Spoiler - Gilligan and the castaways (GOTM23)

[cliff]

I like this map! In fact the way I play isn't much different from "normal" maps. Just a few more triremes, that's all.

One advantage with the capital on a size 2 island is that caravan deliveries always get the different continents bonus. I have delivered some camels with good payoffs early in this game.

I found a few more small islands with rough terrain before finding the american continent. In fact, I landed a settler on a forrest square on the top corner of that continent and started chopping down the trees preparing for a new city with access to whales. Only later did I discover that Washington was only 2 squares away but I went ahead anyway and built the city there. The Americans surprisingly suggested an alliance later on and I gladly accepted. I gave them the republic also so that trade bonuses would be higher.

I have played until 1AD and I think I am doing just fine. I have 13 cities with the capital being size 12, 28 techs and three wonders, working on Shakespeare's theatre which will be finished within 2 turns. After that I will build sewers in Athens and grow to size 20+.

I have started to bother the other civs as well. I managed to subvert an Aztec city for only 48g!!! Just as cheap as a barbarian city. I wonder why?

 

[Jayne]

Here's the first installment of my log. It's the first one I've done. I decided to play an OCC. Hope you find it interesting and feel free to tell me where I'm going wrong!!!

4000bc-pop hut = 25g. Found Jaynia. Start phal. Start Alph.
3950bc-mine other island square to forest for extra shield
3850bc-disc alph, start map
3750bc-phal comp. start temple
3400bc-disc map, start CoL
3300bc-temp comp, start trireme
3000bc-trireme comp, send with phal along pole. start warr
2850bc-warr comp, start COLOSSUS. disc CoL, start monarchy
2750bc-hut=barb. phal wins
2600bc-hut=writing
2500bc-Romans disc. Receptive. Exch maps for masonry. refuse CoL. peace
1900bc-Thucydides Happiest civs: 6.Greeks, 7.Romans
1800bc-disc Monarchy. Oedo year=1650bc. start curr
1700bc-REVOLUTION
1300bc-COLOSSUS built, start lib
1050bc-Americans disc. Icy. Gift monarchy. Peace. Exch maps for lit, CB for pott, HBR for WC
925bc-lib comp, start GREAT LIBRARY
825bc-hut=IW
750bc-Pliny Advance civs: 1.Greeks (start reconsidering GL!), 2.Americans, 4.Romans
700bc-disc curr, start myst
675bc-hut=NON chariot
525bc-hut=barbs. Chariot beats 1 horse and loses to second
500bc-civ disorder. Hire Elv. Disc French. Neutral. Exch lit for seaf. Refuse monarchy. Peace
375bc-hut=wheel
325bc-hut=republic
175bc-hut=barbs. phal lost. boat heads home
100bc-ROMANS destroyed by SIOUX

1ad-#1 city (#5 is barb!). prod 6, sci 10, tax 3, lux 2, food 12, pop 150,000, techs 27

disc myst, start trade

100ad-elv fired
120-GREAT LIBRARY built, start arch
160-civ dis & elv
240-comp arch, start harb. warr defends other tile. sett starts fortress. Bede wealthy civs: 3.French 5.Americans 6.Greeks
320-Trireme returns, sack elv
360-build harb, start aqua
460-Americans boast trade
520-disc trade, start maths
560-aqua built, start van
580-civ dis & elv
640-French boast phil & bank. American boast BB
660-phil from GL (at last!!)
700-Bead van for Boston. start new van. hire elv. spot Rome now barb!
740-Aqua sold for 80g - not paying attention! (but where was the usual warning?)
760-American exch phil for BB. refuse seaf. Alliance. Gift=100g. Maths from GL, start astro
840-Beads delivered to Boston. 304g + 4g/turn. Sack elv
860-Build silver van for Boston. Start van. Hire elv. Dsic astro, start uni
960-Sack elv. Oil van built (no demand). Start COPERNICUS
980-Oil van adds to Wonder

1000ad-#1 city, 8 prod, 16 sci, 5 tax, 2 lux, 18 food, pop 280,000, tech 35

 

[Narz]

I'm just going to relax and enjoy this one. The last two GOTM's I was just building cities like mad, trying to perfectly micromanage and max everything out, if I had finished I may have gotten a great score but I didn't really enjoy myself so much thats probably why I didn't finish. This game I'm just going to take it easy and enjoy!

4000BC : Poped the hut, 50 gold

..... developed mapmaking (of course) and built some cities on the islands nearby

2250BC : Monarchy

2200BC : Zulus destroyed by barbarians

2100BC : Meet Americans, they declare war
... lost my horseman to a barbarian chariot

1450BC : First settlers destroied by barbarians!

1000BC : Built Hanging Gardens!

875BC : Six barbs from a hut! Damb barbs!

So far four causalities to barbarians, a settler, a phalanx and two horsemen

775BC : Silk caravan from Cornith arrives in Washington, 96 gold (only 1 trade though)

750BC : French meet me, offer treaty, I decline and demand tribute, they declare war What really annoys me though is they blocked my horseman from getting at the barbarian leader two squares away!

675BC : Narcity builds Colosus

400BC : Greeks discover Philosophy, I chose Monothesism as my free wonder

375BC : Romans build Pryramids, I was hoping the Americans would build it and I could capture it but alas, thats what I get for being greedy, should've built it myself instead of Collosus, oh well.

325BC : Cornith build Macro Polo's Embassy

300BC : Trading party, extracted maps with gifts, got everyone angry by demanding tribute.

225BC : Govt. changed to Republic (shoot, no one's giving me tribute anyway!)

Taking a break for now, I'll keep you updated!

- Narz

 

[Narz]

1AD statistics

Population : 890,000
Techs : 21
Cities : 15
Wonders : 3 (H.G., Collosus, M.P.E.)

100AD : Population hits a million

140AD : Damn Aztecs build C's Observation

200AD : Govt overthrown, Greeks break treaty with Americans, capture Washington & the Great Wall.

