case and would have re-edited if the board hadn't crashed.
In other words, your calling me a newbie - right?
A man with 500 posts should know how to quote correctly...
Here is my original line:
I was reacting to his original post:
The tendency of people on this board to immediately dismiss someones post because they are "new" and have a low number of posts is kind of ridiculous and the reason why I put the notation in my post. I didn't spend alot of time on the post and I couldn't re-edit because the board crashed as soon as I posted.
Its kind of funny also because I didn't see his last post (the one right before mine) and he showed that he was clearly not a newbie.
I generally react to people who post the "have patience... the [insert game manufacturer] is great" with the idea that they are fanboys who are blinded by thier love of the game designer. I was clearly wrong in this case and would have re-edited if the board hadn't crashed.
I think I can wait a while as long as I know it is coming that they will fix things that really do need to be fixed. I don't like it when a group of fanboys mentality people don't want there to be positive change when there is alot of people saying there is. They keep insisting that everything should be left the way it is. If I were a fanboy, I would throughly think about what is happening instead of insisting it needs to remain as it is. Change IS uncomfortable, but it can be for the better.
Anyways please visit my thread called "List ALL bugs/suggestions here. This will be mailed to Firaxis" and tell them what you would like to see in an upcoming patch.
I'd also wish Firaxis would make a list of what they actually fixed or added into the game.
Anyways please visit my thread called "List ALL bugs/suggestions here. This will be mailed to Firaxis" and tell them what you would like to see in an upcoming patch.
I'd also wish Firaxis would make a list of what they actually fixed or added into the game.
WarandPeace
Warlord
Well, I think it's fairly obvious to say that they've done nothing to test the game before shipping. And even now, when the problem in its enormity is standing in front of them, they simply reply with silence and arrogance.
Ok, I do agree that they need to fix the errors on the game as fast as they can. But if they would have put back the date the game was to be put out to fix these things, you guys would have yelled just as much if not more. So just get over it
Craterus22
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Clash
I don't think a significant number of people have been clamoring for what would have been if they released it later.
Also - the testing that Warand Peace may have been referring to is the fact that some of the problems are so obvious that they should have been caught during normal testing that occurred before release without additional time added. And even if they caught the errors days after the cd was in the mail, there should have been some kind of patch available at this point.
Its really all about patch strategy at this point. Do we keep the customers waiting until "everything" is fixed or do we create multiple patches - and release a first patch that fixes the easy-majors first.
I don't think a significant number of people have been clamoring for what would have been if they released it later.
Also - the testing that Warand Peace may have been referring to is the fact that some of the problems are so obvious that they should have been caught during normal testing that occurred before release without additional time added. And even if they caught the errors days after the cd was in the mail, there should have been some kind of patch available at this point.
Its really all about patch strategy at this point. Do we keep the customers waiting until "everything" is fixed or do we create multiple patches - and release a first patch that fixes the easy-majors first.
Mike C
Centurion
WRONG. It is fanboys like yourself who would have whined and complained more if Civ got pushed back because of bugs. You are just the typical fanboy who pleads "who cares, I want civ NOW NOW NOW. Its already perfect the way it is".
The REST of us would have waited patiently for the game to come out.
Now go home fanboy, and remember to kneel and bow 3 times in front of your Sid shrine and then seat yourself to watch that idiotic videotape of Sid waxing his ego.
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