280AD : Lost a crusaders to an unfortified Catapult

Romans and Sioux sign a "secret" alliance against the Greeks!

300AD : Greeks capture Roman city of Veii & the Pryramids [dance]

400AD : Greeks capture French city of Marseilles

440AD : Narcity builds Mike's Chapel

480AD : Greeks capture Atlanta, American Civ destroied by Greeks! :slay:

time to take another break...

- Narz

 

[cliff]

I have started to write a more detailed log and here is the first part:

4000 Hut gives knowledge of Alphabet
4000 Athens founded
3450 Mapmaking discovered
3250 First Trireme built, new deserted island found
2900 Code of Laws discovered
2900 Sparta founded on worthless island
2550 Thermopylae founded on somewhat larger useless island to the east
2350 Monarchy discovered
2250 Alexander proclaimed King
2050 Corinth founded (near Thermopylae)
1850 Currency discovered
1850 New land found to the south. Start to irrigate forrest square in preparation for new city
1700 Found Washington two squares away from this settler.
1700 Americans demand Monarchy for peace and I give it to them
1550 Delphi founded (two squares from Washington)
1450 Writing discovered
1000 Trade discovered
1000 Americans suggest an alliance and I accept
0950 New cities founded on American continent
0850 Hut gives knowledge of Literacy
0800 Delphi builds Marco Polo's Embassy
0800 Trade techs and share maps with some ai players
0750 The Republic discovered
0750 Get Mysticism from Zulus
0700 First trade route established, Athes - Washington. Revenue 128g
0625 Polytheism discovered
0575 Seafaring + 50g gift from our allies the Americans
0550 Another 50g from our generous allies
0550 Caravan from Athens arrives in New York, Revenue 201g
0525 Golden age of philosophy in Athens, Medicine discovered
0525 Medicine traded for the wheel with Sioux. Give techs to Sioux. Power rating drop to Mighty
0500 Barbarian archer bribed
0450 Paris builds Pyramids
0450 Monotheism discovered
0425 Form Republic
0425 Mycenae founded, Banking from Americans, Legion found in a hut
0400 Herakleia founded, Masonry from America
0375 Advanced Tribe Ephesos (messes up 4 specials pattern but I keep it anyway)
0375 Got Construction from our eternal allies, the Americans
0350 Start to colonize island to the east close to the Romans
0350 Athens builds Hanging Gardens
0350 50g gift from our allies
0200 Camel delivery gives 336g
0175 Athens builds Colossus
0150 Engineering discovered
0100 Get Mathematics from Aztecs
0050 Caravan Athens - New York gives 384g
0050 Sanitation discovered
0050 Hut - Astronomy
0001 Aztec city Texcoco subverted for only 48g
0001 Navigation discovered

My empire in 1AD
----------------------
13 cities - 1,300,000 people

Units: 3 Settlers, 10 military units, 5 boats, 2 diplomats, 5 caravans

28 techs, science: 146b, discoveries 5 turns.

Wonders: Hanging Gardens, Colossus, Marco Polo's Embassy

Government: Republic, Treasury: 292g

 

[cliff]

And from 1AD to 1000AD:

020 Ulundi (Zulu) builds Great Library
040 Athens builds Shakespeare's Theatre
060 Get Invention from Americans
100 University discovered
260 Chemistry discovered and lots of caravans rushed for wonders
280 Romans land near Thessalonika. We exchange techs and I get Bridge Building and Iron Working
280 Insist that they withdraw, they declare war
280 Roman Trireme + Legion bribed
300 Corinth builds Michelangelo's Chapel
320 Tenochtitlan builds Great Wall
320 Gold caravan from Athens arrives in Philadelphia. Revenue 537g
340 Physics discovered
360 Athens builds Copernicus' Observatory
400 Democracy from Americans
400 Sioux have nearly completed Leo's Workshop
420 Corinth builds Leonardo's Workshop, Sioux switch to KRC
440 Little Bighorn builds King Richard's Crusade
480 Corinth builds Magellan's Expedition, Romans switch to Lighthouse
500 Rome builds Lighthouse
520 Magnetism discovered
520 Revolution, 100g tribute from Zulus
520 Demand tribute from French, they declare war
520 French city Rheims bribed
540 Democracy established, Peace with French
560 Gunpowder discovered, Ship chain to Sioux land complete
580 Explosives discovered
580 Gold caravan from Athens arrives in Cedar Creek, Revenue 624g
600 Theory of Gravity discovered
640 Metallurgy discovered
660 New York builds Statue of Liberty
660 Steam Engine discovered
660 Settle islands to the south of the American continent
720 Phocaea destroyed by barbarians, Industrialization discovered
740 Economics discovered, Get Conscription + 50g from our allies the Americans
780 The Corporation discovered
800 Electricity discovered
800 Athens builds Isaac Newton's College
800 75g + Feudalism from Americans
840 Theology discovered
860 Steel discovered
880 Refining discovered, 200g gift from our allies
900 Electronics discovered, 150g gift
920 Combustion discovered, Communism + 150g from Americans
940 Chivalry discovered, traded Combustion for Atomic Theory with Sioux
960 Leadership discovered, 150g gift
980 Tactics discovered, 150g gift
1000 Machine Tools, 100g gift (They are very generous those Americans)

1000AD Statistics
----------------------
30 cities - 7,390,000 people

Units: 11 Engineers, 12 Riflemen, 13 Cavalry, 13 Transport, 12 Diplomat, 18 Freight

60 techs, income: 0g, cost: 28g, science: 756b, discoveries: 3 turns, with freight deliveries discoveries every turn.

Wonders: HG, Colossus, MPE, MC, Copernicus, Magellan, Shakespeare, Leo, Newton

Government: Democracy, Treasury: 1779g

----------------------

I still haven't found the right balance between engineers + city development and trade + science. I only have 11 Engineers in 1000AD while having no less than 60 techs. I would have preferred 50 Engineers and 50 techs, at least for GOTM score purposes. Next game I will try to focus more on developing my cities after 1AD! This game I will launch into space again. I will be able to do so before 1500AD.

 

[Jayne]

Part 2:

1000ad-silver van arrives in Boston, 368g + 4g/turn
1020ad-Sioux change wonder building to COPs
Medicine from GL
Barbs spotted near island
1040ad-Sioux nearly completed COPs
Disband sett + 792g to RB
1060ad-build COPERNICUS, start aquaduct
1080ad-civ dis, hire elv. disc uni, start TofG
1180-St. Augustine Advanced civs: 1.Greek 2.French 3.American
1260-build aquaduct, start van
1340-poly from GL
1380-oil van (no demand), TofG disc, start eng. Start ISSAC's. Van contributes
1550-Sioux boat spotted - attacks barb trireme & 4 units outside city!
1590-eng from GL, strat inv
1600-disc inv, start demo
1620-request audience with americans. Share maps. Gift=100g
1650-econ from GL
1730-nav from GL. French boast sanitation. civ dis, hire elv

1750ad-#1 city, 8 prod, 44 sci, 7 tax, 6 lux, 18 food, pop 450,000, tech 19

1752-St. Augustine Happy civs:3.American, 4.French, 6.Greek
1758-disc demo, start gunpowder. oedo=1764
1762-REVOLUTION! sack 1 elv
1766-ISSAC's built. start dip
1768-mono from GL
1774-build dip (swap with warr & sack 1 elv). start van
1780-chem from GL
1786-oil van (no demand) start cathedral. Send van to sioux, hire 2 elv
1788-disc gunp. start phys
1800-feud from GL
1804-disc icy sioux. Gift gunp, peace. they refuse knowledge exch
1814-boat returns, sack 2 elv
1816-Sioux boast metal. Phys and metal from GL. start conscr
1818-request audience with sioux. gift demo. they refuse map exch
oil van delivered to Cedar Creek 146g + 5g/turn. disc conscr, start steam eng
1828-chiv from GL. cath built, start rifle and sack elv
1838-st.eng from GL, start RR
1842-disc RR, start atom theory
1844-rifle built, start rifle, disband warr
1846-WLT PM
1850-Bede's Wealthy civs: 2.sioux, 3.americans, 4.french, 6.greeks.
Pop12 stop celebrating
1851-WLT PM cancelled
1852-Rifle built, start sewer, disband archer
1854-explosives and theo from GL
1856-disc at.theory, start leadership
1861-indust from GL
1866-disc leader, start corp
1868-build sewer, start uni. incr lux to celebrate
1869-WLT PM
1870-sioux boast magnet
1873-celebrating to end, decr lux
1874-sioux boast electricity! GL cancelled!
disc corp, start refining
1875-request audience with sioux. exch corp for elec, TofG for magnet. refuse gifting at.theory. share maps
1882-refining disc, start tactics
1888-sioux boast fridge
1890-tactics disc, start electronics
1891-request audience with americans. exhc refining for electronics, electricity for communism. gift=50g. civ dis, hire elv. start combust
1893-sioux boast steel
1898-uni built, start freight
1899-combust disc, start steel

1900ad-#1 city, prod 8, sci 252, tax 14, lux 16, food 36, pop 1,360,000, tech 7

 

[ElephantU]

Just started during the "snow day":

GOTM23
Greeks (#6-Org)
2 Settlers (unsupported one to work with, but not much to work ON...)
Emperor (2 content)
Raging Hordes (watch those Barbs!)
50x80 map

CIVS:
Romans (#1-Whi) - E C
Aztecs (#4-Yel) - P C

free techs: CER/HOR/BRO

Tech Path Options:
IsleOCC:Alp/MAP/CoL/MON/WRI/MYS/Cur/TRA/Lit/REP/Phi/Pot/SEA/Ban/MED
(standard Mon-Tra-Rep modified for early ships,Myst,Sea,Shakes)
fastMed:Alp/MAP/CoL/MON/WRI/MYS/Cur/TRA/Lit/REP/Phi/MED/Pot/SEA/Ban
(faster MED for Shakes, tradeoff Sea for Harbor)
TradeSe:Alp/MAP/CoL/MON/WRI/MYS/Cur/TRA/Pot/SEA/Lit/REP/Phi/Ban/MED
(faster Sea, put off Rep)
fastSea:Alp/MAP/CoL/MON/WRI/MYS/Pot/SEA/Cur/TRA/Lit/REP/Phi/Ban/MED
even faster Sea...)
Direct2Rep?
RepTrad:Alp/MAP/WRI/CoL/Lit/REP/Cur/TRA/MYS/Phi/Ban/MED/Pot/SEA
(not bad)
1stPhil:Alp/MAP/WRI/CoL/Lit/REP/MYS/Phi/Cur/TRA/Ban/Pot/SEA/Mas/MED
(faster Philosophy, slower Med/Shakes)

Decision1: Shoot for Monarchy rather than early Republic, because of earlier tech and three free supported units. Do Rep after infrastructure in place, esp Marketplace and Harbor.

Decision2: Risk of Advanced Tribe or Barb if hut popped? Samson at Apolyton says no as long as I have a NONE settler. So pop the hut before founding.

Analysis: The two Whales will give a good start for first two citizens, leading to second citizen in 10 turns and third on turn 25. Probably wont get to Monarchy with help from huts by then. Biggest problem will be Shields: after the first two citizens reach 5, cit 3 and 4 only add 1 shield apiece. Could mine Plains to Forest for extra shield, but then I lose the Trade and OCC is a tech game. Lots of things I need early on: ships/Maps, Temple, Mysticism, govmt change, Colossus, Harbor, Library, Marketplace, trade routes, alliances, tribute, AI maps, NONE units (especially another ship!), and LOTS of gold to make up for few shields.

 

[ElephantU]

4000BC- 1st settler opens hut, gets Archer (NONE)
__2nd settler founds ATHENS (18,4) 2F/3Tr/3Sh, start Horse
research: Alphabet (5t=10b)
3950BC- 1st settler roading plains
3850BC- road done, start irrigating plains
3800BC-
ALPHABET; start Maps (11t=22b)
3750BC- 5g,0b,11t
__#1-Romans - E C
__#2-Zulu A - -
__#3-French A E C
__#4-Aztecs - P C
__#5-(cyan?)
__#6-Greek (me)
__#7-(purple?)
3650BC-7g,4b,11t
__Horse in ATHENS, start settler for Trireme
3600BC-8g,6b,11t
__irrig done, sleep Settler
3550BC- 9g,8b,11t
__PRB 4Sh=8g 1st row
3450BC- 4g,13b,8t
__ATHENS size 2
__PRB 2Sh=4g 2nd row
3350BC-
MAPS; start CodeLaws (11t=33b)
3300BC- 6g,0b,11t
__change settler to trireme
3250BC- 8g,3b,11t
__Trireme in ATHENS; start Temple
__Trireme with Horse explores north, takes settler aboard
3200BC- 10g,6b,11t
__land settler on MuskOx, move to SE tip
3150BC- 12g,9b,11t
__irrigate MuskOx
__#7-Sioux - - -
3000BC- 18g,18b,
__meet Icy Amer settler to south: no Spears, demand Maps, no=WAR
__kill the settler, red bar, hut is missing
__#5-Amer R - C

I let the Americans stew for a few turns and then made peace. I didnt want them to get Maps too early...

 

[ElephantU]

2950BC- 20g,21b,10t=30b
__pwr Moderate
__reembark Horse, move NE
2900BC- 22g,24b,11t
__pwr Weak; moving N
2850BC- 23g,27b,11t
__Temple in ATHENS; start COLOSSUS
2800BC- 24g,30b,11t
__pwr Pathetic
__meet Enraged Amer (1 Sp): CerBur for CeaseFire,Peace,Neutral
__gift Bronze to Recep,HorseBack (last) to Enthus, no map,tribute
__(DUH- I'm not giving him maps!)
CODELAWS; start Monarchy (16t=48b)
2750BC- 25g,0b,16t
__pwr Path, Amer Cord
2700BC- 26g,4b,10t=40b
__ATHENS size 3
__pwr Mod, Amer Enthus
__meet Enthus Amer (5 Sp): gift CodeLaws to Worship, NOMORE!
2650BC- 27g,8b,10t
__pwr Strong, Amer Enthus
__meet Enthus Amer (5 Sp): no tribute or alliance
__irrig done, settler moving E
2350BC- 33g,32b,10t
__pwr Mod, Amer Enthus (4 Sp)
2300BC- 34g,36b,12t=48b
__pwr Inadequate, Amer Enthus
__meet Enthus Amer (5 Sp): no tribute, Cordial
2250BC- 35g,40b,12t (RATS - missed OEDO!)
__pwr Pathetic
__load settler for return
2200BC- 36g,44b,12t
__pwr Path, Amer Enthus
__unload settler on SE spit to block Barb landings
MONARCHY; start Writing (15t/60b)
2150BC- 37g,0b,15t
__settler sleep; trireme exploring westward
2100BC- 38g,4b,15t
__pwr Inad, Amer Enthus
__REVOLT
2050BC- 38g,4b,10t@6b=60b
__MONARCHY! T30%,S70%, pwr Weak, Amer Enthus
__meet Enthus Amer (3 Sp): gift Monarchy to Worship, MAP!
__(Amer Wash=2, NY=1, 3 Warriors+garr)
2000BC- 39g,10b,10t
__pwr Path, Amer Enthus
__Colossus 100/200

 

[ElephantU]

(are my logs too detailed?)

1950BC- 40g,16b,10t,Path
1900BC- 41g,22b,10t,Path
Herodotus HAPPIEST: #6-Amer #7-Greek
1850BC- 42g,28b,10t,Path
1800BC- 43g,34b,10t,Path
1750BC- 44g,40b,10t,Path (full Food box)
pop exceeds 100,000
1700BC- 45g,46b,10t,Path
__ATHENS size 4,working MuskOx,change to Fish for trade
1650BC- 47g,53b,9t,Weak
WRITING; start Mysticism (11t@7b/72b)
1600BC- 49g,0b,11t,Weak
1550BC- 51g,7b,11t,Inadeq
__Hut (13,31): Chariot (NONE)
1500BC- 53g,14b,11t,Inad
__Hut (7,31): 50g
1450BC- 105g,21b,11t,Weak
1400BC- 107g,28b,11t,Weak
__Hut (11,37):50g
1350BC- 159g,35b,11t,Weak
1300BC- 161g,42b,11t,Weak
Amer (6 Sp) dem Seafaring!
1250BC- 163g,49b,11t,Weak
1200BC- 165g,56b,11t,Pathetic
French start Colossus!
COLOSSUS in ATHENS! (French abandon)
1150BC- 169g,66b,8t,Path
__start Library
__need 6 beakers, shift T60%S40% to complete tech
MYSTICISM; start Currency (wanted Lit) (9t@10b/84b)
1100BC- 177g,0b,9t,Path
__meet Enthus Amer (4 Sp): exch Write for SEAFAR(got Mas,Pot), Worsh, nomore
__research now 11t@10b/104b
__RB Library 148g
Library in ATHENS=15bkrs/turn!
1050BC- 32g,15b,7t,Path
__start Dip
1000BC- 35g,30b,7t,Path

Doin pretty slow this game... I usually have two or three early Wonders by now.

 

[ElephantU]

Aztecs start HangGdns!
975BC- 38g,45b,7t,Path
950BC- 41g,60b,7t,Path (full Food box)
925BC- 44g,75b,7t,Path
__ATHENS size 5,working MuskOx, chg to Ocean=19b,6t
Dip in ATHENS
900BC- 47g,94b,6t,Path
__only need 96b, chg T60%S40%=10b (just in case)
Amer start Pyramids!
CURRENCY; start Literacy (7t@19b/117b)
875BC- 56g,0b,7t,Path
Fren start Pyramids!
850BC- 59g,19b,7t,Path
__land Horse,load Dip
__meet Enthus Amer (5Sp): gift Curr to Worsh,MAP,nomore
__(Wash 4, NY & Boston 3, Phila 1; 3 Warr,Horse,Settler)
825BC- 62g,38b,7t,Path
800BC- 65g,57b,7t,Path
775BC- 68g,76b,7t,Path
750BC- 71g,95b,6t,Path (now only 108b)
__Dip estab embassy with Amer: Monar,79g,12tech,4cities,res Lit
__Amer have no other contacts
__need 13 bkrs,chg T50%S50%
Amer get Lit
LITERACY; start Philosophy (8t@19b/140b)
725BC- 78g,0b,8t,Path
__Amer res Math
700BC- 81g,19b,8t,Path
Amer have trireme!
675BC- 84g,38b,7t,Path (res now 120b)
Harbor in ATHENS
650BC- 86g,57b,7t,Path
625BC- 88g,76b,7t,Path
600BC- 90g,95b,7t,Path
Aztecs start Pyramids!
575BC- 92g,114b,7t,Path
__see French ship E of Amer, cant buy
PHILOSOPHY; freebie TRADE; start Republic (10t@19b/180b)
550BC- 94g,0b,10t,Path
__Hut (45,31): 100g
__RB Marketplace 112g
Marketplace in ATHENS
525BC- 85g,19b,10t,Path
__bringing ship back
__Barb ship appears SE of Athens
__start Dip...
Livy LARGEST: 1-Amer,7-Greek
French chg Pyr to GreatLib
Barb ship moves to SE beach, wakes Settler
Aztecs near Pyramids
500BC- 88g,38b,10t,Path (food box full)
__PRB Dip 24Sh=58g
__retreat settler into city
2 Barbs land (Arch+Ldr?)
Aztecs build Pyramids
Aztecs chg to HangGdns
Amer chg to GreatLib
Dip in Athens
475BC- 35g,57b,9t,Path
__ATHENS size 6,working MuskOx,chg to ocean for trade (22b)
__sell Harbor for 60g (+6F->+1F)
__kill Barb Archer, buy Barb Trireme for 82g
__start Caravan
__Supplies: Beads/Salt/Oil (yuch!)
450BC- 19g,79b,9t,Path
__PRB 1st row 4Sh=8g
425BC- 17g,101b,9t,Path
__PRB 2nd row 4Sh=8g
__meet Amer (6Sp): gift Trade to Worsh,no tribute,nomore
Romans start HangGdns
400BC- 15g,123b,9t,Path
__meet Amer (6Sp): gift Philos to Worsh,no alliance,nomore
375BC- 21g,145b,9t,Path
Amer dev Math
350BC- 27g,167b,9t,Path
__meet Neut Fren (5Sp): exch Tra for MASONRY (no oth);Peace;
__gift Sea, Mys to Worship, map
__Fr have 7 cities,Paris sz 5 (def Warrior?),Orleans sz 4
__3 settlers,6 Phal,5 Warr
__see Aztec city to West of France
325BC- 33g,189b,9t,Path (res now 195b)
__need 6 bkrs,chg T70%S30%
Beads caravan
REPUBLIC; start Constr (10t@22b/210b)
300BC- 52g,0b,10t,Path
__meet Cord Fren (5Sp): gift Rep to Worsh, nomore
__meet Enthu Amer (6Sp): exch Rep for MATH,no trib,nomore
__res now 11t/225b
275BC- 58g,22b,11t,Path
Amer gov othro
250BC- 64g,44b,11t,Path
__meet Icy Aztec (4Sp): demand 50g,no=WAR,Enraged
Amer gov Republic, Wash,NY disorder
225BC- 70g,66b,11t,Path
__meet Enraged Aztec: still want 50g
__PRB 2nd row 2Sh=4g
200BC- 72g,88b,11t,Path
175BC- 78g,110b,11t,Path
150BC- 84g,132b,11t,Path
__meet Enr Aztec (4Sp): 50g to CF,Neut,gift Lit,Rep to Worsh,map
__Amer researching Univ!
French near GreatLib!
125BC- 40g,154b,11t,Path
__meet Enthus Aztec (4Sp): Philos for CONSTR,Peace,no tribute
__(Aztec also had Pot)
French near GreatLib?
Salt caravan
start Astronomy (12t/256b)
100BC- 46g,176b,12t,Path
__start another Dip
Paris builds GreatLibrary! Amer abandon
Amer dev University!
75BC- 52g,198b,12t,Path
__meet Enthus Amer (5Sp): exch Constr for UNIVERSITY,map
__Amer got ship exploring Aztec,Catapult,3 settlers
__research now 14t/306b
__PRB 1st row 4Sh=8g
Amer start HangGdns
50BC- 50g,220b,14t,Path
__PRB 2nd row 4Sh=8g
Romans near HangGdns
25BC- 48g,242b,13t,Path (tech 272b)
Rome builds HangGdns!
Aztecs chg to MarcoPolo; Amer chg to GreatWall
Dip in Athens
1AD- 54g,264b,13t,Path
__meet Cord Fren (6Sp): gift HorseBack to Enthus
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STRATEGIC REVIEW:
Athens size 6,got COLOSSUS,Temple,Marketplace,Library
1 surplus Food (sold Harbor),21 Trade (6/9gold,22beakers),6 Shields
got 19 techs, 5 white, none recently
supporting 1 Horse, 2 Triremes
Beads,Salt caravans out, making Oil (yuck)
found Americans,French,Aztecs
looks like going to lose MarcoPolo
where are Romans=KeyCiv?
need mega caravans, gold, improvements...
do that University ASAP!
use 2nd Trireme to deliver 2nd caravan, then disband
too few shields...
need Copernicus,Shakes,Newton
not getting any tribute or alliances!
priority: deliver 2 caravans,build Copernicus, then Univ
look to buy foreign ship somewhere...
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[ElephantU]

My beginning commodity supplies are Beads, Salt, and Oil. Anyone else doing OCC have better? Over on Apolyton.Net they were looking at how to force changes to commodity supplies, so I'll take a look at that too.

Second question: I'm not getting ANY alliances or tribute. Any ideas on how to make that happen? My power rating is "Pathetic", which does not seem to be helping, but I'm doing OCC. I've made contact with three other civs using military units, but even when I put a unit ashore on their continent and try to ask for something they refuse. Playing MultiCity I've noticed that they refuse tribute until I build a city on their continent, but that's not an option here. Ideas?

 

[Smash]

You must gift techs.If using MGE,then wait until you have 2-4 to give.Get them to worshipful first,then ask for alliance,then ask for gifts.

I,also,am playing it OCC.Going well.Trying Shake's before Cope's.Just didn't seem good to stay at size 12 for so long.
One bad thing is the Zulus were killed off early by the French.This will hurt research.Perhaps the French felt guilty as they have given ALOT of gold gifts.

Played till 1AD and I have 29 techs and 2 wonders.City is celebrating to size 21 and trying to rush caravans.I have the tech for the 2 science wonders.Gold is gonna be the problem.I will have to send off 2 commodity caravans in the middle of wonder caravan rushing to finance the operation.Gotta wait for my boat to return though.

4000-hut>chariot(non)
found Athens
3750-Alphabet
3450-size 2-settler joins city=size 3
3300-Map Making
3200-trireme
3100-warrior
3000-contact Americans-peace-gift all-share maps
2900-Code of Laws
2550-Zulus destroyed by French-bad news for OCC
2400-Monarchy-1 turn late
contact Romans-trade for Masonry-gift all-share maps-alliance
2300-contact Sioux-peace-trade for Currency-share maps
Revolution
2250-Govt-Monarchy
2200-hut>Trade
1950-hut>archer(non)
1850-alliance with Americans-receive Pottery
Romans gift 50
1800-hut>Construction
1650-hut>50 gold
Romans gift 25
1500-Collosus
1450-We Love the King Days
1350-Writing
Americans gift 25
1300-hut>Mathematics
Contact French-gift all-allaince-share maps-recieve 150
1250-silver caravan
cancel alliance with Romans
1200-beads caravan
1150-size 5-we love cancelled
1050-we love the king restarted
trade Americans for Seafaring-receive 50
975-beads arrive in Washington 202 bonus
950-Literacy
market
silver to Boston(demanded)201 bonus
925-library
900-Mysticism
875-oil caravan
800-oil to Washington 116 bonus
775-harbor
725-The Republic-instant revolution-govt-Republic-"we love" carries over size 5
temple
American gift 25
French gift 250!
700-salt caravan
650-colliseum
Americans gift 25
French 100..I luv these guys
625-slat to Washington 172 bonus
600-Philosophy>Astronomy
aquaduct
trade Sioux for The Wheel
share maps with all contacted(4)
525-end "we love" size 12
French gift 100..where are they getting it from?
475-Medicine
450-gold caravan
you guessed it-another 100 from France
400-trade Americans for Engineering-receive 25
275-Sanitation
French gift Poly-had to take it sooner or later if I want more gold
Americans 50
250-French gift 150.this is some kind of early record for me from 1 civ
225-hut>100 gold
200-sell colliseum-lux>0
175-Shake's
sell temple
hut>University
contact Aztecs-gfit much-peace-share maps
Americans gift 100
150-"we love" size 12
125-sewer system
100-Banking
75-hut>Gravity
gold to Tenochtitlan 450 bonus
50-Bank
25-Economics
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AD1-French gift 100

 

[Smash]

Next installment

Going along quite well.Still not sure whether to get Refrigeration or not.It will get a few more citizens for scientists but will take resources and time.I think I will try to forego engineers in this game.57 techs so far.Still getting alot of gifts from the French.Just like real life

20-hut>nomad-a mile away
60-size 21
French gift 100
100-Invention
end "we love" size 23
French gift 50
trade Americans for Navigation
200-Cope's Observ
Democracy
revolt(at end of turn)
Tribute 100 from Romans
French gift Monotheism
trade Aztecs for Physics
220Govt-Democracy
salt caravan
hut>50 gold
260-beads caravan
280-Chemistry
300-salt arrives in New York(demanded)364 bonus
320-Warrior Code
build university
340-copper caravan
360-Iron Working
French gift 200
400-Magnetism
beads to Washington 168 bonus
440-Gunpowder
460-Americans gift 50
480-Steam Engine
copper arrives in New York(demanded)364 bonus
500-French gift 150
Americans 25
520-Sir Isaac's
Explosives
560-Bridge Building
stock exchange
600-Metallurgy
trade Americans for Feudalism-recieve 50
trade French for Railroad
640-Electricity
680-Industrialization
720-The Corporation
Americans gift 50
760-Refining
Americans gift 50
French 100
780-Americans-50
French-50
800-Steel
820-Darwin's>Combustion>Automobile
840-Mass Production
French gift 200
Americans 50
860-superhighways
880-Conscription
900-French gift 100
Americans 50
920-Electronics
960-Atomic Theory
mass transit(can't afford pollution.Gonna try and go without engineers)
980-French gift 100
Americans 50
1000-Chivalry
French gift 50
Americans 50

 

[cliff]

To the Stars

Final part of my log

1020 Espionage discovered
1020 J.S. Bach's Cathedral built in Herakleia
1040 Miniaturization discovered
1060 Automobile discovered, barb leader 150g
1080 Mass Production discovered
1080 Roman city of Antium subverted
1100 Genetic Engineering discovered
1100 Aztec city of Teotihuacan subverted
1120 Computers discovered
1120 Herakleia discovers Cure for Cancer
1140 Mobile Warfare discovered
1160 Nuclear Fission discovered
1180 Nuclear Power discovered
1200 Robotics discovered
1200 Sneak attack by French forces (Warrior attacks Cavalry!)
1200 Paris (with Pyramids) captured, Peace with French
1220 Refrigeration discovered
1220 Avignon, Tours and Neapolis subverted
1240 The Laser discovered
1240 Bapedi and Orleans subverted
1260 Flight discovered
1260 Chartres and Isandhlwana subverted
1280 Slim Buttes (Sioux) builds Darwin's Voyage
1280 Radio discovered
1280 Besancon subverted, French civilization destroyed
1300 Advanced Flight discovered, traded for Amphibious Warfare with Sioux
1320 Rocketry discovered, barb leader 150g
1340 Space Flight discovered
1360 Plastics discovered
1380 Combined Arms discovered, Romans declare war
1400 Superconductor discovered
1400 Slim Buttes subverted
1420 Fusion Power discovered
1420 Spaceship launched, estimated arrival 1435AD

1420 Rome captured
1421 Rheims builds Hoover Dam
1421 Fundamentalism discovered
1421 Veii bribed, Roman civilization destroyed
1422 Aztecs and Zulus declare war, Ulundi bribed
1423 Aztecs steal Plastics
1423 Stealth discovered
1423 Tenochtitlan captured, Three Forks destroyed
1424 Zulus steal Plastics, Aztecs steal Space Flight
1424 Zimbabwe and Tlateloco captured
1425 Recycling discovered
1425 Intombe bribed, Zulu civilization destroyed
1425 Tlaxcala bribed, Aztec civilization destroyed
1425 Sioux declare war
1425 Little Bighorn, Wounded Knee and Cedar Creek captured
1426 Environmentalism discovered
1426 Peace with Sioux (they only have one size 1 city left)
1427 Americans steal Plastics, I cancel alliance
1427 Americans steal Space Flight, I declare war!
1427 Future tech discovered
1427 Washington, Philadelphia abd Boston captured
1428 Rheims builds Eiffel Tower
1428 New York bribed, American civilization destroyed
1429 Cunaxa builds Oracle
1429 Guerilla Warfare discovered
1430 Sioux steal Fusion Power
1431 Sun Tzu's and Adam Smith's built
1432 Barbarians capture Veii
1433 Barbarian Leader killed with a Stealth Fighter!
1434 United Nations, Manhattan Project, Women's Suffrage and SETI Program built
1435 Spaceship reaches Alpha Centauri

 

[ElephantU]

I've gotten Americans, French, and Aztecs to Worshipful many times. No dice on alliances. Once they had contact with each other (I was first to contact each, at least according to their Intel screen) they each demand that I declare war on another. Should I to get the alliance?

No dice on "tribute" requests either - despite being "Pathetic" for most of BC. Mucho frustrado. And the caravans look like they are not repeaters.

 

[Boli]

OK, 1860ish and I still haven't industrialised. On the surface that sounds bad, but I have just taken out my biggest technological threat (well down to one city)... the Aztecs, the Zulus are down to two cities, the roman's are fighting the barabarians, (I think one of their cities has been held for a thousand years or more). and the soiux are behind a "mountain range"... I have 150 turns or so and the entire world at my disposal ... send out the engineers .

A "Brief" (undated log)

The starting point was not bad at all. The worst part was waiting for my boat to be built and after that, it was plain sailing (sorry about the pun).
I had been reading the hut probability table (posted somewhere) and found it was nearly a 50/50 chance to get an advanced tribe on a different continent if there isn't another city there; so I shoved my horsy into my boat along with my settler. After I settled the small island to the south I hut popped every coastal hut I could reach, (out of the first three huts two were advanced tribes and the other an archer ).

My newly acquired "continent" with two cities on was occupied though… but after "tense" negotiations I liberated the Americans of all their techs and their cites . After I explored "America" I took a risk and headed west over the open sea, luckily I found the main continent before I could sink (I hated doing that but you have to take a risk to get anywhere in this game). Zulus this time, who fell for my archer on a hill outside your city routine, (which of course they attacked), giving me two of their cities in return.

The other side of the Zulu continent was found and a hut popping expedition was launched (I'd didn't know it was part of the same continent till later), but luck held out and two cities were found; defences though had to be swiftly bought and marketplaces sold as barbarians were afoot (a few had horses as well). And after a near loss I had a foothold.

The next thousand years or so was a constant plague of rebellion and fending off attacks. Barbarian mainly… I haven’t hut popped a horde yet, but the roaming ones sure make up for it.

Now came the renaissance, almost at one I had Mikes chapel, Leonardo’s workshop and Adam’s trading centre… That sure helped my economy and rebellion, (I think I was going to collapse inwards), a bit late 1750s or so... but I had a chance... now I started getting aggressive again.

I send an expeditionary force of diplomats and 80% tax to the Aztecs and bought nearly all of their empire out in ten turns or so, (only their capital remains) and the Zulus where taken out the old fashioned way. And just for the hell of it I expanded my northern border against the Sioux with a few well-placed bribes. (Amazing what you can do with 700gold/turn and cities that are 1,200 / 2,400 to buy out)

I have just gone scientific again (1/2turns), and with the advent of railroad, and explosives my terraforming will double. A late finish, but a fully rewarding one. Just a shame I only had time to get about five trade routes the entire time, I’ll have to sort that out.

 

[Old n Slow]

GOTM 23 -- Mt first OCC Attempt

-4000 -- took the Risk -- Hut = Archer
-4000 -- found Athens (18,4,3), start Alpha
(Settler roads then irrigates the plains)
-3800 -- Discover alpha (no “1” techs; opt for Map)
-3650 -- Plains = irrigated
-3450 -- Just noticed that Athens is size two (probably been that way for a few turns judging by the food box) -- Settler joins to make size three. (Plays around and realizes the We Love the Despot Day has such a small value that we don’t opt for it. )
-3400 -- Discover Map, choose CL (no “2” techs…but CL is a “2” -- must be the “joker” tech -- it is the first listed) Buy up to 20 shields for a boat. Working the two whales & the fish. 33 beakers required for next advance.
-3250 -- Boat complete, carries a horse (south -- second move around island shows land)
-3200 -- Athens blows up (DOH!) Move the sleepy Archer inside to take care of business.
-3050 -- Move the boat around, drop off the horse; switch the third citizen from the fish to the ox for a couple of turns.
-2950 -- Discover CL (no “0” techs; opt for Monarchy) -- 48 beakers required for next advance
-2900 -- See the Americans; negotiations don’t go anywhere near well. WAR!
They end up killing a horse, but we soon have two horses (one a Vet ) surrounding Washington. Twice warriors pop out attacking a fortified horse (and failing) leaving an empty city -- tempting, but it is size two. Oh well, maybe some other time. Eventually I tire of this and my vet horse leaves the area for more search (the other horse dies finally)
-2400 -- Athens completes temple (Can you tell that my heart wasn’t in war anyway?)
-2350 -- Discover Monarchy -- on to Write (Cur is the joker tech -- but Trade would not be available right afterwards, so we’ll grab this important one now.)
-2300 -- Forgot to revolt (forget again 4 turns later doh #2 ); move boat & horse
-2000 -- Athens is size 4 with 2 pha & a None Archer at home; a boat & horse at sea. Start Col
-1900 -- Revolt (finally)
-1850 -- Monarchy
-1750 -- Discover Write -- on to Currency
-1700 -- (Americans start Pyr)
-1450 -- Hut = Warrior Code (Rats -- more money would have been nice; a none searcher would also have been nice)
-1350 -- Hut = 50g. This was a real risk -- a second tech here would have delayed Trade significantly.
-1150 -- Discover Currency -- opt for Trade (other choices were Feud, IW,Lit, Poly, & Wheel)
-1050 -- Col is half built
-1000 -- Just glanced up -- Athens is size 5, halfway to size 6. move ox citizen to wizard to beef up the science. (French start GL, Az starts Pyr.) While we’re looking around the top five cities are: Athens, Washington, Teno, Zim & Little B. We are a moderate power.
-775 -- Discover Trade -- opt for Lit (this is a no “2” round so next time will be a no “0” round. Lit is a “0” tech (Myst is a “1” tech) if we did Myst first, then Lit would not be available & Phil have to wait for another tech round.) 126 beakers to next advance, with wizard, we get 10 beakers per round => 13 rounds to next advance. We supply Beads, Silver and Oil (Oil?) Checking around, Rome (2), Paris(2) and Boston(1) want beads; nobody wants Silver or Oil yet. most popular produces are Dye (8 demanders) and Hides (7 demanders)

Drop off our horse at the south pole. Since this a supported unit, the plan is to search, find a None unit & disband, leaving the None unit to carry on.
-750 (Rome starts Col)
-725 -- Americans build the Pyramids in Washington (I remember when that city was begging to fall)
-650 -- (?! now only 12 rounds to next advance -- I’ll have to check my power ratings more frequently -- but hey we’re so swift we forgot to revolt a couple of times…)
-550 -- Athens builds Colossus (maybe the light will dawn where it counts ). Romans switch to Lighthouse (which I’d like, but I’d rather have Marco’s -- my little boat is roaming rather well.) Switch the wizard to a sea space -- each way is the same 13 (but the sea gives a food, & the wiz doesn't) beakers per turn -- the ox gives a lot of food but only one more shield.
-525 (America starts GL)
-500 -- Discover Lit -- on to Myst.
-450 -- Teo builds HG. We make a dip. (We’re 6th largest, America is #2)
-425 (French abandon GL; they will restart and re-abandon this two more times .)
-375 -- build a Beads Camel
-350 -- Athens is size 6 -- put the extra citizen into the water (now 15 beakers per turn.)
-275 -- Amerks attack my laden boat -- but it survives!
-250 -- Discover Myst -- on to Phil (hope, hope, hope) 154 beakers to next advance, We’re researching at a rate of 15 beakers/turn.
-225 -- We love the king! (now at 17 beakers/t)
-200 -- Beads (d) to Boston = 202g. Embassy with America -- they have three techs & we’d like all of them sooner rather than later (Mas, Pot & Rep).
-175 -- Discover Philosophy =>Discover Medicine, on to Republic; 208 beakers to next advance, 22b/t rate.
-150 (Veii builds the Lighthouse) limping boat (hey but he’s a vet) sleeps to heal
-25 (America is now a Republic)
1 AD we pay 50G for a ceasefire with America, swap Trade, Phil & WC for Rep, Pott & Mas. Switch our research to Const. America starts Marco’s. Cordial, but the conversation ends.

 

[ElephantU]

Update on my alliance and trade situation: After about a thousand years of begging I finally got an alliance with the French, who are Supreme. I've gotten a few handouts but not much out of it; its just nice to have. Once I grew Athens to size 23 I got a new commodity: Gold. I'm delivering the third Gold caravan as far away as I can now. The money situation improved once the city maxed out and the Improvements were all built: Harbor, Library, University, Marketplace, Bank, StockExchange. I've got Colossus,Shakespeares,KingRichards,Copernicus, and a lock on Newtons. I'm doing around 4 turns per tech with only 50% Science rate. Once I get Newtons and Democracy I'm going to crank it up for all its worth, turn that MuskOx into Desert or Plains for a few more trade, and tech-bomb every other civ.

My current investigation is into how far I can go with the techs while delaying Industrialization so as to keep KingRich around. I'm at 26 shields/turn now, but I'll drop to 7 when I lose it. Factory, PowerPlant, and Manufacturing dont help much when you have so few to start with! If I transform all the terrain around (Buffalo and two hills?) I can get around 12 Shields from the three land tiles plus 4 from the ocean tiles until I get an Offshore Platform. The problem is I lose some trade. What I'm wondering now is if it is worth it to make all that effort to transform land, or should I just maximize the trade for science and gold and buy everything?

Game log to follow.